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SniperSB23 11-05-2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
what does that have to do with anything?

If you were living in Georgia in 1860 you would have hated the guy.

timmgirvan 11-05-2008 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Oh boy.




I've been trying to tell you Dimmy. Before you hit "send reply" look at what you wrote. For your sake.

I do not intend on conversing with you....I don't need your input into any area of my life. Feel free to bother others.....sorry DTers!

timmgirvan 11-05-2008 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
If you were living in Georgia in 1860 you would have hated the guy.

I lived in California for 57 yrs

Mortimer 11-05-2008 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
:baby:

Say what you want about me...but if you diss my cat I'll have to kick your a$$.


next I suppose you will start dissing wolves or hermathrodites



a$$.holey


What did you do with Arletta?? :mad:

Scav 11-05-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I do not intend on conversing with you....I don't need your input into any area of my life. Feel free to bother others.....sorry DTers!

You are not understanding the point he is trying to make.

timmgirvan 11-05-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You are not understanding the point he is trying to make.

what point? maybe you can translate

philcski 11-05-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
ROR!!!! As usual, point missed lol





:zz: :wf lol

He's a sharp one. Note his response to my post in the other thread.

ArlJim78 11-05-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
HELLS no. I'm a New Yorker through and through but the red tape in this state has really got me hot and bothered lately. I didn't even get to vote because of it. http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=28

I understand your discounting of Huckabee. He was too right for even the most conservative Republicans. Where does Obama fall down from a policy perspective for you? Don't tell me taxes... because I'm 100% sure you don't make enough money to have it hurt you (as do 98% of the population).

So you know, for full disclosure, I was a Hillary supporter but I would have voted for Obama (if given the chance)- the decision being made when Palin was selected as McCain's VP (which HAD to be taken into account given his age and health). McCain on a standalone basis, while I disagree with his anti-gambling policies and military stance, he'd have been a fine leader of this great country. If it was Edwards vs. McCain, McCain would have gotten my vote. Financially, he'd have made more sense for me. But Obama really reminds me of what I've read about Lincoln. Please do your best to stand behind him and not take a radical right stance against that the world is over.

my issue with Huckabee was not that he was too far right, its that he is too religious. I don't want a preacher/president quoting scriptures in his speeches and doing Gods work. I can take him as talk show host, not as pres.

I don't have the strength now to go into again everything that I don't like about Obama's policies. I'll just say I would prefer to vote for someone with more substance under their belt than he has. As Commander-in-chief of the US armed forces he becomes the most powerful man in the world. I see nothing on his resume that makes me think he has what it takes to fulfill that role.

to address your example about taxes, I oppose the whole idea of using the tax code to make things more fair, to redistribute the wealth, etc, even if it would benefit my immediate situation. I'm not looking for a hand-out or a boost from government. I'm not looking to soak the rich, to gain in status by simply electing people that are going to enact policies that benefit my own situation. I believe more that governments role is to provide equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

funny that you should mention that you didn't want to support McCain based on his military stance, as he was the overwhelming winner of the military voters, and because one of the reasons that the Iraq war has faded so far as an issue that affected voters, is exactly because of McCains military stance. He took an unpopular position and it proved to be the correct one. Since Obama has been all over the map about what to do it doesn't instill confidence that he will suddenly figure it out and get it right the next time there is a tough decision to make, which surely is just around the corner.

i find it strange that so many people voted for Obama based on what they think he will become, what he could be. The comparison to Lincoln doesn't work at all for me.

dalakhani 11-05-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
my issue with Huckabee was not that he was too far right, its that he is too religious. I don't want a preacher/president quoting scriptures in his speeches and doing Gods work. I can take him as talk show host, not as pres.

I don't have the strength now to go into again everything that I don't like about Obama's policies. I'll just say I would prefer to vote for someone with more substance under their belt than he has. As Commander-in-chief of the US armed forces he becomes the most powerful man in the world. I see nothing on his resume that makes me think he has what it takes to fulfill that role.

to address your example about taxes, I oppose the whole idea of using the tax code to make things more fair, to redistribute the wealth, etc, even if it would benefit my immediate situation. I'm not looking for a hand-out or a boost from government. I'm not looking to soak the rich, to gain in status by simply electing people that are going to enact policies that benefit my own situation. I believe more that governments role is to provide equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

funny that you should mention that you didn't want to support McCain based on his military stance, as he was the overwhelming winner of the military voters, and because one of the reasons that the Iraq war has faded so far as an issue that affected voters, is exactly because of McCains military stance. He took an unpopular position and it proved to be the correct one. Since Obama has been all over the map about what to do it doesn't instill confidence that he will suddenly figure it out and get it right the next time there is a tough decision to make, which surely is just around the corner.

i find it strange that so many people voted for Obama based on what they think he will become, what he could be. The comparison to Lincoln doesn't work at all for me.

