Originally Posted by The Bid

I think they are talking about the jock Phil, not you Philcski

Originally Posted by oracle80

You know Euro, I may not agree with what people say sometimes, but at least they aren't complete bull****ters.
You 1) Live in Cincy, now you live in Indiana, which is it?
2) You say you arent an employee or have no vested interest in poly or Turfway yet you cited numbers in maintenance costs that aren't public, just as you did when you told of us Turfways opening day handle when it wasnt released to the public.

Nothing you say has any validity to me. You've made so many statements that contradict previous ones that how could they?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ah Phil!! A proud graduate of Ichabod Crane High School, a native of Valatie, NY.
I'm so tired of the bull****ters, I really am.
At least some of the trolls here are mean and trolls, but seem truthful.
Euro has made at least 100 contradictory statements and repeatedly denies connections to poly and Turfway, Keeneland, etc.
Yet hes been caught giving out handle numbers that we called on and were told were NOT public yet, and now hes got maintenace costs down to the percent.
Look, noone is gonna be crazy enough to try and discertain that non public info just to post it on a meesage board.
Not everything everyone says is gonna be truthful on a message board, but like to think that most folks here are telling the truth and I think most folks are, whether I agree with what they say or I don't.
But when a guy tells us he lives in different places, then hes got numbers on a place that aren't public, then hes outto dinner with three jocks, and hes calling Martin Collins "Marty" as if he knows him. Well I mean, please, spare me the bull****. Enough already.

Originally Posted by philcski

:D I'm aware of that, i was just commenting on the metroplex the oracle was referring to...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

It's about an hour and a half from Cincy to Indy...

Not only that, but Euro said that he had Bengals Season tickets, yet he was bummed about Indy losing...

This guy is KentuckyCherub, been saying it since this board started...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

It's about an hour and a half from Cincy to Indy...

Not only that, but Euro said that he had Bengals Season tickets, yet he was bummed about Indy losing...

This guy is KentuckyCherub, been saying it since this board started...

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look I don't care what people so in their free time. If they wanna get dressed up in litle bo peep suits and handcuffs etc, I dont really care.
But if you wanna come and talk and misrepresent what you are, thats bogus.
I know the tickets, etc, theres a lot more.
If you have a name or postition that prevents you fromo saying who you are, just say that, don't make up phony alter egos and lie.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Does this proposition entail my dressing up as Little Bo Peep? It's nothing of a sexual nature, I assure you.

Ok, now how I have misrepresented myself. I was a tire salesperson that got laid off from BF Goodrich. Opened my own store, sold them and now I am trying to figure out what to do. Jesus--what else do you want.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

The kickback is nothing at Turfway. I will admit that it looks bad on TV. However, I was at Turfway on Sunday and the kickback is really nothing. In fact, it is less severe than dirt. Ask any jock, the kickback (which there is) is like snow hitting you and then falling off. It isnt like pelts of dirt hitting you. That is the difference in kickback.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look, thats all fine, but I'm trying to figure out how you would have acess to figures that I tried to call and get(to test out how available they were) and they said at Turfway that they wern't for public knowledge.
Its a crock. Tell "marty" we said hello/.

Originally Posted by todko

Now, that's not the complete truth either. One jock told me "it was like asbestos". No, I can't tell the jock's name -- TP would ban the jock if they knew it. And last winter season when it was clotting up the jocks called a meeting about track safety. Softball sized chunks of it were flying 20 feet in the air.

I know -- I was there pal.

Stand by the rail after races and tell me horses don't have breathing issues after inhaling it.

Wait until this winter. You're in for a real treat.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

How does anyone get information that is not public? They typically no someone close to the situation. That is how I know. Just because you know someone who is close to the situation doesnt mean that you have a vested interest. If you want to call caring about the well-being of a freind as vested interest, then I guess I have one because I want my friend and his company to succeed.

Originally Posted by oracle80

OHHHHHH!!!! Now hes your friend?
You ****ing liar. I asked you that many times last year and you denied any connection. Exposed, next case please.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That would be a vested interest, Euro. I have no issue with you... I don't think you're Kycherub and quite frankly, I don't care if you are. It just seems to me that you are completely biased on the polytrack issue and it would be nice if you took a moment to look at the negatives as well...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That would be a vested interest, Euro. I have no issue with you... I don't think you're Kycherub and quite frankly, I don't care if you are. It just seems to me that you are completely biased on the polytrack issue and it would be nice if you took a moment to look at the negatives as well...

Originally Posted by oracle80

OHHHHHH!!!! Now hes your friend?
You ****ing liar. I asked you that many times last year and you denied any connection. Exposed, next case please.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Incredible, you deny any connection with the stuff a million times and now you talk about teh guy being your friend.
I knew it, I proclaimed it, and all your fair and unbiased views just **** the bed.

Originally Posted by todko

Even if the success is built on misinformation and lies?

Look at Enron. How many lives were destroyed because people like you wanted "their friends" to succeed?

