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brianwspencer 01-17-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Could we stop arguing about stupid Indian Blessing?
We all know she would need a bus ticket to get 10f, but that really has no bearing on Commentator. This is a talented horse that has shown some serious talent from 6f to 9f, and demonstrated again that he has the ability to actually run fast.
There aren't very many horses that can do that right now.

Amazing.

blackthroatedwind 01-17-2008 11:43 PM

I just think there is a basic misunderstanding by Sniper and King Glorious about Commentator. You both seem completely oblivious to his physical issues. This is a 7YO that just made his 16th career start. Think about that for a while....a long while. You both seem to be mapping out a season for a horse that is lucky to be able to make four starts a year. Sniper thinks he should be shipping down to New Orleans to run in the Minshaft in a few weeks as a prep for, maybe, the NO Handicap. I'm not exactly, to say the least, Mr. Backstretch, but I know enough to understand how ridiculous it would be to ship him and run him that ambitiously. It's very early in the year. There are plenty of races and if handled carefully perhaps, just perhaps, he will be able to take a shot in some of the more fitting spots. I am sure Zito would love to try him going longer again, but in order for that to happen I imagine he has to be handled very carefully. I hate the expression " they're not machines " but I do think it is very fitting in this particular case.

Miraja is right. Commentator is a horse that at times has run awe inspiring fast races. We don't see this very often anymore. He's a 7YO with a lifetime of issues. It's a miracle he's still running even occasionally well. It seems more fitting to be appreciating whatever we get out of him instead of arguing about where he's best spotted. Just hope he makes another start....and another.....

Indian Charlie 01-17-2008 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Zito is a guy whos horses often run well below expectations when he runs them on the turf - and he doesn't go to the turf with his horses as often as others do.

Something I found odd about Commentator when I looked at his pedigree - in search of grass breeding.....is that his mother Outsource was an unraced $14,000 yearling who was foaled in 1998.

Commentator, her first foal, was foaled in March of 2001. Seems like Distorted Humor got his dam when she was a early 2-year-old.

From her PQ page:

Owner: Airdrie Stud
Breeder: Pollock Farms
State Bred: KY

Born extremely crooked, so was never trained or raced. Was bred at the age of 2 to produce G1 winner Commentator, becoming one of the youngest mares to produce a G1 winner.

SniperSB23 01-18-2008 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I just think there is a basic misunderstanding by Sniper and King Glorious about Commentator. You both seem completely oblivious to his physical issues. This is a 7YO that just made his 16th career start. Think about that for a while....a long while. You both seem to be mapping out a season for a horse that is lucky to be able to make four starts a year. Sniper thinks he should be shipping down to New Orleans to run in the Minshaft in a few weeks as a prep for, maybe, the NO Handicap. I'm not exactly, to say the least, Mr. Backstretch, but I know enough to understand how ridiculous it would be to ship him and run him that ambitiously. It's very early in the year. There are plenty of races and if handled carefully perhaps, just perhaps, he will be able to take a shot in some of the more fitting spots. I am sure Zito would love to try him going longer again, but in order for that to happen I imagine he has to be handled very carefully. I hate the expression " they're not machines " but I do think it is very fitting in this particular case.

Miraja is right. Commentator is a horse that at times has run awe inspiring fast races. We don't see this very often anymore. He's a 7YO with a lifetime of issues. It's a miracle he's still running even occasionally well. It seems more fitting to be appreciating whatever we get out of him instead of arguing about where he's best spotted. Just hope he makes another start....and another.....

As I said, if the horse has shipping issues then don't ship him. If he doesn't have a problem with shipping and is ready then the Mineshaft is a great spot as a good performance would make the New Orleans Cap an intriguing option and if not would leave the Richter Scale as a nice cutback. If he has shipping issues or isn't ready to bounce back that quick then I guess there is no option but to keep him home and wait for the Richter Scale. Obviously he has issues but as we've seen with plenty of horses they can take months off and comeback and suffer an injury (or worse), so to a degree you have to strike while the iron is hot and your horse is healthy. Planning a BC campaign around a horse with 16 starts as a 7yo who just ran huge in January is probably not going to work. I pray it does cause I like the horse a lot but the reality is the odds are severely against him.

