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Mortimer 05-25-2007 12:17 PM

Nice to see you giving up. You have no ability to keep up with me, and never will. REading comprehension 101. An ability you lack.
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horseofcourse 05-25-2007 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy
Silly, silly man. Before LeBron got to Cleveland the team hadn't had a 30 win season in over 3 years. The team was 15-67 the season before LeBron got there. In two years he had them over .500. They have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years after having not won one since 1993. They have back to back 50 win seasons for only the second time in close to 40 years in existence.

HE hit not one, but two game winning shots in the playoffs last year. At age 22, LeBron has 15 playoff wins...I think at that age, Bird and Jordan had a total of zero combined.

Why bother with facts when making things up is so much better
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me saying "he had them over .500" is not the same as saying he is solely responsible for their improvement. I could say Mike Brown got them to 50 wins last year, and that doesn't mean Mike Brown is the only reason they got to 50 wins. Try again, brutus.

horseofcourse 05-25-2007 12:20 PM

why do I trouble you so much mortimer?? what is it about me??

Mortimer 05-25-2007 12:20 PM

Fo radies......you give MainCos 2 dollah........he become Fled Galvin....mayer plostitute.....he rove you rong time.

horseofcourse 05-25-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy
Fo radies......you give MainCos 2 dollah........he become Fled Galvin....mayer plostitute.....he rove you rong time.

Better effort but still pales compared to my efforts.

horseofcourse 05-25-2007 12:25 PM

Enjoy the Dr Phil show today mortimer, can't say it will be much help however. Maybe a synoptic friend will be on the show for you.

Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
I think Ilgauskas is a guy you could do that stuff with...but he was on the bench becuase Verajao got minutes with his play.

Ilgaugkas is a post up or spot up player, not very mobile. Has a nice touch but not the guy you want putting the ball on the floor in that situation.

Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
The Cavs got a shot from LeBron, a wide open 8 footer from Hughes, and a tip attempt from Verajao on that possession. What on earth more could you ask for??/ If Detroit gets the rebound there are 6 seconds left, and a quick foul and they do get a second possession. AFter 2 shots...a tip in and a Detroit rebound there were still close to 2 seconds left in the game when the foul was committed. The TNT guys are clueless and clueless at times. They are flat out wrong analyzing the last possession.

The shots they got were much better than if they throw the ball in and whip up a wild 3 pointer in 2 seconds just to lengthen the game.

Very true. They got a good posession. They got 2 very makable shots and a tip attempt. There surely could have been a foul called on Hamilton. Hughes makes the shot and everything is forgotten.

Mortimer 05-25-2007 02:06 PM

Ilgaugkas is a post up or spot up player, not very mobile. Has a nice touch but not the guy you want putting the ball on the floor in that situation.
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horseofcourse 05-25-2007 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Ilgaugkas is a post up or spot up player, not very mobile. Has a nice touch but not the guy you want putting the ball on the floor in that situation.

I was talking pick and roll...spotting up for a 15-20 footer.

Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Hes hands down the worst coach in the league.

Leaves no time on the clock to foul or get the ball back if they miss. They run down the last 14 seconds with Lebron at the top of the key taking a shot into a triple team. They did a hell of a job drawing that one up, that used to be my favorite shot on the playground.

They could have hired Van Gundy but I dont think they thought he would "jive" with the young, hip, Lebron. Instead they hire Brown who is a complete buffoon. Really miss Lenny Wilkins

Mike Brown coaching record
Regular season 100-64
Playoffs 15-11

The last 24 years Lenny Wilkins coached, his teams made the NBA finals exactly zero times. His lifetime playoff record is 80-98. His record as in the playoffs as a Cavs coach was 18-23. I may not be the expert in Cleveland sports lore that Morty is but I would say that Lenny was dealt a much better hand with Price, Dougherty, Nance, Ron Harper, Elho, and Hot Rod Williams than Brown's current roster.

And Van Gundy did a bang up job with the Rockets in the Playoffs.

Plus you lose many points by not admitting that Isiah is by far the worst coach in the league not named Doc Rivers. Unless you like a lot of other people dont consider the Knicks and Celts part of the NBA any more.

I'm sure you guys will disagree but I think that Brown has outcoached Flipper this series and is unlucky to not be up 2-0.

I really love the theory that if you shoot quick you have a better chance to win. If you are down one and make you give the other team another chance to win. If you are down one and miss and foul you are most likely needing a 3 to tie. I would love to see the probability on teams under 10 seconds in the playoffs, down three points that win or tie. maybe 3%?
They were playing to win the game. If either shot goes in they win. If they dont then they lose. Pretty simple. I'm pretty sure any playoff underdog on the road would love to be in the situation of controlling their own destiny with one last play.

Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
I was talking pick and roll...spotting up for a 15-20 footer.

You want a 20 footer from Ilgaugukas as your final play?

Mortimer 05-25-2007 02:28 PM

Mike Brown coaching record
Regular season 100-64
Playoffs 15-11

The last 24 years Lenny Wilkins coached, his teams made the NBA finals exactly zero times. His lifetime playoff record is 80-98. His record as in the playoffs as a Cavs coach was 18-23. I may not be the expert in Cleveland sports lore that Morty is but I would say that Lenny was dealt a much better hand with Price, Dougherty, Nance, Ron Harper, Elho, and Hot Rod Williams than Brown's current roster.
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Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
The RULES have changed since the aforementioned. You had to play man up in the Magic/Bird era. Riley got wise and played a semizone causing a technical if one was not close enough to his man. This was very hard to interpret, went thru some changes so now we have a game where a team CAN PLAY ZONE. They just cant stay in the lane 3 seconds. This has changed the way the game is played compared to the 80's a great deal.

