By the same token, you should be pointing out how Flip Saunders lucked into winning game 2 by planning on Maxiell scoring 15 and saving their asses in order to get to the point of needing Cleveland miss two shots at the end.

Detroit is one lucky team not to be down 3-1.

If I were coaching them the Pistons Series would have ended last night with a Cleveland sweep in front of the home crowd. They played too hard to come home down 2 - 0

Flip, the second worst coach in the NBA.

Well, that's certainly profound. Who's the worst?

Brown, the Cavs coach. Hes basically just a suit with white teeth that gives the guys water. Hes certainly no bench coach

I live in Idaho now...so no Whiteys! I simply disagree about Brown. Is he perfect...no. But after 35 years viewing, it's hard for me to be critical of a Cleveland coach who is 17-10 in postseason. So you really think the move to put Pavolvic in the starting lineup replacing Snow and putting Hughes at point guard moving them from a 5 to a 2 seed was a wrong move?? They're streaky and inconsistent because they have no point guard...Hughes can't shoot, Pavlovic is 23, Gibson is 21, Snow is old and can't shoot, Gooden is the definition of streaky, God could be coaching him and that is him, Verajao has zero offensive game, Ilgauskas is getting old, but where I think you are missing out is that despite the type of players they have, Brown has gotten them to CONSISTENTLY play defense very well for the most part despite their trend for offensive inconsistency and he has maneuvered his superstar pretty well for the most part.

Brown is certainly not a complete zero as a coach from what I have seen.

You must be thrilled to have them both in the same series.

You are kidding right?

Check out the contracts that the Cavs are on the hook for and say this again with a straight face

Brown isnt 17 and 10 in the post season LEBRON is 17 and 10. The coach isnt helping this team win at all, its all Lebron and them being athletic. If they actually plugged a coach into that team they would be REAL tough. They cannot compete with the Spurs with Brown as the coach, Pops will outcoach him every single game.

The worst move he made last night was starting the game and the second half with Hughes. Hughes fired up 3 bricks to start the second, set the tone, and they promptly lost the lead, and nearly the game because of that bonehead move.

He also failed to take the lead into the half at 10, which should have been done. The play drawn up before the half as a last possession shot was nothing short of criminal.

We obviously disagree on Brown, but lets wait and see how this series and the finals play out before you apologize and tell me I was right.

Cannon any NBA contract is out of line, I think the front office has done a great job gettng guys who complient Lebron

Didn't Lindsay Hunter's tough 3 pointer at the end of the half have something to do with the lead not being 10?? How can you consistently ignore that there really is another team playing the game. Detroit is actually playing as well. So it is Brown's fault they messed up the last possession, but he had absolutely zero to do with the 50 points they scored?? I still don't get that logic. Actually it was tremendous coaching to start Hughes...he hit his first shot and it was the catalyst to get them through the game...sort of a Willis Reed moment at the Q!!! LeBron is 17-10, Brown is 17-10, Newble is 17-10, Pollard is 10-4. I'm not going to apologize if they lose the next two by 50 points. This is still the farthest any Cav team has ever gone. It will be their first game ever played in June on Saturday.

Do you think the Wilkins coached Cavs beat this Cavs team

You mean that money spent on the Damon Jones signing wasn't well spent!!! C'mon, quit spoiling this Cavs love fest!!

I have no idea. I don't know how to compare the teams now to teams of the 90s to teams of the 80s to teams of the 70s. Defenses were different then, you had to play straight man. Doubles weren't as often. Zones were illegal. So I have no clue. Those teams could shoot however...every last one of them.

DebODeb should be Clevelands coach.


But if Thebby was Detroits coach she would just dart her.








I don't want Thebby as Detroits coach.

