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GenuineRisk 04-01-2007 12:03 AM

After all my bragging about my OTB channel showing the races, my DVR didn't tape either it or ABC (Why God? What have I done? Why must you curse me this way? But I thank you, God, for not breaking my DVR until Battlestar Galactica was over for the season. Truly you are merciful sometimes).

So-- it was a heck of a challenge, going to NTRA and clicking on the race without accidentally seeing who won it. But I managed to keep from seeing the outcome before seeing the race and now my neighbors are scared about the screaming coming from my apartment at 1AM. :) Couldn't be happier with the outcome. Now all I can hope for is the Sheik's desire to have a two-time BCC winner...

Danzig 04-01-2007 01:18 AM

just read that invasors time was the second fastest in the races history, 1.59 and change, only dubai millenium ran it faster.
they're hoping to bring him back in the suburban. if he manages to repeat in the bcc, he'll pass cigar on the earnings list.

brockguy 04-01-2007 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
It had nothing to do with the jockey. DC is a glass horse, a talented and but fragile horse. I wouldn't be surprised if that's it for him, something had to happen. I still don't think he beats Invasor on his best day. Invasor is a tremendous horse, I think he won on guts alone, he didn't look like he had much of a burst at the end, he just broke Premium Tap's heart.


I think it was Tap who was running on guts alone at the end.. Invasor is a like a train at the end of his races..he builds up momentum for a few furlongs and at the end, he is literally flying, he doesnt have the flashy instant bursts like others, but his way of running is so effective!!

ArlJim78 04-01-2007 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
I think it was Tap who was running on guts alone at the end.. Invasor is a like a train at the end of his races..he builds up momentum for a few furlongs and at the end, he is literally flying, he doesnt have the flashy instant bursts like others, but his way of running is so effective!!

You have to remember, some people are slow to catch on to these obvious things. He has the best running style I have ever seen. He is like a train, he gets going and is unstoppable and he never seems to get tired.

Pointg5 04-01-2007 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
You have to remember, some people are slow to catch on to these obvious things. He has the best running style I have ever seen. He is like a train, he gets going and is unstoppable and he never seems to get tired.

He wasn't rolling like he usually does, I think he despises that track, but tries so hard. If you think that was a normal run for Invasor, I think you might want to watch that race again.

brianwspencer 04-01-2007 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
He wasn't rolling like he usually does, I think he despises that track, but tries so hard. If you think that was a normal run for Invasor, I think you might want to watch that race again.

I don't see how that race was any different than his others. If he "wasn't rolling" and still ran the second fastest World Cup (behind the GREAT Dubai Millenium), I can't even imagine what he would have run if he had been running his "normal" race. What? Fifty lengths and a 1:52 flat?

He looked like he was going perfectly normally to me. Sitting off the leaders, coming to the leaders, wearing the leaders down. It's his MO, in fact.

ArlJim78 04-01-2007 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
He wasn't rolling like he usually does, I think he despises that track, but tries so hard. If you think that was a normal run for Invasor, I think you might want to watch that race again.

Have watched it, you see something different than I do, and frankly something that wasn't there.

why was it not normal? what is the evidence that he despises the track?
define "not rolling like he usually does". Are aware of how fast the time was? I can't wait to see the various speed figures for that race.

It was the race last year that was not the real Invasor for whatever reason.

ArlJim78 04-01-2007 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I don't see how that race was any different than his others. If he "wasn't rolling" and still ran the second fastest World Cup (behind the GREAT Dubai Millenium), I can't even imagine what he would have run if he had been running his "normal" race. What? Fifty lengths and a 1:52 flat?

He looked like he was going perfectly normally to me. Sitting off the leaders, coming to the leaders, wearing the leaders down. It's his MO, in fact.

It is incredible, this horse causes huge blind spots in the racing community.
Most have been horribly slow to see the positives, and now others are seeing negatives that don't exist.

We've talked about this so many times, but compare this climate to the Bernardini fanfare all last year.
I mean where are all the threads titled "IS INVASOR the greatest horse in the past 25 years???"

Instead its like "ho hum, I don't think he was rolling the normal way"

okay, too funny!!!!

Pointg5 04-01-2007 09:15 AM

I guess you don't understand, I love Invasor. He's my favorite horse right now, I was in no way dissing his race yesterday, I loved it.

Go back and watch some of his other races, he was not moving the same way. He's had one loss and it was at that track.

I guess I shouldn't expect much out of you, because you're such a dumba$$ that you can't even tell I was admiring Invasor.

brockguy 04-01-2007 09:18 AM

I dont think they went that quick early on.. so i was very surprised with the finishing time..

