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Travis Stone 02-26-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I don't want to take anything away from the first 10 furlongs he ran in that race but this idea that he showed so much heart in the final two furlongs is nothing more than an optical illusion created by how slow Birdstone was also going.

You're absolutely right, good post. I would also add though that Smarty Jones' last two furlongs would have been stronger had he not had so much early pressure.

SniperSB23 02-26-2008 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
You're absolutely right, good post. I would also add though that Smarty Jones' last two furlongs would have been stronger had he not had so much early pressure.

That I don't doubt.

horseofcourse 02-26-2008 10:31 AM

Curlin
Street Sense
Barbaro
Barnardini
Afleet Alex
Lost in the Fog
Smarty Jones
Point Given
Tiznow
Xtra Heat
Silver Charm
Skip Away
Thunder Gulch
Holy Bull
AP Indy
Hansel
Go For Wand
Unbridled
Easy Goer
Sunday Silence
Forty Niner
Risen Star
Bet Twice
Alysheba
Java Gold

Reverse chronological. didn't look at rest of thread so probably forgot about some. remembered these.

SundayStar 02-26-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Curlin
Street Sense
Barbaro
Barnardini
Afleet Alex
Lost in the Fog
Smarty Jones
Point Given
Tiznow
Xtra Heat
Silver Charm
Skip Away
Thunder Gulch
Holy Bull
AP Indy
Hansel
Go For Wand
Unbridled
Easy Goer
Sunday Silence
Forty Niner
Risen Star
Bet Twice
Alysheba
Java Gold

Reverse chronological. didn't look at rest of thread so probably forgot about some. remembered these.


good list

Indian Charlie 02-26-2008 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Awesome Again didn't win a single G1 as a 3yo, and won only one graded stakes race (the Jim Dandy). He was much better at 4.
I agree on Tiznow and Unbridled. They were both on my list.

they dont run grade 1's in canada?

philcski 02-26-2008 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Curlin
Street Sense
Barbaro
Barnardini
Afleet Alex
Lost in the Fog
Smarty Jones
Point Given
Tiznow
Xtra Heat
Silver Charm
Skip Away
Thunder Gulch
Holy Bull
AP Indy
Hansel
Go For Wand
Unbridled
Easy Goer
Sunday Silence
Forty Niner
Risen Star
Bet Twice
Alysheba
Java Gold

Reverse chronological. didn't look at rest of thread so probably forgot about some. remembered these.

Agree, that is probably my list as well give or take one or two. Nice job.

philcski 02-26-2008 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
they dont run grade 1's in canada?

The Queens Plate is a CDN bred restricted race, ungraded.

Trust me, I'd include Awesome Again if I could- but his career was at 4.

Indian Charlie 02-26-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
The Queens Plate is a CDN bred restricted race, ungraded.

Trust me, I'd include Awesome Again if I could- but his career was at 4.

holy cow, i never realized that!

still, he was better as a 3yo than a whole lot of the ones named in this thread. didnt he win the queen's plate in his 2nd or 3rd start?

blackthroatedwind 02-26-2008 12:11 PM

If nothing else, anyone that includes Lost in the Fog and NOT Housebuster, needs, at the very least, a course in recent racing history. Housebuster ran numberous races, as a 3YO, that dwarfed anything Lost in the Fog ever did.

miraja2 02-26-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If nothing else, anyone that includes Lost in the Fog and NOT Housebuster, needs, at the very least, a course in recent racing history. Housebuster ran numberous races, as a 3YO, that dwarfed anything Lost in the Fog ever did.

I was a little shocked to see that I was the only one to include Housebuster in the top 25.

blackthroatedwind 02-26-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
I was a little shocked to see that I was the only one to include Housebuster in the top 25.

I would say many of these people know nothing about him. I just looked a couple of his races up.....he got a 113 Beyer fig when he won the King's Bishop ( Lost in the Fog.....105 ) and lost a photo to Criminal Type in the Met Mile, beating Easy Goer, and got a 117 Beyer.

Danzig 02-26-2008 12:21 PM

housebuster was amazing.....

isn't it funny tho how some horses are remembered for things they didn't do (such as anyone listing awesome again for his 3 yo career) and then others who accomplished some tremendous things get no press at all?

Coach Pants 02-26-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If nothing else, anyone that includes Lost in the Fog and NOT Housebuster, needs, at the very least, a course in recent racing history. Housebuster ran numberous races, as a 3YO, that dwarfed anything Lost in the Fog ever did.

They should watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQzeEFPRR2E

King Glorious 02-26-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
Curlin
Street Sense
Barbaro
Barnardini
Afleet Alex
Lost in the Fog
Smarty Jones
Point Given
Tiznow
Xtra Heat
Silver Charm
Skip Away
Thunder Gulch
Holy Bull
AP Indy
Hansel
Go For Wand
Unbridled
Easy Goer
Sunday Silence
Forty Niner
Risen Star
Bet Twice
Alysheba
Java Gold

Reverse chronological. didn't look at rest of thread so probably forgot about some. remembered these.

I must say that I'm very surprised to see Xtra Heat make any list. Personally, I don't even know if I'd rank her as one of the top three 3yo filly sprinters of the period. If you like Xtra Heat, what did you think about Very Subtle or Safely Kept? Very Subtle is one underrated filly. She won the BC (beating Groovy) and also went back east and won the Test and won the Fantasy Stakes (via DQ) in Arkansas. Both of those fillies won the premiere 3yo filly sprint race.

Coach Pants 02-26-2008 12:27 PM

I could be mistaken but didn't Don Brumfield ride Housebuster in his earlier races?

The Bid 02-26-2008 12:28 PM

How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

blackthroatedwind 02-26-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants


He only got a 118 Beyer fig that day. Citidancer was undefeated going into the Jerome I believe.

But, Lost in the Fog was a better horse. Give me a break.

NoLuvForPletch 02-26-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Unforunately, he's most widely known for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6M8ijJgCI

I myself was just out of college and the prior 4 years are/were/and forever will be blurred at best. I don't remember much at all about the horses from '87-'91, but unfortunately, I, like most people, do remember this vividly.

kentuckyrosesinmay 02-26-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

Wow, someone actually agrees with me on something! It's a miracle!

Coach Pants 02-26-2008 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
How can anyone knock LITF campaign. He raced at 7 different tracks, took on all comers, and never ran a sub 105 figure, less his Sunshine Million when he won by 5 while never being asked to run (102). Its just hard to imagine this horse isnt one of the best of his generation, if not all time. To not have him on a list as a 3yo when he dominated the division, and won 8 of 9, only losing after a tumor crippled him is criminal. His best was never realized, his good days were better than some of the best horses BEST days.

Its speculation but I would imagine his 2yo campaign was the only year he raced with no cancer. As a 2yo he ran a 103, 109, 102, thats significant.

It's unfortunate he won the majority of his races on the NoCal circuit. He'll always be knocked for that.


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