Thanks for putting it better than I ever could.

I even said I was impressed by him today and still get chewed out.

I think the Doc was right in this case. Crowd was much higher i hear.

If Big Brown loses this race, this thread would be 20 pages long with people calling him a fraud.

A little gloating by his biggest fans surely shouldnt ruffle any feathers.

His detractors should be very excited that he won. Price goes down to less than 2-1 now in the classic.

BB looked really good. Did they put him back on steroids? not that there is anything wrong with that

The attendance was 17,047. A week earlier, for a card that did not include Big Brown, Monmouth drew 2,587.

Big Brown wasn't the reason the attendance swelled.

There was a rumor that Frankel was actually going to run one of his horses not named Ginger Punch that he had entered in a race. That drew out over 17k unbelieving New Yorkers and New Joisians.

Got to agree as BB was game in the stretch and the way they were coming back to him in the turn made me think he was toast. Was a good ride by KD who obviously let BB do what he wanted.

Also agree that he'll be bet stronger in the BC which is a good thing.

Spyder

and i said he reminded me of his old self in ky and fl, but it wasn't good enough either.

you're right, it doesn't. but you're taking a very defensive posture, when everyone here recognizes that he is the best 3 yo colt this year-but you seem to take umbrage that no one is rah rahing him as much as you.

true pants. i guess i didn't realize he was anything other than a big brown fan since it's only big brown threads he gets involved in.

I wouldn't be calling him a fraud. Losing the race wouldn't make him a fraud in the eyes of people who know horses, talent, etc. That's similar to Dutrow saying "we never got beat by a filly and we never got beat on turf" and the thinking along those lines. Nonsense.

I think most people understand there is a big different between being a fan of a horse (minimal, fanatical, doesn't matter) and having an opinion as to how "good" or "great" a horse is vis a vis his career, his performance(s), a particular crop, etc.

People who say this horse is a fraud are letting their personal bias supercede their ability to judge ability. Perhaps a few of those people don't have that ability. People who say this is one of the greatest horses of all time are guilty of the same thing in my mind. And perhaps a few of them have no clue either.

Eric

I wasn't around the previous Saturday -- what was the weather like?

Monmouth only drew 2500 on a Saturday?

Eric

MISERABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rained all day.

But, it still was an excellent crowd for a September Saturday at Monmouth, where they normally draw about 4,000.

Got it. I haven't really paid attention to the figures, but for that facility, location, etc. and when I've been there -- I would have said they drew 10k on a Saturday. Tough go in this industry.

3 more years of subsidy, see that happens around NJ, and then the VLT discussion again.

Eric