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brianwspencer 06-08-2007 05:42 PM

Oh come on, as if this isn't the best thing that could have happened to Paris.

Just think about the DRAMA that has happened today with all of this.

Think about adding it into her book. These days in the slammer will only help her. The louder she wails on TV this afternoon and the more she cries the more people will get sucked in. So yea, it might suck for her -- but it stinks of adding to the jackpot at the end of the road.

somerfrost 06-08-2007 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Oh come on, as if this isn't the best thing that could have happened to Paris.

Just think about the DRAMA that has happened today with all of this.

Think about adding it into her book. These days in the slammer will only help her. The louder she wails on TV this afternoon and the more she cries the more people will get sucked in. So yea, it might suck for her -- but it stinks of adding to the jackpot at the end of the road.


Brian, don't fall into the trap of focusing on Paris here...of course she'll get a book deal and this will keep her in the public eye (certainly did all day today) BUT it doesn't make it right! The judge really nailed her with a 45 day sentence (extreme by most accounts), then the prison and sheriff Dept folks released her based on what appears to be reasonable criteria, only to have the judge react rather strongly (his anger was toward the decision by Corrections and Sheriff Dept)...at first there was supposed to be a telephonic "hearing" but that wasn't good enough for the judge who ordered the Sheriff to bring her in a marked cruiser in cuffs, after a lengthly "pissing contest" the sheriff caved in and brought her...no evidence was allowed concerning her alleged condition because no paperwork had been sent to the judge by the above staff so he sends her back to jail...don't confuse this with justice, this is nothing more than political powerplaying and pandering!

Antitrust32 06-08-2007 05:57 PM

"book deal"

you mean she is literate?

hi_im_god 06-08-2007 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Brian, don't fall into the trap of focusing on Paris here...of course she'll get a book deal and this will keep her in the public eye (certainly did all day today) BUT it doesn't make it right! The judge really nailed her with a 45 day sentence (extreme by most accounts), then the prison and sheriff Dept folks released her based on what appears to be reasonable criteria, only to have the judge react rather strongly (his anger was toward the decision by Corrections and Sheriff Dept)...at first there was supposed to be a telephonic "hearing" but that wasn't good enough for the judge who ordered the Sheriff to bring her in a marked cruiser in cuffs, after a lengthly "pissing contest" the sheriff caved in and brought her...no evidence was allowed concerning her alleged condition because no paperwork had been sent to the judge by the above staff so he sends her back to jail...don't confuse this with justice, this is nothing more than political powerplaying and pandering!

there are inmates in l.a. county jails with aids, cancer, and serious heart conditions. none of them get released on medical need.

open heart surgery and kidney transplants get you out.

the judge, when he sentenced her, specifically ruled out serving the sentence at home. the sheriff department ignored that. they also ignored their own well established practice in dealing with requests for early medical release.

the appearence of special treatment seems unavoidable.

somerfrost 06-08-2007 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
there are inmates in l.a. county jails with aids, cancer, and serious heart conditions. none of them get released on medical need.

open heart surgery and kidney transplants get you out.

the judge, when he sentenced her, specifically ruled out serving the sentence at home. the sheriff department ignored that. they also ignored their own well established practice in dealing with requests for early medical release.

the appearence of special treatment seems unavoidable.


OK, some fair points:
1) I doubt there are many inmates in the system with such serious conditions serving 23-45 days for a PV. Also, psychiatric issues are handled differently than physical ones...while AIDS, heart issues, and cancer can certainly kill, they are easier to handle in an institutional setting. If a person is deemed to be at risk for SI or a psychotic break, they are often transported to a hospital and housed in a psych ward, larger facilities may have their own psych ward (I don't know if this one does) but it is labor-intensive and extremely costly...specially trained staff and 1:1 supervision. For those reasons, the prison administration is likely to seek alternatives. Also, should something happen (suicide attempt, psychotic break) the "blame game" would be off the chart. Again..while I certainly believe that Paris is responsible for her actions, on balance, if I were the Warden, I'd opt for a house arrest scenerio rather than risk severe injury to this young woman.
2) I don't know the specifics of Cal law but in many states, the correctional system and/or Sheriff takes control of inmates regarding issues such as early release, good time and medical issues. In any event, if the judge has issues with the Sheriff or other officials, why take it out on Ms Hilton? Marked squad car in handcuffs, completely ignoring whatever medical condition may exist. If he was all about fairness and justice, why not get with the Sheriff and Warden and find out why their decision was made and evaluate the facts BEFORE creating this public spectacle? If, as reported, a board certified psychiatrist diagnosed her as depressed and on the edge of a psychotic break, I'd think he'd want to know that BEFORE sending her back!

