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GPK 03-29-2007 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Coa is his own worst enemy. He is a terrific talent, and has a likely big career ahead of him, but he gets hotheaded and does dangerous things. This MO has followed him for over a decade. I believe it has definitely kept him from riding a lot of more high profile horses.


It is a shame Andy. It's painfully obvious the guy has immense talent, but until he cools his heels and learns to ride without so much wasted emotion, he will continue to go without that high profile horse.

When his head is in the ballgame...hes top notch. When he does sh*t like Sunday...he just leaves you scratching your head.

Cajungator26 03-29-2007 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
actually it does not matter what coa perceived...there is no situation in which it is okay to put horses and riders at risk for injury to settle a score.

Exactly... if he needs to settle it, he can wait until after he has dismounted. It's unbelievable that there are people who believe it to be acceptable for him to retaliate. I don't care if Martin hit him over the head with a sledgehammer... he has no right to put other horses and riders in danger.

GPK 03-29-2007 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Why do I need to see the replay. BTW did a great job of giving me a visual. Again, I agree that Coa and Martin should be suspended. I think it should have been longer. I dont know what I think this is such a big deal.


I think what we are trying to portray to you is the fact that they both got the same amount of days is what is mind boggling to us. If they want to give Martin a couple days for "careless riding", so be it. But for the stewards to actually think they both deserve the same suspension...it just flat bullsh*t and speaks volumes for their competancy in the job they are doing.

Cajungator26 03-29-2007 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Why is Coa wrong but not Martin? How do we know that Martin didn't do what he did on purpose?

Who cares at that point? It's up to Coa to be an adult and not take it out on the track! He put other people (and horses) in danger.

blackthroatedwind 03-29-2007 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I think what we are trying to portray to you is the fact that they both got the same amount of days is what is mind boggling to us. If they want to give Martin a couple days for "careless riding", so be it. But for the stewards to actually think they both deserve the same suspension...it just flat bullsh*t and speaks volumes for their competancy in the job they are doing.


Thank you for clarifying what seems to be being missed by some.

whodey17 03-29-2007 12:23 AM

Ok I understand here.....I am defending the decision to suspend Martin. If Martin's horse never came out to force Coa to check then Coa would never had lost his cool and did what he did. One action caused another action. This is why I think the Stewards suspended Martin as well. So what I am saying is that the stewards prob looked at this and thought that Coa wouldnt have acted like he did if Martin's horse didnt cause him to check. Does this make sense here.

whodey17 03-29-2007 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
This right here does it for me. How can you have an opinion on something like this without seeing it?

So a blind man can never have an opinion. That seems reasonable.

blackthroatedwind 03-29-2007 12:24 AM

What is also being lost here are the bettors. It is very possible the outcome of the race was altered by Coa's behavoir.

GPK 03-29-2007 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
Ok I understand here.....I am defending the decision to suspend Martin. If Martin's horse never came out to force Coa to check then Coa would never had lost his cool and did what he did. One action caused another action. This is why I think the Stewards suspended Martin as well. So what I am saying is that the stewards prob looked at this and thought that Coa wouldnt have acted like he did if Martin's horse didnt cause him to check. Does this make sense here.


See post #84

whodey17 03-29-2007 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
What is also being lost here are the bettors. It is very possible the outcome of the race was altered by Coa's behavoir.

Now that is a very good point.

GPK 03-29-2007 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
What is also being lost here are the bettors. It is very possible the outcome of the race was altered by Coa's behavoir.


Andy, why do you think they left Ice up for show? I guess they felt the outcome of the race wouldn't have changed had the incident not occured?

whodey17 03-29-2007 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
See post #84

I think both should have rec'd 30 days. I do not see where one should have rec'd more days than the other.

whodey17 03-29-2007 12:29 AM

You are the one that said how I can have an opinion without seeing something. If I was blind I couldnt have an opinion on this since I cannot see the video.

GPK 03-29-2007 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
I think both should have rec'd 30 days. I do not see where one should have rec'd more days than the other.


You are next in line for a stewards job with the NYRA if you actually think that....

Cajungator26 03-29-2007 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by whodey17
You are the one that said how I can have an opinion without seeing something. If I was blind I couldnt have an opinion on this since I cannot see the video.

Actually, no. You'd have to rely on what other people told you, so your opinion would be skewed. :rolleyes:

You're obviously NOT blind, though, so you COULD appease us and watch the replay. :p


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