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The Bid 09-03-2008 11:51 AM

The best part of this 4 page thead is someone saying "handshake deal" and "horseracing" in the same sentence.

Round Pen 09-03-2008 12:27 PM

Personally Why not take the 2009 BC away from SA (it doesn't need to be there 2 years in a row) Give it to Belmont and have the 2010 at Churchill. TO me that makes a little sense But there doesn't seem to be alot of common sense used these days.

SentToStud 09-03-2008 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
You said ALL the people that sit on all these boards... ALL... As if there were a myriad.. When in fact there is a total of 4 overlapping among the 18 NYRA Trustees, 14 BCL Directors, 48 BCL Member/Trustees and 12 CDI Directors.

What contributions to BCL business do the 48 Member/Trustees actually have do you suppose? Other than that they get together at an annual meeting. What does Hamilton, Phipps and Santulli (NYRA) being among those 48 BCL Member/Trustees and Humphrey (CDI) being among the 14 BCL Directors have to do with what transpired? What? You drop an inference like there was a coup or kabal... Say what you are hinting at already as opposed to making vieled inferences.

I didn't write that. Not close. If you read what I wrote, you'd have saved yourself some time as I mentioned there were four. Not ALL.

There's no thinly veiled inference. Only the obvious one I mentioned which is that there are NYRA, NON-PROFIT NYRA, directors that have FOR-PROFIT interests that could be in conflict.

You don't see that? Fine. You can't perceive that? Fine. Are you stupid, inane or naive for thinking that way? Who knows.

Suppose you run a non-profit entity. You need a board. You can choose from a wide range of qualified people. But you choose to fill some seats with members who, among them, have FOR-PROFIT interests with, oh yeah, one of your two biggest competitors.

And you call me stupid?

dalakhani 09-03-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen
Personally Why not take the 2009 BC away from SA (it doesn't need to be there 2 years in a row) Give it to Belmont and have the 2010 at Churchill. TO me that makes a little sense But there doesn't seem to be alot of common sense used these days.

Isnt there a contractual obligation already in place for 2009?

Kasept 09-03-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I didn't write that. Not close. If you read what I wrote, you'd have saved yourself some time as I mentioned there were four. Not ALL.

There's no thinly veiled inference. Only the obvious one I mentioned which is that there are NYRA, NON-PROFIT NYRA, directors that have FOR-PROFIT interests that could be in conflict.

You don't see that? Fine. You can't perceive that? Fine. Are you stupid, inane or naive for thinking that way? Who knows.

Suppose you run a non-profit entity. You need a board. You can choose from a wide range of qualified people. But you choose to fill some seats with members who, among them, have FOR-PROFIT interests with, oh yeah, one of your two biggest competitors.

And you call me stupid?



Number one.. You did say it:
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Originally Posted by SentToStud
What about all the people who are on the Board of Directors of Churchill and/or who are Breeders Cup Trustees who are ALSO on the Board of Directors at NYRA?If you want to be critical, that's a fair place to start.


Number two.. You got the wrong Evans... The Evans on the NYRA board isn't the Bob Evans at Churchill.. So your head count is off. Your whole concept here is so misguided that's its' comical. "NYRA's bloated Board" you wrote? That's funny.. NYRA has less than 20 trustees for the biggest operation in racing (22 with the 4 officers), and the BCL has 14 Directors and 48 Member/Trustees for a two day event. But NYRA's board is bloated.


Your suggestion is that the three NYRA trustees, that happen to also be on the totally inconsequentioal 48 member BCL member/trustee board, have financial benefit to gain from the Cup backing out of the handshakes deal with NYRA... That's what you suggested, and it's so utterly preposterous as to be laughable. That those three need financial benefit off their BCL member/trustee positions is so outlandish that I must indeed be Gump-like in my myopia towards its' obviousness...


You're impossible to deal with on any topic NYRA-related.. Its' quite amazing.

Cannon Shell 09-03-2008 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
I thought you would like the metaphor of a Boston based former Gov. being slaughtered in an election........ I was searching for an example of a very bad idea and The Duke on a national level came to mind. The whole addition of the spelling bee champ was just an extra poorly placed piece of levity. What was it he spelled incorrectly on TV ....Potatoe? Tomatoe?.....something like that anyway the guys political life went up in smoke over a silly error like using those two names together in this thread

I thought I was in bizzaro world

Cannon Shell 09-03-2008 06:01 PM

The Breeders cup isnt going bankrupt any time soon. They already have a rather large war chest and will be receiving another $1000 from me in a month...

AeWingnut 09-04-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The Breeders cup isnt going bankrupt any time soon. They already have a rather large war chest and will be receiving another $1000 from me in a month...

are you giving them the $1000 or are they taking it?

Cannon Shell 09-04-2008 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
are you giving them the $1000 or are they taking it?

they will take it willingly. Actually it is $1500 for foal nominations.

DogsUp 09-04-2008 02:10 PM

I do not know what the uproar is all about. Does it really matter where the Breeders Cup is contested (as long as it isn't at a Synthetic track every year)? Who cares if the Cup is at Churchill, Belmont, Arlington, Gulfstream, etc et. It is a day of racing that showcases some very good talent, has large pools, full fields, and some decent payoffs. It is what it is and nothing more and nothing less.

Norfolk 09-04-2008 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
they will take it willingly. Actually it is $1500 for foal nominations.

It is $500 if you register the foal by Oct 15th

reese 09-04-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
I was there and it was like 50 degrees. Invasor won too. :)

I have been to the Breeders Cup at Belmont in 1995 and it was the most pathetic day ever. There was nobody there and it was terrible weather.

Talk about ANCIENT HISTORY:zz: who cares now?
I've been to two BC at Belmont since then and they were A-OK.

I see you fail to mention the last BC at SA...100degree heat, fires everywhere, ashes covering LA. I'm sure the horses just loved runnung in that polluted air...:zz:

Cannon Shell 09-04-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Norfolk
It is $500 if you register the foal by Oct 15th

3 foals

Norfolk 09-04-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
3 foals

Sorry I couldn't add

Cannon Shell 09-04-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Norfolk
Sorry I couldn't add

NP. One is going to be EBF too so there is another $500

rkinnin 09-05-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Um, were you there for the 2006 Breeders Cup? Coldest day ever.

Cold??

How about the all the rain in Monmouth last year?? They could have stolen delmar's slogan - where the surf meets the turf - that day!

What next??? ....an indoor arena where the entire environment is controlled?


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