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SniperSB23 08-07-2008 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
If all you are looking for are animals who had good records over a couple years, how can you leave off Black Ruby?

Talk about brilliantly fast. :rolleyes:

SentToStud 08-07-2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Talk about brilliantly fast. :rolleyes:

She was one game mule.

SniperSB23 08-07-2008 01:47 PM

Anyone have thoughts on Sysonby? He might be one that belongs on the list especially if he was truly drugged in his only loss.

Cajungator26 08-07-2008 03:37 PM

Can't see how anyone could exclude Silver Charm. :p

Antitrust32 08-07-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Can't see how anyone could exclude Silver Charm. :p


Because the title is "Which horses were truly great?" Not "Which horses were truly grey?"

By the way, going to the back booth in orlando tonite if you want to go out!

Danzig 08-07-2008 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
That also means he lost 50 out of 100. I have tough time putting a horse in the upper tier that only won half his starts. Grey Lag was really only great for one year which hurts his case.

if he was 5 of 10, i could see your point. just remember that no one holds citations losses against him, not with that win streak, and weight carried.

SniperSB23 08-07-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
if he was 5 of 10, i could see your point. just remember that no one holds citations losses against him, not with that win streak, and weight carried.

In those 50 wins Exterminator never had a streak longer than 6, and in that streak he only carried more than 126 once.

Danzig 08-07-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
In those 50 wins Exterminator never had a streak longer than 6, and in that streak he only carried more than 126 once.

when i said win streak, it was in reference to citation.

SniperSB23 08-07-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
when i said win streak, it was in reference to citation.

I know, I just think if Exterminator truly belonged in that elite class he would have won more than 6 in a row.

Danzig 08-07-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I know, I just think if Exterminator truly belonged in that elite class he would have won more than 6 in a row.

why? you include nashua, he never won more than 6 in a row.

SniperSB23 08-07-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
why? you include nashua, he never won more than 6 in a row.

But Nashua won more than 2/3 of his races. Had Exterminator had a nice run in his 50 wins and then racked up a bunch of losses late in his career then he'd have a better excuse for his 50 losses. But he didn't.

The Indomitable DrugS 08-07-2008 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
They won 60% and 62% respectively. Skip Away didn't even win half of his races.

Skip Away was the best horse of the 90's. Of course he was great. He faced real brilliant competiton, ran many huge performances, and was around from start to finish.

Ghostzapper was the best horse of this decade so far - because he was so lightly raced it might not be as easy to call him great but he was. I don't think you could call a horse great as lightly raced as he was had he run in a different era.

Danzig 08-07-2008 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
But Nashua won more than 2/3 of his races. Had Exterminator had a nice run in his 50 wins and then racked up a bunch of losses late in his career then he'd have a better excuse for his 50 losses. But he didn't.

but he won 50 races. most horses don't even start in 50 races. most horses today don't have 50 starts between themselves, their sire and their dam.

anyway, i think exterminator was a heck of a horse.

Danzig 08-07-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Skip Away was the best horse of the 90's. Of course he was great. He faced real brilliant competiton, ran many huge performances, and was around from start to finish.

Ghostzapper was the best horse of this decade so far - because he was so lightly raced it might not be as easy to call him great but he was. I don't think you could call a horse great as lightly raced as he was had he run in a different era.

ghostzapper was a brilliant horse. incredibly fast-i appreciate his talent far more now than i did when he ran, which sadly was far too infrequent for my taste.

SniperSB23 08-07-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
but he won 50 races. most horses don't even start in 50 races. most horses today don't have 50 starts between themselves, their sire and their dam.

anyway, i think exterminator was a heck of a horse.

There is no doubt of that, just like Scottie Pippen was a heck of a basketball player. But neither are at that elite level.

parsixfarms 08-07-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Skip Away was the best horse of the 90's. Of course he was great. He faced real brilliant competiton, ran many huge performances, and was around from start to finish.

I don't think Skip Away measures up to three Hall of Fame horses from that decade: Cigar, Holy Bull or A.P Indy. For that matter, from the year he was selected HOY, I'm not sure that he was better than Formal Gold, who smoked him in the Woodward.

Antitrust32 08-08-2008 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I don't think Skip Away measures up to three Hall of Fame horses from that decade: Cigar, Holy Bull or A.P Indy. For that matter, from the year he was selected HOY, I'm not sure that he was better than Formal Gold, who smoked him in the Woodward.


Formal Gold was a monster!

sdjcom 08-08-2008 08:20 PM

listing horses who ran 130 yrs. ago, with no automated timing and organize
betting coups how can you verify authenticity, of anything except what was written by a few writers of the day. should start list around 1920.

Pedigree Ann 08-09-2008 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
How about Go For Wand and or/ Bayakoa (sp??)

Not to mention Shuvee and Susan's Girl.

Pedigree Ann 08-09-2008 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
These are all nice horses being mentioned that no one is going to have a problem with calling great. I just don't think any of them fit in that top tier with the horses I've mentioned. You could pretty much just list anyone that is in the Hall of Fame if you want to include every horse that can pass for great but what fun is that.

I will still make an argument for Equipoise. Horsemen of the 30s insisted he was the best since Man o' War.


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