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Originally Posted by Cardus

Was what Allday said conjecture, or proof?

Sounds like he has proof to me.

agree ,sounds like proof to me.

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I'm aware of that, but since he indirectly indicted two men for whom he used to work, I thought it would be interesting to hear his thoughts on Pletcher, for whom he has worked, too.

He certainly seemed to have an axe to grind against the people he mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Why is public perception of racing low? I don't think it's because there is a widespread, general population perception that racing is conducted by "cheats," to use Allday's word about one trainer. It's people like us who are much more sensitive to issues like this that are troubled.

i don't think a lot of people think it's populated by cheats. just that there are cheaters out there, and hopefully they'll start cracking down.
savvy bettors use all info, whether the perception is that a trainer is a cheat or not, they'll use their money accordingly.

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

excellent show yesterday!

DD.. Thanks very much. Not sure how this one will be 'topped'..

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

theres a fine line between informative/entertaining & personally damaging/slander.. actually it's not so fine.. good judgement prevailed

BF.. Appreciate your interpretation..

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

You know, too often people who report the news would take the opportunity to sensationalize such a scoop but you did not and kept your calm after realizing your show, maybe for the first time, had become the news. Your handling of the bomb dropped in your lap was professional and serves as an example of how all news reporters should approach a such an event.

Spyd.. Not necessarily thrilled about being part of the story. Appreciate your view of how I handled the situation.. Thx..

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Mr.Byk, In my opinion you let a good opportunity go. You had Dr. Allday coming clean about what he "claims" to have seen at the barn of Rick Dutrow. Why not follow up with some detailed information. He didn't clarify anything that the public didn't know already. Dutrow has a record of violations. That was the chance to find out exactly what went on. Apparently he didn't have much good to say about Frankel as well. Didn't he work for Frankel as well? Doesn't he currently or at one time work for Pletcher? I hope for his sake he wasn't dropping bombs without proof of his own involvement. Because his work with those three characters doesn't bring out confidence in him with the bettting public. Hopefully he'll be back on the show and elaborate on "what he saw".

I disagree that there was more to be gained by pressing the situation for further revelations. I'll repeat again that Sirius has been clear with us that they will not be tolerant of another potential lawsuit. Dr. Allday has been the featured vet for the weekly 'Horse Health Today' segment from before I started on the show, and will come on whenever asked. I think after interviewing him on more than 75 occasions, I believe have a good feel for what buttons I can push with him and which I can't. I have asked him on several occasions for clarifications of events which may have involved illegalities, and he answers with extreme caution.

You might want to note that comments like he made Friday would not come on that forum if he didn't have a certain comfort level with the show as a setting for his call. He will say exactly what he wants to say, and if I had to guess what his objective was Friday, I'd say it was to fuel further investigation into the Wild Desert affair specifically. Anything he said or alleged, he will back up with proof. He did offer his records to any authority that wants to see them...

There are few major barns that Dr. Allday has not worked with at one time or another. He works on all of the Pletcher horses.. As well as Dale Romans'. He has done work for Frankel. His comments regarding Frankel were related to him taking on the saddling responsibilities for Wild Desert in the Queen's Plate without knowing much about what was going on and that being slightly irresponsible on Bobby's part.

Appreciate you listening to the show and sharing your thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Cardus

It would be interesting to hear what he has to say about Pletcher.

He has unbridled respect and admiration for Pletcher as a horseman and the way Todd runs his vast operation. And says so all the time. Which should come as no surprise obviously..

Steve,
IMHO your show is great and the Friday show was no exception....fwiw, I thought that you handled things very well...One comment on the matter is that claiming to have proof is not quite the same as actually producing/providing it...and that still remains to be done...without all the facts it can be a mistake for anyone to rush to judgement.

Expect more discussion on this. Jason Levine mentioned the link on Equidaily to the show archives this morning on his show.

(sometime during the last 15 minutes of his show) Jason's archives aren't up yet http://www.racingjason.com/

Equidaily:

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Wow! AUDIO: One-time Rick Dutrow vet Dr Steve Allday on Friday's 'At the Races' radio program comments on Dutrow's most recent suspension: "Rick likes to cheat... Rick is a bad guy. He's bad for racing." [interview approx 45 min into 'Hour 1']

Friday's show was great, by the way.

Well, Steve, looks like Dr. Allday is increasing your audience numbers :D - have you yet contacted Dutrow's camp, and given them the option to have a statement read, or have someone appear on your show? Or at least to say, "No comment" ?

Steve, stop apologizing to these people that don't have a clue. They are asking you to go above and beyond in a situation that you handled PERFECTLY, especially given the strict guidlines that you have been put on by Sirius, 95% of these people yapping would have dropped their jaw like I did and would have had a fat tongue and just been silent but you keep the flow.

Also, if you need round the clock surveillance, I can be there in 12 hours :)

I can see it now -

Dateline - NBC " To Catch a Cheater" staring Steve Byk.

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Originally Posted by Cardus

After listening to the segment, I dusted off my Times v. Sullivan. I suspect you know it front and back.

Can you give a quick overview? feeling lazy today and don't want to look it up on the net

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Well then Sirius needs to put a disclamer on their show that individuals that call not to make accusations without providing some proof. I can't see how Sirius doesn't allow you to question individuals that open a can of worms like Allday did on Friday. You didn't pry these claims out of him. He voluntarily gave them without prodding and I don't see what is Sirius fear of questioning when accusations are made like that. I can only see a lawsuit happening when they make these accusations on-air without cutting them off or without providing evidence. To me it was open season at that point and without proof it was slander anyway. Sure he said his records are open but as the listening public do we really know that? Unlike SCAV'S claims, I'm like others aren't here looking for apologies. It's just people who are either fans or just in this entertainment for betting purposes who like an insider's view of what is happening to this sport or their betting money. Sorry but Dr. Allday worked for two guys in Dutrow and Frankel that are suspected or charged of illegal activity and now works for Todd Pletcher who has had his shares of problems and allegations. So what's not to say Dr.Allday is not part of the problem as well and it might be sour grapes attack on Dutrow.Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Why the RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure Sirius doesn't give a damn what Steve talks about as long as it doesn't cost them money defending themselves in court.

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Sorry but Dr. Allday worked for two guys in Dutrow and Frankel that are suspected or charged of illegal activity and now works for Todd Pletcher who has had his shares of problems and allegations.

Can you list Pletcher's problems, please?

I'm not interested in the allegations. Just the positives.

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Why the RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Isn't it comforting to know you are not color blind?

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Originally Posted by Riot

Isn't it comforting to know you are not color blind?

I'm like a bull....red makes me crazy...