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Cajungator26 04-09-2007 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
Maybe I didn't make myself entirely clear. I AGREE with you that it's not right to use those words either within or outside the community. The little experiment with making them mainstream to kind of take the sting out of the original meaning just hasn't worked. They've retained their original ugliness.

I was trying to explain that anyone from outside the community is really getting into very deep trouble.

K, sorry for misunderstanding. It just stinks to see members from a certain race slurring words like 'nigg*r' and it's OK, but if someone from outside that race says the words, that particular race is rushing to proclaim the other person as a racist. It's so much easier just avoiding the term all together. It's a crying shame we can't all just get along and accept one another for the people that we are instead of the color of the skin.

Cajungator26 04-09-2007 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
The stone met a laser and lost. I am on the mend and feel OK...not 100%, but much better than before and getting better every day.

Oh goodie... you'll be useful soon enough! :eek:

Grits 04-09-2007 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
Agreed. But you are assuming I was referring to Don Imus...which is not necessarily the case. :D



The stone met a laser and lost. I am on the mend and feel OK...not 100%, but much better than before and getting better every day.

I'm glad that you feel better. You were in a heap of pain, I'm sure.

I don't worry too much about the Imus' of the world, or others that they anger. Concern me, yes; worry me, no. Actually its all I can handle to keep on top of my own business, and my own thoughts.

Again, glad you are feeling better.

Downthestretch55 04-09-2007 02:29 PM

Update...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/bu...d-imus.html?hp

Cannon Shell 04-09-2007 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Interesting...how this thread proved something.
When it started, someone said to not take offense.
Then later, when the same someone thought I was taking a shot at him, he took offense (nevermind the unconnected name-calling). Then to defense mode. Yada yada yada.
It only proved my point. Go back and reread this thread from the first page and you might see for yourself.
Now, back to Imus...he'll be on Sharpton's radio show. He also wants to meet the Rutgers Women's BB team to apologize "face to face".
My best guess is that if he had the opportunity to take back his words, he would. Unfortunately for him, it might be too late.
Racism and sexism are not going to go unnoticed, and certainly not unchallenged.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/sleza...arol08.article

I certainly did not take offense nor did I call anyone a name unless you count "lefty" as namecalling but if you truly are a liberal it should not be considered offensive. I merely countered your potshot at me which was based upon personal innuendo rather than based upon any topical subject. By no means was I ofnded as a matter of fact I thought it was funny that you would resort to such tactics. I stand by my original post which basically says why are these things made into bigger issues than they should be? I'm far from worried that the Rutgers womans basketball team will be scarred or offended. We spend far too much time worrying about stupidity like this. Fact is that we as a society have grown far too politically correct and the particualrs of this case are further proof of this. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with those that are offended by Imus comments but those who believe in freedom of speech and other pillars of the constitution should stand up and say that people who say stupid things have rights too.

Cannon Shell 04-09-2007 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by byalip
One more thing...

Did you know that one of the women Imus insulted has a straight 4.0 average and another has a triple major? To reduce these scholar-athletes to a racist stereotype simply for entertainment is reprehensible.

I'd like to hear Imus say what he said to these girls' fathers and see what reaction he gets. Do you honestly think they'd find it funny?

Please. Do you think that future employers will use Imus comments to some how discriminate against these women? How is it tangibly harmful to these people? Get over it. Stop being so serious. Have the Washington Redskins really harmed Native Americans? Was any one person singled out and ridiculed? It was a joke, a bad one but that's life.

Grits 04-09-2007 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Was any one person singled out and ridiculed? It was a joke, a bad one but that's life.

Cannon, I'm not sure whether you read the NYPost article, the NYTimes update with the interview this afternoon between Rev.Al Sharpton and Don Imus, but this is a very REAL concern for a many, many people including MSNBC and NBC, and CBS Radio the owners of Imus's WFAN.

In other words, I believe this is more of a problem than simplifying it as "a bad joke and that's life."

This isn't about political correctness, nor.....who does it harm?

Obviously, its harming a great number of people, not the least of which should be, and is Don Imus.

Cajungator26 04-09-2007 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
Isn't this racist as well? Just because he is hispanic, we're gonna ask, even if joking, whether he is an illegal immigrant?