Indian Charlie 01-18-2008 12:05 AM

The first four dams of commentator have a combined total of one start.

blackthroatedwind 01-18-2008 11:32 AM

Commentator got a 119 Beyer fig for yesterday's race.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-18-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Commentator got a 119 Beyer fig for yesterday's race.

thats fn unreal......wow..if sound this one could do some damage..too bad all the phys problems have made him so fragile..

philcski 01-18-2008 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Commentator got a 119 Beyer fig for yesterday's race.

Again, anybody care to dispute my opinion that he's the most talented NYB of all time?

blackthroatedwind 01-18-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Again, anybody care to dispute my opinion that he's the most talented NYB of all time?


Why would someone argue with the truth?

slotdirt 01-18-2008 12:16 PM

Chowder's First would surely argue with that assertion.

cakes44 01-18-2008 12:53 PM

If by "talented" you are including mental toughness, then he is not the most talented. Not many horses as physically gifted as Commentator wilt so fast when faced with pressure.

King Glorious 01-18-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I just think there is a basic misunderstanding by Sniper and King Glorious about Commentator. You both seem completely oblivious to his physical issues. This is a 7YO that just made his 16th career start. Think about that for a while....a long while. You both seem to be mapping out a season for a horse that is lucky to be able to make four starts a year. Sniper thinks he should be shipping down to New Orleans to run in the Minshaft in a few weeks as a prep for, maybe, the NO Handicap. I'm not exactly, to say the least, Mr. Backstretch, but I know enough to understand how ridiculous it would be to ship him and run him that ambitiously. It's very early in the year. There are plenty of races and if handled carefully perhaps, just perhaps, he will be able to take a shot in some of the more fitting spots. I am sure Zito would love to try him going longer again, but in order for that to happen I imagine he has to be handled very carefully. I hate the expression " they're not machines " but I do think it is very fitting in this particular case.

Miraja is right. Commentator is a horse that at times has run awe inspiring fast races. We don't see this very often anymore. He's a 7YO with a lifetime of issues. It's a miracle he's still running even occasionally well. It seems more fitting to be appreciating whatever we get out of him instead of arguing about where he's best spotted. Just hope he makes another start....and another.....

I don't think it's a misunderstanding on my part. I understand that there are likely to only be a few opportunities to run him each year because of his physical issues. For that reason, I completely agree with you that it wouldn't make much sense to ship to New Orleans. They would be lucky to make even one of the two races and chances are very slim that they'd make both. I have not at all mapped out a campaign for what they should be trying to make with him. I only said that in the few times a year that he will be able to run, I'd like to see him placed in spots that would better allow him to show his best abilities. I think Commentator is an extremely talented horse, arguably one of the 10 best of the past decade. But I don't think they are doing him any favors by placing him in sprints. He's run some very fast sprints but he's done it under optimal circumstances for him. He's not once shown the ability to contend with true top level sprinters on the front end and still have the ability to finish. I don't see how anyone can't look at his record and see that. Last year for example, if they wanted to bring him back off of the layoff to run in the BC, the Dirt Mile, IMO, would have been a better fit than the Sprint. So I don't think there is a misunderstanding about him at all. I understand that he's a very talented and very fragile horse.

cakes44 01-18-2008 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I think Commentator is an extremely talented horse, arguably one of the 10 best of the past decade.

Whoa now. Easy there tiger.

King Glorious 01-18-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
Whoa now. Easy there tiger.

It's hard to say because I don't think he's been given the chance over the last couple of years to show his best stuff. I think had they focused on 8-9f races for him, we'd have seem some special stuff.

cakes44 01-18-2008 03:30 PM

He would have finished 3rd at best in the BC Dirt Mile this year if he ran.

SniperSB23 01-18-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
Whoa now. Easy there tiger.

How many horses this decade have three Beyers of 119+? Not many others besides Ghostzapper and Commentator.

ateamstupid 01-18-2008 04:11 PM

Haven't we been here before? What exactly did Commentator do yesterday that he hasn't already done? He got away with a soft quarter and aired in very fast time in a race essentially written for him. That hasn't happened before. The horse is seven years old and still has never dueled through fast splits with a top-flight horse and come out on top. He remains a very talented quitter to me until he proves otherwise.


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