Don't know too much about dirt racing, but Invasor must be one of the fastest finishers in recent years.. As I said, he's like a train and just builds up some momentum!!

brianwspencer 04-01-2007 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
It is incredible, this horse causes huge blind spots in the racing community.
Most have been horribly slow to see the positives, and now others are seeing negatives that don't exist.

We've talked about this so many times, but compare this climate to the Bernardini fanfare all last year.
I mean where are all the threads titled "IS INVASOR the greatest horse in the past 25 years???"

Instead its like "ho hum, I don't think he was rolling the normal way"

okay, too funny!!!!

Dude I agree. Sadly, the days of getting good prices on him are over and done with, but at least I cleaned up when they were good. I agree though, with horses like 'Cat and Bernardini, we're (read, not us) quick to ask questions like "BEST HORSE IN THE WORLD?!'" "NEXT SECRETARIAT" "FASTER THAN EASY GOER?!" before they've really done anything of note at all.

Yet somehow people are still hesitant to give Invasor all the credit he deserves. He is a GREAT racehorse, and one of the best ones to come along in some time.

Pointg5 04-01-2007 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Dude I agree. Sadly, the days of getting good prices on him are over and done with, but at least I cleaned up when they were good. I agree though, with horses like 'Cat and Bernardini, we're (read, not us) quick to ask questions like "BEST HORSE IN THE WORLD?!'" "NEXT SECRETARIAT" "FASTER THAN EASY GOER?!" before they've really done anything of note at all.

Yet somehow people are still hesitant to give Invasor all the credit he deserves. He is a GREAT racehorse, and one of the best ones to come along in some time.

Another dumba$$, that can't interpret...

brianwspencer 04-01-2007 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Another dumba$$, that can't interpret...

I was done talking about your post after my last post. Stop taking it so personally.

I'm not "interpreting" anything in this thread, but pointing out how people have responded (repeat, "people," not "that guy pointg5").

So with that, if I were you I'd reconsider who's calling who a "dumba$$" here, buddy.

Pointg5 04-01-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
I was done talking about your post after my last post. Stop taking it so personally.

I'm not "interpreting" anything in this thread, but pointing out how people have responded (repeat, "people," not "that guy pointg5").

So with that, if I were you I'd reconsider who's calling who a "dumba$$" here, buddy.

You seemed just fine to chime in on it before, so I didn't think this was different. Maybe you aren't a dumba$$.

brianwspencer 04-01-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
Maybe you aren't a dumba$$.

Obviously.

Pointg5 04-01-2007 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Obviously.

The jury is still out.

ArlJim78 04-01-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
I guess you don't understand, I love Invasor. He's my favorite horse right now, I was in no way dissing his race yesterday, I loved it.

Go back and watch some of his other races, he was not moving the same way. He's had one loss and it was at that track.

I guess I shouldn't expect much out of you, because you're such a dumba$$ that you can't even tell I was admiring Invasor.

Okay so you admire Invasor, good for you. That wasn't my main point to you which is that you don't know what you're talking about and can't define any of the comments you made about not rolling and how it was not normal.

Many people like yourself just spew out words in a effort to appear like they really know something. But when you probe them a bit you find out that the thoughts were based on faulty reasoning, failed to employ logic, or were simply not thought out that well at all. With you it's probably a blend of these elements.

Since you also immediately when challenged resort to name calling, my conclusion is that you have nothing to offer and are simply an angry unpleasant person and not one that I want to waste any further time on.

Sightseek 04-01-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
You have to remember, some people are slow to catch on to these obvious things. He has the best running style I have ever seen. He is like a train, he gets going and is unstoppable and he never seems to get tired.

Stay away from the other forum then because over there Invasor isn't that impressive. :rolleyes:

Danzig 04-01-2007 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Stay away from the other forum then because over there Invasor isn't that impressive. :rolleyes:

not sure what forum that is, but that sounds crazy! how can anyone not be impressed with invasor? i guess he isn't 'thrilling' enough for some, doesn't close out of the clouds with a rush, just catching the leaders at the wire, and giving everyone a heart attack...he doesn't explode out of the turn with a huge burst.
yet, he wins-all but once, champion on three continents and best horse in the world--but some aren't impressed.
that is sheer lunacy-and a perfect example of ignoring what's right in front of your nose!

Sightseek 04-01-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
not sure what forum that is, but that sounds crazy! how can anyone not be impressed with invasor? i guess he isn't 'thrilling' enough for some, doesn't close out of the clouds with a rush, just catching the leaders at the wire, and giving everyone a heart attack...he doesn't explode out of the turn with a huge burst.
yet, he wins-all but once, champion on three continents and best horse in the world--but some aren't impressed.
that is sheer lunacy-and a perfect example of ignoring what's right in front of your nose!

Yeah somehow his campaign just isn't enough for them.


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