Shut up, you phucking racist. :rolleyes:

Downthestretch55 04-09-2007 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I certainly did not take offense nor did I call anyone a name unless you count "lefty" as namecalling but if you truly are a liberal it should not be considered offensive. I merely countered your potshot at me which was based upon personal innuendo rather than based upon any topical subject. By no means was I ofnded as a matter of fact I thought it was funny that you would resort to such tactics. I stand by my original post which basically says why are these things made into bigger issues than they should be? I'm far from worried that the Rutgers womans basketball team will be scarred or offended. We spend far too much time worrying about stupidity like this. Fact is that we as a society have grown far too politically correct and the particualrs of this case are further proof of this. I am not saying that I agree or disagree with those that are offended by Imus comments but those who believe in freedom of speech and other pillars of the constitution should stand up and say that people who say stupid things have rights too.

Go back and read what I said. I stand by my words.
I never mentioned your name nor called you one.
Freedom of speech does not include "hate speech", see FCC regs.
I agree that people that "stupid things" should have their say, and also be called out for their stupidity.
Apologies??? Later. "Resignation"? OK
Excuses...see my previous quote.
Justification? Nope!

Cannon Shell 04-09-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
Cannon, I'm not sure whether you read the NYPost article, the NYTimes update with the interview this afternoon between Rev.Al Sharpton and Don Imus, but this is a very REAL concern for a many, many people including MSNBC and NBC, and CBS Radio the owners of Imus's WFAN.

In other words, I believe this is more of a problem than simplifying it as "a bad joke and that's life."

This isn't about political correctness, nor.....who does it harm?

Obviously, its harming a great number of people, not the least of which should be, and is Don Imus.

Anna Nicole was a big story too. Dont confuse a "big" story with an important story. Imus is a guy who has taken shots and pissed off literally thousands of people. He is a big name. His name gives this story legs, period. That does not make it right. If jj graci had said the same thing on ATRAB would there be the same outrage? Of course not. And if this is not about political correctness then what is it about?

Grits 04-09-2007 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

As an aside, if I was training horses (which I'm not at the track),and if my 2007 stats were 32 starts, 4-4-4, 12% wins and 37% ITM, I'd be paying a lot more attention to the training of the horses rather than making excuses for the racist remarks of others]

This is where your remarks got cheap and took a real nosedive.

This was totally . . . completely without merit, and lent quite little to the discussion. I don't care whether you stated the trainers name or not.

This was cheap. This was your mistake DTS.

Grits 04-09-2007 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Anna Nicole was a big story too. Dont confuse a "big" story with an important story. Imus is a guy who has taken shots and pissed off literally thousands of people. He is a big name. His name gives this story legs, period. That does not make it right. If jj graci had said the same thing on ATRAB would there be the same outrage? Of course not. And if this is not about political correctness then what is it about?

I'm not going to get deeper into this fight. We don't agree Chuck, this is an important story, and to me it is one about racist remarks and this is something we've long had problems with in our country. Mr.Imus did not help that problem.

Cannon Shell 04-09-2007 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Go back and read what I said. I stand by my words.
I never mentioned your name nor called you one.
Freedom of speech does not include "hate speech", see FCC regs.
I agree that people that "stupid things" should have their say, and also be called out for their stupidity.
Apologies??? Later. "Resignation"? OK
Excuses...see my previous quote.
Justification? Nope!

I would hardly classify what he said as "hate speech". And if you stand by your words then why did you attempt to apologize? I have no problem with you but I think that people who turn bs like this into "racism" and "hate speech" are being petty and vindictive.
I'll say again, why can people call the president of the US names and say he is stupid and a criminal and it is ok but a shock jock says that a womans basketball team is nappy and thugish during a comedy bit and it is a criminal offense? Bill Maher and Bill O'Reilly both regularly say worse than this and no one pays attention.

Cajungator26 04-09-2007 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
This is where your remarks got cheap and took a real nosedive.

This was totally . . . completely without merit, and lent quite little to the discussion. I don't care whether you stated the trainers name or not.

This was cheap. This was your mistake DTS.

Agreed... pretty classless of him.

Cannon Shell 04-09-2007 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Grits
I'm not going to get deeper into this fight. We don't agree Chuck, this is an important story, and to me it is one about racist remarks and this is something we've long had problems with in our country. Mr.Imus did not help that problem.

Actually the side that make this into a big deal is making the situation worse. People who are racist are going to be racist no matter what anyone in the media says. But when people like Sharpton get people riled up over this bs then you see trouble brewing.

Cajungator26 04-09-2007 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
Not to mention, the "I didn't mention your name" defense is pretty cowardly. But, at this point, what should we really expect from the honorable (sic) Mr. DTS?

No knocks on anyone here, but if you have to resort to stating trainer stats in order to get your opinion across, then you've got a real problem.

I think some of the members need to think before they post and realize that disagreeing is OK... there's no need to resort to that kind of shiat. JMO.


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