that's true--happens every time a prep is run.


well, maybe not every. i don't think anyone jumped on the visionaire wagon a few weeks back.

I posted this elsewhere, I'll do it here. The track was "suped" before the Fla Derby, not after:

Big Brown probably ran low 100s again, and the rest just stunk.

The raw figures for the three 9f races, pace and speed (projection):

R9: 92, 89 (I project this one as about a 98, so the track would be 9 slow)
R10: 128, 120 (I project this one as about 105, so suddenly the track is 15 fast?)
R12: 128, 123 (project at 110, so 13 fast)

Nice job by the super.

Do you really believe the shiat you are peddling?

What is it you don't believe? All I'm saying is the track speed basically became 25 points faster between the Bonnie Miss and the Florida Derby.

What are you trying to say? Don't you think this is a little pre-mature with this souped up theory?

no, the fractions or final times aren't going to change.

Yeah, Big Brown had the lead wire to wire... :confused:

If he believes the times posted are accurate....than no, it's not pre-mature.

Smooth Air started his move just after going into the turn. IMO he'll be able to sustain a good long move in and out around traffic, if need be, on Derby Day.

Live as in at Gulfstream? If so - my hero! Did you check out BB feet? I want to know if he is currently wearing glue-on shoes or not. And I want to know if he pulled a nail or something came half-loose when he drifted out in the stretch (or not). And I want to know what his feet look like tomorrow morning :D (Steve? Ask on ATR Monday? Pleeze? )

Had the "2" to win, also liked Zito's runner.....12 wasn't on any of my tickets.

they talked about the glue ons...not sure tho if he wore them in the race. and he did seem to get rubber legged at the end, but who wouldn't after running that time?

Well it's definitely Miller Time in upstate.

I guess that's the way I took it. I get the feeling that there are people that are trying to discredit this horse right off the bat. I saw the same thing everyone else did and that was impressive. I haven't been able to say that yet this year.

No, it is obvious. I'm still saying Big Brown ran about a 105 or so Beyer, which is way better than any other Derby prep this year.

The alternatives are the Bonnie Miss was won by open lengths in a runaway by a horse earning a 70 Beyer, or Big Brown AND Electrify just ran about 130 Beyers. Something happened to the track.

Well, we're getting there.