Frankly, if one of my friends is lying and cheating other people, that SOB is automatically no longer my friend.

And also, what was the problem with the track that held up the second race after the horse broke down in the first race? The jocks complained about it -- didn't they? It was uneven and unsafe. Wait until you get a typical January. That track won't hold up.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I was at the rail on Sunday and I had two horses run and both scoped out clean and didnt have any breathing problems. I can only go by what my horses show and what the trainer and jock states. I am not happy with the amount of kickback because I think it should be less. However, it isnt as bad as it looks on TV is all I am saying. Can it improve---YES. Should it improve---YES.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

whos his friend

Originally Posted by todko

What caused you to scope both horses? You like paying vet bills or something?

Originally Posted by oracle80

"marty" . That was the giveaway, when he called him Marty.
Euro is now the lowest form of internet life ever witnessed.
For over two years on here and on ESPN, he spoke nonstop of the great polytrack, etc. He spouted numbers and figs, and I questioned him a million times about having an interest in the stuff or being connected to it.
He lied like a bearskin rug all this time, until being cornered finally, today.
What a con man and what a breach of trust.
He sits here reading our stuff on it and reporting back to Marty, etc.
He advertises for it and lies about doing so, and in the end hes been exposed for what he is, which is what I proclaimed him to be over a year ago, a polytrack shill with an interest in it.
I hope everyone looks as dimly upon him now as i do. The guy has perpetuated a lie, and all the bull**** hes been spouting for two years is now exposed.
I guess you just cant trust some people.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Umm..you said a monetary connection which I do not have one. I just have a friend that is all. I havent been exposed either. That is because there is nothing to expose. Keep trying, but you wont find anything.

Originally Posted by oracle80

"marty" . That was the giveaway, when he called him Marty.
Euro is now the lowest form of internet life ever witnessed.
For over two years on here and on ESPN, he spoke nonstop of the great polytrack, etc. He spouted numbers and figs, and I questioned him a million times about having an interest in the stuff or being connected to it.
He lied like a bearskin rug all this time, until being cornered finally, today.
What a con man and what a breach of trust.
He sits here reading our stuff on it and reporting back to Marty, etc.
He advertises for it and lies about doing so, and in the end hes been exposed for what he is, which is what I proclaimed him to be over a year ago, a polytrack shill with an interest in it.
I hope everyone looks as dimly upon him now as i do. The guy has perpetuated a lie, and all the bull**** hes been spouting for two years is now exposed.
I guess you just cant trust some people.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I never said money only, I asked one million times if you were connected to it any way.
I hope everyone else realizes your only reason for being here is to spout poly, and gain info on what people are saying to "marty".
You are in the same league as the George boys.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Lord Oracle, you are reaching here and it is embarrassing for you.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I have looked at the negatives and I have said that enough is enough when it comes to a synthetic surface. I believe there should be a 3rd surface. Do the negatives outweigh the positives--imo, NO. Are the negatives that people bring up a big deal NO. The kickback is no big deal, the clumping can be a minor problem. Do you want to the know the real negative of a synthetic surface that no one mentions....well here it is and this one is a HUGE deal. The surface is so forgiving that it is hard to detect a minor injury that can compound in a serious one. For example: horses with a stone bruise travel effortlessly over the surface. Get them on a dirt surface and they are in pain. To me this is the major problem with Poly. Kickback, clumps, breathing are just topics to bitch. If you want to talk the negatives then bring up a true negative--not something to bitch about.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oracle, answer this question.....why are you so oppossed to a third surface. Never mind what people have said. I want your thoughts as to why having a third surface is bad for the game.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Actually, if I recall, Cunningham brought that issue up numerous times...

We won't know the full impact on breathing issues for a while, anyway... this is the kind of stuff that may not show an immediate reaction, but may show it later on in life. I, for one, believe that it would have been more beneficial to spend the money needed to improve on the condition of the former dirt surface, rather than the millions spent on this synthetic stuff.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

I know tell me about it

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I agree with you when it comes to a place like Keeneland and the Cali tracks. But for a place like Woodbine and Turfway it makes more sense to have a synthetic surface. I dont remember Cunningham posting that but thanks for letting us know.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Look Seattle,
asa 26 year old guy who has never lived away from mommy and daddy,and who doesnt posess a drivers liscense, you should know your place in the grand scheme of things.
To help you understand what that is, here is what you need to do.
Go outside after breakfast, and go and find a pond or a river or a swampy area. Pick up a rock right near the water and look underneath. If you have any questions after this, give us a shout and we can help you out with it.
Mommy and Daddy take you to Chuck E Cheese this past weekend?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Why do you think Woodbine and Turfway need polytrack as opposed to Keeneland and the Cali tracks? I'm interested in knowing your thoughts.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Not opposed to a third surface at all, as long as it can be offered at a trackj with traditional dirt, which noone has done or will do,
Its a dirt replacement, not a third surface, because not one track has THREE surfaces, no room for them.
And the marketers are flat out liars.