But you'd still date her...or is it only waitresses? :p

It's a service industry thing.

have you heard dark side on SACD? sublime

DrugS's parents were in diapers when Damascus was running.

They were, of course, married.....but he's from Erie.

Don't you think winning races like the Arkansas Derby and the Kentucky Derby despite having Elliot on your back requires a certain amount of greatness from a horse?

It takes a special talent for any horse to win with him....however the Arkansas Derby is hardly a career defining race and whether his legion of fans like it or not, the torrential rain prior to his Derby made that race moot. Lionheart was absolutely out of gas when they turned for home and still held second easily. The truth is that nobody ran a step that day.

Hey, losing to Birdstone was no disgrace. But, it was hardly the sign of a great horse.

This goes against your earlier belief (which I 100% agree with) that will they remember you in 25 years, 50 years. Smarty Jones will be remembered as great in 25 years, as he is now by 95% of the racing population. Everyone of his races was pretty amazing (other than the Southwest where he struggled around the track against mediocre types.)

Is Seattle Slew not great because he ran poorly in the Hollywood race?

He was going to win that Derby, torrential rain or not.

The debute of an overnight stakes at Oaklawn called "The Smarty Jones" is scheduled for Monday 1/21. They will be handing out Smarty Jones bobble horses to those in attendance. Regular fans of this meet will remember a lot of horses who came through Hot Springs on their three year old campaign, but probably none will be more remembered than Smarty. John Servis won a lot of fans too with how he made himself accessible to the media and the fans. Hopefully some day he'll get another shot. Stew, oh well, Stew is Stew. I must agree that his best win was the Preakness. :rolleyes:

The word 'great' was tossed around with all of the following, how would you rank them?

Smarty Jones, Afleet Alex, Bernardini, Barbaro or Curlin?

I so want one!

Barbaro is sort of hard though in my heart I think he was the best because of his abilities on both surfaces. Seems pretty cut and dried after that......Curlin, Bernardini, Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex. I actually probably liked Afleet Alex but he is pretty clearly the last of that group. No disgrace, they're all pretty damn good.

I also wouldn't argue with anyone who put Bernardini ahead of Curlin. That seems arguable.

none were " great "


Curlin
Barbaro
Smarty
Bernie
Alex

That's exactly how I would put it.

Really? It just seems Curlin beat so much better.

I don't know about that. Bernardini lost a race to Invasor where he was best and Invasor was most likely better than anyone Curlin beat at 1 1/4. Hey, I'm a Street Sense fan but he's no world beater. Bernardini was a vastly superior horse to him.

1. Curlin
2. SJ
T3. Barbaro
T3. Bernardini
T5. Alex

Not separated by a whole lot. You could make arguments for each.
Hell, Alex was the only one to win a G1 at 2 AND 3 (let alone multiple graded stakes!) He only gets downgraded for the horrible competition he faced and generally lower figures.

I despised Curlin and still do but respect him nonetheless.

You're a way better judge than I, but I think the performances Curlin put up in the JCGC & BCC were far superior to anything Bernardini did the year before. Lawyer Ron was pretty good in the Gold Cup too.