hi_im_god 06-08-2007 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
OK, some fair points:
1) I doubt there are many inmates in the system with such serious conditions serving 23-45 days for a PV. Also, psychiatric issues are handled differently than physical ones...while AIDS, heart issues, and cancer can certainly kill, they are easier to handle in an institutional setting. If a person is deemed to be at risk for SI or a psychotic break, they are often transported to a hospital and housed in a psych ward, larger facilities may have their own psych ward (I don't know if this one does) but it is labor-intensive and extremely costly...specially trained staff and 1:1 supervision. For those reasons, the prison administration is likely to seek alternatives. Also, should something happen (suicide attempt, psychotic break) the "blame game" would be off the chart. Again..while I certainly believe that Paris is responsible for her actions, on balance, if I were the Warden, I'd opt for a house arrest scenerio rather than risk severe injury to this young woman.
2) I don't know the specifics of Cal law but in many states, the correctional system and/or Sheriff takes control of inmates regarding issues such as early release, good time and medical issues. In any event, if the judge has issues with the Sheriff or other officials, why take it out on Ms Hilton? Marked squad car in handcuffs, completely ignoring whatever medical condition may exist. If he was all about fairness and justice, why not get with the Sheriff and Warden and find out why their decision was made and evaluate the facts BEFORE creating this public spectacle? If, as reported, a board certified psychiatrist diagnosed her as depressed and on the edge of a psychotic break, I'd think he'd want to know that BEFORE sending her back!

the judge acted specifically because the sheriffs department and defense attorneys provided no information supporting the alleged medical condition to him before her release as is required with other inmates.

he doesn't need to ask. the sheriff department is suppossed to provide the supports as to why they are violating a court order.

clinical depression is not a diagnosis that gets you out of l.a. county jail in most circumstances.

somerfrost 06-08-2007 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
the judge acted specifically because the sheriffs department and defense attorneys provided no information supporting the alleged medical condition to him before her release as is required with other inmates.

he doesn't need to ask. the sheriff department is suppossed to provide the supports as to why they are violating a court order.

clinical depression is not a diagnosis that gets you out of l.a. county jail in most circumstances.

Actually, the Defense wasn't given the opportunity to discuss her condition according to reporters in the hearing so it falls to the Sheriff and my position/question remains! Clinical depression is different from SI...don't know if she verbalized SI but if so then that's a different ball game. Psychosis is also a different matter! It may fall on the Sheriff but I expect a judge to be concerned with fairness not some powerplay!

hi_im_god 06-08-2007 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Actually, the Defense wasn't given the opportunity to discuss her condition according to reporters in the hearing so it falls to the Sheriff and my position/question remains! Clinical depression is different from SI...don't know if she verbalized SI but if so then that's a different ball game. Psychosis is also a different matter! It may fall on the Sheriff but I expect a judge to be concerned with fairness not some powerplay!

she's too narcissitic to kill herself.

that's strictly my opinion. i have no professional degree that makes it any more valid than your's but...c'mon for christ's sake.

i also think it's laughable to suggest a psychotic break is in the wings. she seemed okay a few days ago when she attended the mtv awards show.

i'd buy clinical depression. i think she's finally having to deal with some things she doesn't want to.

but again, according to defense attorneys quoted in the l.a. times today, that is never sufficent for an early release.

somerfrost 06-08-2007 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
she's too narcissitic to kill herself.

that's strictly my opinion. i have no professional degree that makes it any more valid than your's but...c'mon for christ's sake.

i also think it's laughable to suggest a psychotic break is in the wings. she seemed okay a few days ago when she attended the mtv awards show.

i'd buy clinical depression. i think she's finally having to deal with some things she doesn't want to.

but again, according to defense attorneys quoted in the l.a. times today, that is never sufficent for an early release.


Well, I do have a MS in Psychology and 35 years experience in mental health but I don't pretend to know how she is doing, only that the symptomology is understandable given the circumstances...extreme emotional trauma often leads to acute depression, SI and psychotic presentations. There is nothing laughable about psychosis and why do you think that narcissitic personalities aren't subject to depression and SI? Still...the most obvious thing to me is that the authorities made a decision and sent her home, the judge could have obtained the facts behind said decision...he could have ordered that they present him with same, but instead...he ordered this young woman brought to him publically in handcuffs and sent her back to prison without ANY consideration of the reasons for the decision to release her! This isn't justice...this isn't fairness, this is a "pissing contest" with her stuck in the middle!

ninetoone 06-08-2007 10:07 PM

This is the best possible thing that could have happenned to her, and I'll bet she'll confirm this herself one day in the not so distant future. At that point, anyone who was defending her will be scratching their heads & still won't admit they were wrong.

somerfrost 06-08-2007 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone
This is the best possible thing that could have happenned to her, and I'll bet she'll confirm this herself one day in the not so distant future. At that point, anyone who was defending her will be scratching their heads & still won't admit they were wrong.

