Hey dont knock the Queens County, didnt Federal Funds win that race.:D

Dance Smartly not only beat the boys in her undefeated season but she also won the triple crown, granted it was in Canada.

Probably the best horse she beat that year was Fly So Free who is still probably better than anything Zenyatta faced this year. If she couldn't win HOY that year where Black Tie Affair was the top Hdcp horse then I would have to think the precedent has been set that a filly/mare shouldn't unless by default as Azeri did.

He won the Suburban Also

As was pointed out, no she wasn't beating up on them all year. She beat them once and ran a couple of other decent races against them but make no mistake about it.....if Precisionist or Turkoman win the Classic, they win HOY. Lady's Secret won it because Skywalker won the Classic.

I think winning the Whitney by 5 is beating up the the boys.

Apparently, you forgot that the statement you made was beating up on them ALL YEAR. Beating up on them in one race is not beating up on them all year. At least I don't think so. I'm no expert though so I could be wrong.

She was, but that alone is a KNOCK OUT:zz:

Ok. If beating up on them all year is winning one race and losing the rest, I stand corrected. And I'd like to officially change my selection for 3yo champion to Da Tara since, according to this way of thinking, he beat up on the 3yo division all year.

I agree Da Tara for 3yo champ and HOY!!! Cuz he went 10 for 15 this year and won 8 grade 1s just like the Iron Lady!

I agree. So if Zenaytta isn't HOY, and Curlin isn't HOY, there is only one other logical choice. And that award goes to _____ ____________ :)

I didn't say it.

Lets just go back to your original post where you lumped Lady's Secret in with Azeri who never stepped out of her division. Just calling the comparison to her and the latter 2 ludicris. She actually stepped out of her division and showed up every time.
All Zenyatta had to do was run third in the classic and shes HOY.

False statement

If you bothered to read what I said, it was that Lady's Secret, like Azeri, only got HOY because no older male router on dirt stepped up and cemented the award. In no way did I compare the two as horses or compare the seasons they had. The same will be true of Zenyatta if she wins it this year. If Curlin had won the BC Classic, there would be no discussion. But because he didn't, the door is opened for her to win it. This is exactly how Lady's Secret won.

During the year she won HOY, she didn't. It was in 2004 once she was transferred to Lukas that she stepped out.

I can say it pretty confidently actually, go watch the 92' santa anita handicap or the 93' woodward i believe.

I dont think it "technacially" counts. Just like Ravens Pass wins in Europe would not count to any type of eclipse awards.

But Lady's Secret was Dominating her Division and beating the older males on the dirt. She won one of the most prestigious races for older males and placed in 3 others. She won it because she did both things not only because no males stepped up. Azeri may have won it that way but not Lady.

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This is so untrue. Do you think Arazi was named one of the three finalists for American HOY in 1991 off of ONLY his BC Juvenile win? Do you think that all of the other European horses that have come over and won a BC race and earned an Eclipse won them only because of their BC wins? And please don't avoid answering this question for me but how do you think Singspiel won his award? I'd love to hear the answer to this. Singspiel's two grade one wins on the year were the Canadian International and the Japan Cup. He never won a race here in the U.S. He lost the BC Turf to Pilsudski but he still won the Eclipse. How do you think he won it if foreign results don't count towards the awards?

Yes, Arazi won because of the dominating performance over a good Bertrando, not because he won some turf event in Europe.

I dont think Singspeil should have won it with that record, it must have been a very very weak year. Who was the runner up?

If Foreign results counted then Sahkee should have been horse of the year over Tiznow at Belmont, Tiznow was very ordinary that year.

If Foreign results counted Ridgewood Pearl should have been champion turf horse instead of Northern Spur. I could go on an on.