We really must understand this (Hubie Brown). So what I believe we have seen is 3 point shooters become more valuable to crack a zone apart. And defense requires more mobile big men. A big shot blocker cannot just stand in the lane on defense anymore. imo, a player like Jason Kapono is in the league for one reason. And there are some very poor basketball talented yet mobile big men, close to my heart here would be Fransisco Elson.

Plus in the Salary cap era those teams would have never been able to stay together

horseofcourse 05-25-2007 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You want a 20 footer from Ilgaugukas as your final play?

no (would prefer 15 footer!)...just an option for a play when the double or triple to LeBron comes...I would want a 20 footer from him over Hughes, Gooden, Marshall, Pavlovic etc.

Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
If the play wasnt drawn up as a last possession play probably about 8 seconds. Lebron dribbled around at the top of the key before driving into a triple team and missing. Youre not going to get a foul called in that situation, so why force a bad shot. They should have taken a decent shot, and got the board, fouled, etc. My arguement is that the play was drawn up as a final possession play like it was a tie. Sure you can get lucky and get a tip, or get a second shot by Larry Hughes who cant hit the broad side of a barn, however thats not what you are looking for. In that spot they should have been trying to get an open look and had something to fall back on. Not shoot from the hip and prayed for a tip, or hughes to hit a shot he hasnt hit all year.

And what play would you have run? Did you think that Detroit was going to let them get a "decent" shot? Why doesn't anyone talk about the great D played by Hamilton? He played that as well as it is possible to play it. He hampered the shot attempt with his arms across James arm without making it look like a certain foul. Stood his ground without moving towards the offensive player. Perfect d.

What "open look" were they going to get and for whom? Anderson? Hughes?

Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse
no (would prefer 15 footer!)...just an option for a play when the double or triple to LeBron comes...I would want a 20 footer from him over Hughes, Gooden, Marshall, Pavlovic etc.

They did not execute. Simple as that. The play calling is moot. If you dont make shots you lose. Despite Mortys pleas to the contrary there are no appealing options for Cleveland in a half court set under those conditions.

Cannon Shell 05-25-2007 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Come on. I tend to think a better coach might have something better drawn up for that. I'm not saying he's the sole reason they lost, but call me crazy, i don't think Phil Jackson or Pat Riley calls that play late.

Oh by the way Pat Riley was the godfather of the Pistons/Cavs series style of games. His Knicks of the 90's made thug ball popular

horseofcourse 05-25-2007 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Mike Brown coaching record
Regular season 100-64
Playoffs 15-11

The last 24 years Lenny Wilkins coached, his teams made the NBA finals exactly zero times. His lifetime playoff record is 80-98. His record as in the playoffs as a Cavs coach was 18-23. I may not be the expert in Cleveland sports lore that Morty is but I would say that Lenny was dealt a much better hand with Price, Dougherty, Nance, Ron Harper, Elho, and Hot Rod Williams than Brown's current roster.

And Van Gundy did a bang up job with the Rockets in the Playoffs.

Plus you lose many points by not admitting that Isiah is by far the worst coach in the league not named Doc Rivers. Unless you like a lot of other people dont consider the Knicks and Celts part of the NBA any more.

I'm sure you guys will disagree but I think that Brown has outcoached Flipper this series and is unlucky to not be up 2-0.

I really love the theory that if you shoot quick you have a better chance to win. If you are down one and make you give the other team another chance to win. If you are down one and miss and foul you are most likely needing a 3 to tie. I would love to see the probability on teams under 10 seconds in the playoffs, down three points that win or tie. maybe 3%?
They were playing to win the game. If either shot goes in they win. If they dont then they lose. Pretty simple. I'm pretty sure any playoff underdog on the road would love to be in the situation of controlling their own destiny with one last play.

I'm not sure where the Brown is a terrible coach idea came from. This is the farthest a Cavalier team has ever gone. The '76 version under Fitch I believe was the best of the bunch and I feel would have won a title had not Chones broke his foot in practice before the Eastern finals. They were the best team in basketball come playoff time and still took Boston to 6 games without their leading scorer. They would have played a 42 win Phoenix team in the finals that year. The Wilkens teams were incredibly offensively talented with great shooting percentages and efficient offenses, but were peaking during the peak Jordan years which is an excuse Brown doesnt' have that Wilkens did. They still should have advanced to more than 1 conference final in his time.

Brown's first two years are by far and away the best first two years in the history of Cleveland the last 40 years. I mean Flip Murray was a key member on last year's team, and you see how much playing time he is garnering in Detroit this playoff season.

horseofcourse 05-25-2007 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
And what play would you have run? Did you think that Detroit was going to let them get a "decent" shot? Why doesn't anyone talk about the great D played by Hamilton? He played that as well as it is possible to play it. He hampered the shot attempt with his arms across James arm without making it look like a certain foul. Stood his ground without moving towards the offensive player. Perfect d.

What "open look" were they going to get and for whom? Anderson? Hughes?

Again, I'm not sure why people on this forum think it is "easy" to get stuff against Detroit's defense. It never is and never has been. The opportunities they had the first two games are about as good as you can possibly get against that team.


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