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ateamstupid 05-30-2008 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're sticking your heels in instead of listening to what I'm saying.

It's not really about Anak Nakal.

In this case, it is. I go back and watch replays all the time, as much as you like to assume I don't.

XIIPointStables 05-30-2008 08:48 PM

Maybe I'll try and change the subject....

Dick Jerardi's column talks about the "light" Beyer for BB's Preakness. He mentioned that BB was eased in the throttle late by Kent.

But then to quote..."Would the colt have run faster if Desormeaux asked? Possibly. But the numbers are the numbers. If you believe, you believe. [in the numbers].

Possibly??? The horse is clearly geared down - aggressively even. Is he trying to tell us that we should take the 100 at its face? It could have been much higher right? Am I crazy in thinking this?

blackthroatedwind 05-30-2008 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Maybe I'll try and change the subject....

Dick Jerardi's column talks about the "light" Beyer for BB's Preakness. He mentioned that BB was eased in the throttle late by Kent.

But then to quote..."Would the colt have run faster if Desormeaux asked? Possibly. But the numbers are the numbers. If you believe, you believe. [in the numbers].

Possibly??? The horse is clearly geared down - aggressively even. Is he trying to tell us that we should take the 100 at its face? It could have been much higher right? Am I crazy in thinking this?


I don't agree with this at all. I watched the Preakness again just yesterday and Kent shook him up pretty hard into the lane and only geared him down very late. I sincerely doubt he slowed him down much at all.

pgardn 05-30-2008 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables
Maybe I'll try and change the subject....

Dick Jerardi's column talks about the "light" Beyer for BB's Preakness. He mentioned that BB was eased in the throttle late by Kent.

But then to quote..."Would the colt have run faster if Desormeaux asked? Possibly. But the numbers are the numbers. If you believe, you believe. [in the numbers].

Possibly??? The horse is clearly geared down - aggressively even. Is he trying to tell us that we should take the 100 at its face? It could have been much higher right? Am I crazy in thinking this?

But he was so boxed in...
Unfairly.
It really Edgar's fault.

Bobby Fischer 05-30-2008 10:33 PM

some "BS" from BF
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Anak Nakal... Sure seems to lack the talent... would need pace AND distance to be a BIG factor in his favor for top 3 finish. ... possible

-Derby Trip ... no real reason to watch AN's again (because he is a known quantity with like 95% chance that he didn't show a newfound talent) However = will have to watch it before the belmont

- Big Brown \ gearing down


The time that Big Brown may or may not have lost occured on the backstretch. Not the stretch. If Kent would have asked him right out of the 1st turn, and tried to win by 25 lengths --> then you see whether or not Big Brown could have run significantly faster.

gearing down late in the stretch does little for final time.

Mike 05-30-2008 10:52 PM

Anyone got the sire and dam lineage for Da Tara? Are Deputy Minister or Mr Prospector in the first two generations on either side?

hockey2315 05-30-2008 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike
Anyone got the sire and dam lineage for Da Tara? Are Deputy Minister or Mr Prospector in the first two generations on either side?

Nope: http://www.pedigreequery.com/da+tara

Not that I know the significance of that. . .

philcski 05-31-2008 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not sure what my friend was talking about. He was carried out into the lane but he seemed to have a seemless trip otherwise and was just too slow.

I hope he does well, obviously, but I don't see it.

It's tough to follow since he's off the screen most of the race but I didn't see anything of note either, other than being somewhat wide late. Looked like he ran his normal plodding race.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit the board in the Belmont, however, reminds me a lot of a couple other Zito runners that have recently, Royal Assault and Andromeda's Hero, that just grind, grind, grind.

Merlinsky 05-31-2008 10:34 PM

What's going down with Spark Candle? Are they going to wait til the last minute?

RolloTomasi 05-31-2008 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Nope: http://www.pedigreequery.com/da+tara

Not that I know the significance of that. . .

Aside from the fact that he was physically dropped in Kentucky, that horse is a California bred through and through. The 2nd dam is one of Martin Wygod's top broodmares.

hockey2315 06-01-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
The 2nd dam is one of Martin Wygod's top broodmares.

Yup . . . she's a very good producer . .

FGFan 06-01-2008 01:43 PM

Not that there is a whole bunch of love for this horse but David Grening (sp?) said on Raceday America that Tomcito is out. He is experiencing some sort of reaction, no other details were given.
I just thought you all would want to know...:D

pgiaco 06-01-2008 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FGFan
Not that there is a whole bunch of love for this horse but David Grening (sp?) said on Raceday America that Tomcito is out. He is experiencing some sort of reaction, no other details were given.
I just thought you all would want to know...:D

According to insiders, Tomcito is allergic to stakes caliber horses.:p

Kasept 06-01-2008 04:13 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95093.html

And Spark Candle to the Hill Rise.. 8 expected to face Big Brown..

freddymo 06-01-2008 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I don't agree with this at all. I watched the Preakness again just yesterday and Kent shook him up pretty hard into the lane and only geared him down very late. I sincerely doubt he slowed him down much at all.


The last 3/16ths were in 17ish he was flying

FGFan 06-01-2008 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgiaco
According to insiders, Tomcito is allergic to stakes caliber horses.:p

I laughed....:D :D

Bobby Fischer 06-01-2008 06:40 PM

too bad , Tomcito was going to take a tiny bit of dumb money and add to pretty much every payout.

ateamstupid 06-02-2008 01:04 PM

Velazquez now on Ready's Echo, Leparoux gets call on Anak Nakal.

johnny pinwheel 06-03-2008 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
too bad , Tomcito was going to take a tiny bit of dumb money and add to pretty much every payout.

i know . man was i scared of tomcito............lol

Bobby Fischer 06-03-2008 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Anak Nakal (N. Zito/J. Leparoux)
Big Brown (R. Dutrow, Jr./K. Desormeaux)
Casino Drive (K. Fujisawa/E. Prado)
Denis of Cork (D. Carroll/R. Albarado)
Icabad Crane (H. G. Motion/J. Rose)
Macho Again (D. Stewart/G. Gomez)
Ready's Echo (T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez)
Tale of Ekati (B. Tagg/E. Coa)
Da' Tara (N. Zito/A. Garcia)

Who sets the pace?


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