:rolleyes:

dalakhani 11-05-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
:baby:

Say what you want about me...but if you diss my cat I'll have to kick your a$$.


next I suppose you will start dissing wolves or hermathrodites



a$$.holey


Geeker-

You seem like a pretty good guy despite your twisted politics. Only one thing.

Whenever i see a grown man obsess over his cat...kind of like you do...i think one thing.

Gay.

Danzig 11-05-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

i think mccain/just about anyone could have won it.
palin was too much like bush, really. the thought of her being president if mccain was to pass in office was just too much for many to imagine happening, let alone have to deal with in reality. that's the main reason he lost. i told my husband months ago that generally the vp slot doesn't matter, but that this time it would matter quite a bit. and mccain absolutely blew it.

ArlJim78 11-05-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

Danzig 11-05-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Geeker-

You seem like a pretty good guy despite your twisted politics. Only one thing.

Whenever i see a grown man obsess over his cat...kind of like you do...i think one thing.

Gay.

what, a guy likes his p**** and you think he's gay??

dalakhani 11-05-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
what point? maybe you can translate

Hi Timmi-

I think the point that the other poster made was that many of lincolns ideas were pretty liberal for the times and you don't seem to agree with progressive ideas.

Now please carry on.

dalakhani 11-05-2008 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
what, a guy likes his p**** and you think he's gay??

:D

You know what im talking about Z.

Danzig 11-05-2008 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
:D

You know what im talking about Z.


lol

yeah...

but i couldn't resist.

philcski 11-05-2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
my issue with Huckabee was not that he was too far right, its that he is too religious. I don't want a preacher/president quoting scriptures in his speeches and doing Gods work. I can take him as talk show host, not as pres.

I don't have the strength now to go into again everything that I don't like about Obama's policies. I'll just say I would prefer to vote for someone with more substance under their belt than he has. As Commander-in-chief of the US armed forces he becomes the most powerful man in the world. I see nothing on his resume that makes me think he has what it takes to fulfill that role.

to address your example about taxes, I oppose the whole idea of using the tax code to make things more fair, to redistribute the wealth, etc, even if it would benefit my immediate situation. I'm not looking for a hand-out or a boost from government. I'm not looking to soak the rich, to gain in status by simply electing people that are going to enact policies that benefit my own situation. I believe more that governments role is to provide equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.
funny that you should mention that you didn't want to support McCain based on his military stance, as he was the overwhelming winner of the military voters, and because one of the reasons that the Iraq war has faded so far as an issue that affected voters, is exactly because of McCains military stance. He took an unpopular position and it proved to be the correct one. Since Obama has been all over the map about what to do it doesn't instill confidence that he will suddenly figure it out and get it right the next time there is a tough decision to make, which surely is just around the corner.

i find it strange that so many people voted for Obama based on what they think he will become, what he could be. The comparison to Lincoln doesn't work at all for me.

Yes... I meant too religious/conservative with respect to Huckabee. Separation of church and state... although America has seemed to have forgotten that policy.

Graduated tax rates ARE what put people on equal opportunity- Obama isn't passing on money from the rich to the poor, like so many people make it sound like. You still have to EARN to benefit, it isn't a HANDOUT (Bush actually tried a handout this year, remember? It didn't work, and I thought it was a good idea at the time.) It's simple economics. The value of $1 to someone making $40k is much higher than someone making $400k. To put it in racing parlance, the reason takeout is higher on trifectas than win bets because the 'bite' of an incremental dollar in tax is lessened.

RE: military... my opinion is we spend too much money on defense in this country. We are spending $12.3 BILLION a month in Iraq/Afghanistan right now. No offense to those that have honorably served our country in legitimate wartime, like World War II or Korea or even Vietnam, but in nonviolent times, the military is a good place for kids to go out of high school who aren't (a) bright/motivated enough for college or (b) skilled enough at a trade. why not spend those same dollars on alternative schools which could mold kids into potentially lucrative careers? Obama has flip flopped a lot on this, as have many people and politicians, I agree. It's definitely something I'm watching closely for when he's up for re-election in 4 years.

dalakhani 11-05-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

why humiliate yourself further with these lame excuses? You had this election all wrong. It wasnt just a victory...it was an utter beat down. A thrashing. A stomping of epic proportions.

If it had been close, i could buy some of this crap but it wasnt even close.


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