You just don't get it do you? It isn't about Paris Hilton, it's about justice and fairness. Forget it's her, how would you feel if it was your daughter, mom, sister or friend...I'm thinking this will be overturned on appeal, the judge has probably overstepped his authority here. In any event, she'll probably be out on bail Monday. Will she probably get a book out of this? Little doubt. Might she use this to rehab her image? Possibly! None of which speaks to the point...I'm the one who always decries the failures of the legal system when poor folks go to jail and rich folks skate, I'd be the world's biggest hypocrite if I didn't denounce this obvious judicial ego trip using a wealthy well-known young lady as a political pawn!

ninetoone 06-08-2007 10:24 PM

This isn't about Paris? She wasn't the one that blew a .08 and was arrested for DUI? Since you're into hypotheticals, what if she would have taken somebody out during her little reckless burger run? And, to answer your question, if it were someone in my family, or a friend, I guess I'd be going to visit them in the joint!

somerfrost 06-08-2007 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone
This isn't about Paris? She wasn't the one that blew a .08 and was arrested for DUI? Since you're into hypotheticals, what if she would have taken somebody out during her little reckless burger run? And, to answer your question, if it were someone in my family, or a friend, I guess I'd be going to visit them in the joint!

Then that's you!

ninetoone 06-08-2007 10:37 PM

Oh yeah, your quote from the Josh Hancock thread...

I understand that the family is suffering by losing a son but this is another example of folks simply not taking responsibility for their own behavior...or, in this case, a father blaming everyone but his son for his son's behavior. According to reports, the restuarant manager tried to talk him into taking a cab, he was 2x the legal limit, speeding, talking on his cell, and he had grass in the car...the family should consider themselves lucky if the tow truck driver and the person with the disabled car don't sue them (son's estate). He could have killed several innocent people as well...sad, but this action is indefensible!

so...lets not blame everyone else but Paris...but hey, you're entitled to your opinion :D

somerfrost 06-08-2007 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone
Oh yeah, your quote from the Josh Hancock thread...

I understand that the family is suffering by losing a son but this is another example of folks simply not taking responsibility for their own behavior...or, in this case, a father blaming everyone but his son for his son's behavior. According to reports, the restuarant manager tried to talk him into taking a cab, he was 2x the legal limit, speeding, talking on his cell, and he had grass in the car...the family should consider themselves lucky if the tow truck driver and the person with the disabled car don't sue them (son's estate). He could have killed several innocent people as well...sad, but this action is indefensible!

so...lets not blame everyone else but Paris...but hey, you're entitled to your opinion :D



You continue to focus on Ms Hilton, I've said from the beginning that she is responsible for her actions...this isn't about what she did, it's about her treatment by this judge!!! Knockout punch? I think folks are so filled with their view of things that they can't tolerate a different opinion!

somerfrost 06-08-2007 11:01 PM

I continue to talk about the issue of fairness and folks here simply seem unwilling or unable to get past the "Paris Hilton is an evil bitch who deserves what she gets" mentality! She is responsible for her behavior...and this judge is responsible for his!

ninetoone 06-08-2007 11:04 PM

did the judge commit the crime? Wake up...you are focusing on the wrong person, not everyone else in the world!

Here's an expression you might want to look up:

"cant see the forest for the trees"

ArlJim78 06-08-2007 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
You just don't get it do you? It isn't about Paris Hilton, it's about justice and fairness. Forget it's her, how would you feel if it was your daughter, mom, sister or friend...I'm thinking this will be overturned on appeal, the judge has probably overstepped his authority here. In any event, she'll probably be out on bail Monday. Will she probably get a book out of this? Little doubt. Might she use this to rehab her image? Possibly! None of which speaks to the point...I'm the one who always decries the failures of the legal system when poor folks go to jail and rich folks skate, I'd be the world's biggest hypocrite if I didn't denounce this obvious judicial ego trip using a wealthy well-known young lady as a political pawn!

I don't think this is anything to do with politics.

somerfrost 06-08-2007 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
I don't think this is anything to do with politics.


Politics between the sheriff and the judge


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