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blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i am also pretty sure that indian blessing has defeated proud spell 2-3 times head to head

I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
3 year olds period which can include males and fillies. You said no doubt she is top 5.
in no order...

indian blessing
zatfig
proud spell
big brown
casino drive or mint lane i guess ? ? ? ? ?
whats yours ?

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I shouldn't bother responding to you, but let me explain something to you, history is the guide to evaluating horses, and one thing that happens is that some horses move forward more than others. So, just because one horse finished ahead of another in the past does not mean that horse is always better than it's rival.

I'm glad you love the game, and I'm glad that you are enthusiastic, but you would be well served by listening more and typing less.
i do listen...

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:51 PM
why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title

jcs11204 06-17-2008 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I still think Proud Spell would beat Indian Blessing in a race like the Test. But this is far beyond the point, which was the Belmont talk was silly and way off.
i love proud spell but at 7 furlongs i dont think she would have a chance.

ateamstupid 06-17-2008 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
why spare the champion stuff ? she is A CHAMPION, MOST OF these other 3 yr olds will never accomplish that title
I'd say it's slightly more difficult to be an "official" champion among three-year-olds than it is among two-year-old fillies.

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i love proud spell but at 7 furlongs i dont think she would have a chance.
you can't say that without knowing the makeup of the race, the size and quality and speed of the other runners, the location, track condition, etc, etc. handicapping isn't about picking out names from a list of entries.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
you can't say that without knowing the makeup of the race, the size and quality and speed of the other runners, the location, track condition, etc, etc. handicapping isn't about picking out names from a list of entries.

The Village Idiot begs to differ.

SentToStud 06-17-2008 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
And while I granted you that IB MAY be the third best 3yo filly, I'm not totally conceding that to you. Let me ask you something. Obviously, at 9f and maybe even at 8.5f, you select Proud Spell over IB. But what if they were racing at under 8f? Would you still select PS? To me, those races count too. Proud Spell can beat IB in the Oaks and in the Alabama. Maybe IB can beat PS in the Acorn and in the Test. I don't say that makes PS automatically better because she wins at longer distances.
There are 15 3 yo F G1's left this year.

2 are on turf
1 is sprinting on synthetic
2 are sprinting on dirt
10 are 8F or more on dirt.

Indian Blessing best get it done right quick as both dirt sprints are in the next six weeks.

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SentToStud
There are 15 3 yo F G1's left this year.

2 are on turf
1 is sprinting on synthetic
2 are sprinting on dirt
10 are 8F or more on dirt.

Indian Blessing best get it done right quick as both dirt sprints are in the next six weeks.
Calder?

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 04:09 PM
Well, since she's obviously better than all the male 3YO sprinters out there I think you should also include the King's Bishop. She can win that after winning the Test.

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2008 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Calder?
Isn't their Grade 1 sprint for females for 3YOs and up? Or is it even a Grade 1?

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Belmont and Saratoga. The Prioress and Test.
Oh yeah, I was thinking there was another one on that summit of speed program.

SentToStud 06-17-2008 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Calder?
The Rooney is their G1. 3&up F/M. I think the Azalea is a G3, I think. That's the 3 yo F race.

SentToStud 06-17-2008 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I get that. I understand where the money and prestige are in this country. That doesn't necessarily mean that's what's the best though.
Why not? How else would you figure it?

I think Xtra Heat won the Eclipse as a 3 yo and she was a sprinter. But she actually won sprints as a 3yo.


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