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Originally Posted by The Bid

I think Azeri getting off slow had a lot to do with Ghostzappers uncontested lead in the BC. I think she would have pressed him

She had every chance in the world to press or pass him, but her jock didn't want her going sub-:47 up front is my guess.

you could have brought groovy back......it wouldnt have made a difference, the zapper was a FREAK.

BC Classic Future Odds - Wynn

Older
Discreet Cat 7/2
Lawyer Ron 4/1
Lava Man 20/1
Master Command 15/1
Corinthian 25/1
Papi C 20/1
Magna G 12/1

3yos
Street Sense 4/1
Curlin 7/2
Rags To Riches 20/1
Hard Spun 25/1
Any Given Sat 20/1
Chelokee 20/1

Those don't look so hot.

The Kings Bishop would be a great spot for Hard Spun, IMO.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You are right...you most certainly can.

See Black Tie Affair and his 122 Beyer figure.

I'm just about convinced this year's pace will be as soft as any Classic I've seen in my lifetime. The advent of the BC Dirt Mile can be thanked for that.

The main contenders won't....that is for sure. Any Given Saturday isn't fast enough to press him...and Garret Gomez isn't that style of rider.

JRV will back Lawyer Ron, that I have no doubt of.

Street Sense and Curlin obviously won't be dueling with any front-runners.

A horse like Wanderin Boy, who would normally run in the Classic, would opt for the Dirt Mile and 70 yards. Same with a horse like Fairbanks.

The thing I'd love most about Hard Spun's chances, is the precieved notion that he doesn't want to stay 10 furlongs. Because of that, whoever is sitting 2nd is much more likely to try and settle his horse in hand.

If anyone remembers back to Ghostzapper, the idiotic questions about his (in)ability to see out the 10 furlong distance was the reason he was allowed an unpressured lead.

GZ and Roses In May sailed 1-2 at every call all around the track.

well you've referenced Black Tie Affair, Roses In May, and Ghostzapper while making the case for Hard Spun. I guess I'm simply not getting the similarity to any of those instances. I can think of no race of Hard Spuns that is reminiscent of a Ghostzapper.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Kings Bishop would be a great spot for Hard Spun, IMO.

I agree.

Eric

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

While it is true that Discreet Cat is the only horse on that list that even resembles an elite race horse ---- I don't understand why he is the favorite in the futures right now....7/2 is not a good price on a horse who's probably less than that to make the race....but hey, he is God after all. If he can walk on water....turn water into wine....bring people back from the dead....and all those sorts of things, surely he can dominate this sad group of horses.

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Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont think he would need a passing gear going a mile on the grass. Hes a fast horse

He would when the Euros begin coming down the lane....

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Interview with Discreet Cat showed up in the Times Union this morning:

Reporter: Good morning Mr. Cat, it has been said that you are very brilliant, do you agree?

D. Cat: I'm alright I guess, but you know who has the biggest balls in town? Street Sense. That dude carried the Juvie Jinx on his back to victory in the Kentucky Derby. I mean have you seen some of the holes he has bullied his way through? I wish I had those balls, heck...I need 4 months off if the wind blows by too quickly.

Reporter: Speaking of time off, how is your throat recovering?

D. Cat: Godolphin didn't want to ruin my good boy image, but truth is, I was being stalked by this dude, DrugS, and couldn't take the pressure any longer and took up chain smoking. I mean, the guy thinks I can walk on water and stuff...I can't even run on dirt on a regular basis!

Reporter: So when can we expect you to race again?

D. Cat: I refuse to run again until the State of New York recognizes my Civil Union with Flashy Bull.

Reporter: Such a shame. It was good speaking with you Mr. Cat.

D. Cat: Likewise.