This is about the closest thing to Godwin's Rule that exists on the internet.

As opposed to Godwin's Rule that states that the longer an internet discussion gets, the more likely (approaching inevitable) it is that somebody invokes Hitler, this is really the anti-choice Godwin's Rule.

The longer an internet discussion about abortion goes, the more likely (approaching inevitable) it is that some anti-choicer will post the Silent Scream as some sort of comeback....nevermind of course, that it's been discredited by serious physicians and doctors everywhere. Let's all just watch the video, trust a crazy nutjob right-winger about what he's saying without any regard to the medical reality and film manipulation present in the video, and call it a day.

It's one of the biggest pieces of trash propaganda videos out there. Zero merit. Zero legitimacy. Any legit, non-partisan doctor who has weighed in has stated that everything in this video that is presented to prove that this 11 week "human" is shying away from the abortion provider is little more than the kind of lie that zealots love.

I posted this earlier in the thread ND man and I will ask this of you right here. I too share your pro life views and I am guessing you are catholic like myself being you are such the ND man. Being the good catholic and being 20 years older than you I already have the children which I assume is your plan. I know it won't happen in all liklihood, but it is still a cruel world...I simply know for a fact that if my 12 year old daughter is violently raped and happens to get pregnant...I am rushing her to an abortion clinic as quickly as I can. I simply could not put her through what all that would entail in her life as a 12 turning 13 year old girl. Again...I know it's not too realistic as nearly all abortions are not this scenario...but does something like this never occur?? Has it never, ever happened?? There aren't a few crazy pedophiles out there??

anyway, that was my point, despite being a pro lifer I have my limits and can see legitimate reasons for an abortion procedure to be done. That being the case it is impossible for me to argue against abortion simply becuase another may have different limits than myself. It is a ridiculous topic in my opinion. The rich politicians taking the pro life stance will be able to take their children to another country to have a safe abortion with no issue and the poor will be able to head to back alleys and coat hangers once again. I find it sad that this remains an issue.

In the end, I find I have become much more liberal as I get older from what I was in my 20s. I guess that is the opposite of most, but I credit this shift to having children. You really would take a bullet for them. Thus I no longer argue the "pro-life" stance as nesessary as a must have for this country or outlawing abortion as necessary. I have done a complete shift on gay marriage/gay civil unions as I completely support that now where 20 years ago I would have thought it an outrage...and it is simply this...well, what if one of my 4 children is gay?? Would I take a bullet for them or throw them under a bus?? It is a simple answer.

It is a tough topic...but people can change their mind on it. I have on several issues the last couple decades. I have altered my stance on abortion as well. I will always be against really late pregnancy abortions etc...but I really can't see it as a clear cut issue...either yes, or no and that's it. There's several layers to it.

As much as I am against abortion, in your scenerio with a 12 year old daughter getting raped I can see your point. If the law was changed where the only way you could have an abortion is in cases of rape, and where it can be proven that it was rape that I guess I can understand. If you are stupid enough to have unprotected sex and get pregnant, why should you take it out on another person (the baby) and abort them? Yes I am catholic, and I guess we are suppose to be against the condom, but I am not. I guess I am suppose to be against the pill, but I am not, and glad that my gf who is catholic is not either because neither of us are ready to have a child, but we know if the accident did happen then we would be having one because abortion really is not an option. So you can see that I'm not the perfect Catholic and there are things I do wrong according to the church, and my religion is NOT the reason I am Pro-Life.

one more thing, I just saw a topic posted in the paddock about the ban of horse slaughter.

I would truely hope that if any of you guys are willing to fight for the ban of horse slaughter you would do the same for the ban of abortion and the taking of a human life.

I've actually kept religion out of it, saying me being pro-life has nothing to do with my Catholic religion.

If you are against killing horses, you should be against killing a human life.

I've actually kept religion out of it, saying me being pro-life has nothing to do with my Catholic religion.

If you are against killing horses, you should be against killing a human life.

apples and oranges.

I've mentioned religion, but I never talked about my religion as being the reason why abortion is wrong. Check it again.

I'm for postnatal abortions of Catholics and the kiddy fiddlers that brainwash them.

are you involved in any kind of religion??

Abortion should really be about a mans right to choose.

I was just entertaining myself when sparring with Cajun.

Basically, if the man wants the women to have a kid she should have it - or go to jail.

If the man doesn't want her to have it, than she doesn't have it.

That's the way it should be.

While I'm sure that was intended to be satire, and damn good satire at that, there is actually a movement that essentially goes along those lines of thinking.

They're MRAs -- Men's Rights Advocates, and they're batshit crazy and say things like "I had an abortion" after they pay for their girlfriend's abortions. There was just a wingnut's wet-dream article about them in the LA Times a few days ago.

Read it if you can tolerate it.

Frankly, I like this feminist's response to it better, where we can get to the heart of the issue:

As I've said before, the idea that a woman has a right to terminate a pregnancy makes about as much sense, in their misogynist worldview, as the idea that a car has a right not to drive once you stick in the keys.

Fortunately, since I don't believe in hell either, I don't have to worry about your ramblings...when exactly was the last time you made a coherent post? Anyway...I didn't say I was in favor of reversing Roe (that pesky reading comprehension problem of your's pops up again), you saying that I'm not a feminist is too funny to really respond to except that I wasn't aware that you were in charge of such determinations. I oppose euthanasia also...sorry to bust that bubble.