I met Rasheed Wallace his senior year at Simon Gratz. I was at a nearby rec center after Sonny Hill camp with my older brother. Sheed was playing by himself when we asked him to be our 3rd member of a 3 on 3. He said yes, but told us he had to do something real quick. He runs away and comes back with a bucket full of red stuff. He wet his hand, dipped it in the bucket, and proceeded to take a run at the rim. His handprint is still up at Jardel, at the very top of the backboard. We were in awe, as he was telling us his plans to go to UNC. Long story short, we played against two older gentlemen and one of their kids. My brother called a questionable foul, which the older guy didnt take well to. Next play, the old dude floors my brother and said " now thats a foul .. Rasheed beat the $hit out of dude. He charged him, tackled him, and continued to beat him in front of his crying son. He got up and said "Now thats a foul"...Needless to say, game over.. Will never forget that as long as I live.

I understand that the Bid is a Cavs fan but his assessment of almost everything in this series seems wrong.
First of all, the Cavs offense is so bogged down because they have players that whose strengths dont particularly mesh well. Hughes (though I will give him a break for playing hurt) needs movement on offense to be effective but is the only starter that wants to play that type of game. Gooden looked effective burying the baseline jumpers but he is wildly inconsistent and Detroit failed to adjust and force him deeper where he is not effective. Ilguagksas is only effective in as a post player when he gets the ball on the block or as a catch and shoot spot up player with 18 feet as the limit to his range. He can not run at all. Marshall is a soft spot up 3 point shooter who if he is off gives you almost nothing. Gibson is a good player, slasher type that shoots well. His problem is on the other end where he is simply too small to match up with Detroits guards. Snow has never been a good offensive player but he can matchup with stronger guards. But his offense is so poor and his foot speed is so slow it is a crime that they are paying him like $9million a year. (I think he is signed through next year too:eek: ) Pavolvik is a streaky shooter who can create problems with his athleticism and size but make a lot of bad plays. On d he is caught gambling alot. Verajo has pretty much no offensive strength other than offensive rebounding though he is a good, active defender who seems to get his hands on alot of balls.
One problem I have with Mike Brown is his insistence on playing Damon Jones at all. At least Snow can play effective defense and knows not to shoot. Jones is an awful player. No positives on either side of the ball.

Detroit has so much focus on Lebron that they have left Gooden almost unguarded the whole series. They seem to get discouraged by Cleveland not falling into the trap of running with them which will open the lanes up for Detroits slashers.I cant for the life of me understand how Prince isnt scoring 30 points a game. Cleveland has no answer for him on defense. It is the best match up advantage that Detroit has on Cleveland. Force the Cavs to play Lebron on him and run him from baseline to baseline. But they keep letting Lebron off the hook by not going after him on D. He is constantly resting on D and there is no way he can play big minutes and do what he needs to do on the offensive end and chase Prince all over the court too. When Gibson was on the court there was no excuse for Hamilton to not post him and make Cleveland go to a zone. Gibson was getting torched by Billips early until they changed up and had him shadow Hamilton. But Hamilton is too big for Gibson to handle . THAT was bad coaching by not continuing to abuse the rookie.

Cleveland is quicker than Detroit and they are getting to more loose balls and rebounds and that has really been the reason that this series has been so close. Webber has done almost nothing, Rasheed has been playing in spurts, Billips has been inconsistent (though no where near as bad as the announcers have made out) Hamilton has not been the focal point of the offense despite seemingly favorable matchups with Gibson and a hurting Hughes. Prince was not hitting anything the first 2 games but has been under utilized. Maxiel is a quicker, athletic front court player that matches up well with Clevelands front line guys but is a raw player on both ends. Mcdyess has been strong at times but seems to be out of the game for long stretches.

I cant understand why anyone would be upset wih Mike Brown, Lebron James or the Cleveland Cavs. They are a very limited team playing a better, more experienced team straightup. If Marshall wasn't a stiff they would be up 3-1.

Is there a worse announcer than Doug Collins? No wonder MJ hated him.

Me, you, ppdgn, Morty and Byk could complement Lebron. They have put together an unworkable team that is somehow working. They have 2 important, underpaid guys with expiring contracts (varejo and pavovic) and are going to pay Hughes and Snow a combined $24 mill next year. The salary cap implications are not good.

those guys are pretty old now

he may be in the Doc Rivers, Isiah category