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Slewbopper 11-29-2006 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Nasty and Bold.
That didn't take long. He was a nice horse.

Dunbar 11-29-2006 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Slewbopper
Pincay did nothing wrong on Affirmed. He was set up. Angel, on Shake Shake Shake, was the devil helping out his buddy Georgie V. on Alydar. Very sleazy race.
That wasn't the way I saw it. It looked to me simply that Pincay moved over into Alydar's path as Alydar was flying up the inside, and Alydar clipped heels and almost went down.

How did Shake Shake Shake figure into it? (have to laugh at us arguing a race we saw almost 30 years ago!)

--Dunbar

Sightseek 11-29-2006 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I was on the third floor at Belmont for that Belmont Stakes. Those were very exciting times.

I can still remember Affirmed's win in the Jim Dandy. I was sitting around the sixteenth pole, and Sensitive Prince ( who may not have seemed like a killer then but I would venture a guess would be drooled over on internet boards should his likeness show up now ) had a FIVE length lead at the eighth pole, and Affirmed ran him down in what was his first start after the Belmont.

And, frankly, the recovery Alydar made in the subsequent Travers, regardless of what camp you are in as to whether or not he could run down Affirmed if they were eye to eye, was spectacular. Not quite as spectacular, as the decisive move Alydar made at the top of the stretch on the way to his seven length destruction of the Whitney field ( of which JO Tobin was a member ).

Man, THOSE were good racehorses.
I have the ESPN Classic Affirmed and Alydar on video...seeing Veitch's face when he describes how he felt after the Travers is SCARY. The interview was years later, but you could tell he was still angry at the risk he believed Pincay took.

Sightseek 11-29-2006 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bravado2112
Mineshaft
JC Gold Cup - 114
Woodward - 117
Suburban - 115
S. Foster - 117
Pim Special - 118
Ben Ali - 116
N. Orleans - 116
Whirlaway - 107
Before that: 103-104-96

If there's any other's in particular that people want, let me know...
I'd be curious to see how Azeri stacked up against some of the greatest and well-regarded fillies of yesteryear if you have a comparision.

blackthroatedwind 11-29-2006 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunbar
That wasn't the way I saw it. It looked to me simply that Pincay moved over into Alydar's path as Alydar was flying up the inside, and Alydar clipped heels and almost went down.

How did Shake Shake Shake figure into it? (have to laugh at us arguing a race we saw almost 30 years ago!)

--Dunbar

Cordero rode Shake Shake Shake and certainly was always up for a little mischief.

I think Pincay was negligent also.

ArlJim78 11-29-2006 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I was on the third floor at Belmont for that Belmont Stakes. Those were very exciting times.

I can still remember Affirmed's win in the Jim Dandy. I was sitting around the sixteenth pole, and Sensitive Prince ( who may not have seemed like a killer then but I would venture a guess would be drooled over on internet boards should his likeness show up now ) had a FIVE length lead at the eighth pole, and Affirmed ran him down in what was his first start after the Belmont.

And, frankly, the recovery Alydar made in the subsequent Travers, regardless of what camp you are in as to whether or not he could run down Affirmed if they were eye to eye, was spectacular. Not quite as spectacular, as the decisive move Alydar made at the top of the stretch on the way to his seven length destruction of the Whitney field ( of which JO Tobin was a member ).

Man, THOSE were good racehorses.
BTW, i didn't see this yesterday. reading it now gives me chills. I was fortunate enough to have discovered thoroughbred racing in the late seventies. little did i know at the time that that I was witnessing a rivalary for the ages (Affirmed/Alydar) and also some greats that we would not see equaled again for a long time. Slew/ The Bid etc.
I have to agree, those WERE good racehorses and it was a great era for racing.

Sightseek 11-29-2006 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunbar
That wasn't the way I saw it. It looked to me simply that Pincay moved over into Alydar's path as Alydar was flying up the inside, and Alydar clipped heels and almost went down.

How did Shake Shake Shake figure into it? (have to laugh at us arguing a race we saw almost 30 years ago!)

--Dunbar
Alydar is one of my favorite horses of all time..I've watched my video a bazillion times and completely agree with your assessment.

philcski 11-29-2006 08:30 PM
It's a damn shame there's scumbags in the world like JT Lundy or we might STILL be talking about the great sons and daughters of Alydar.

Sightseek 11-29-2006 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
It's a damn shame there's scumbags in the world like JT Lundy or we might STILL be talking about the great sons and daughters of Alydar.
I actually met him at the yearling sale last year...very odd.

Some people close to him, still to this day, believe he was innocent of the Alydar incident. I've only read Wild Ride so the best I can do is speculate like most people.

blackthroatedwind 11-29-2006 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I actually met him at the yearling sale last year...very odd.

Some people close to him, still to this day, believe he was innocent of the Alydar incident. I've only read Wild Ride so the best I can do is speculate like most people.

" Only read Wild Ride " and you are entertaining thoughts of innocence?

Not me.

I love that book.

philcski 11-29-2006 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I actually met him at the yearling sale last year...very odd.

Some people close to him, still to this day, believe he was innocent of the Alydar incident. I've only read Wild Ride so the best I can do is speculate like most people.
you did? at saratoga or keeneland? H says he's REALLY fat, like so fat he can't even walk.

blackthroatedwind 11-29-2006 08:44 PM
In 1985, when Lundy was running Calumet, they hired Smiley Adams as their trainer and he brought a string up to Saratoga about a month before the meet started. JT Lundy rented my parents house for Smiley Adams.

The Dead played at Spac in late June that year, and I showed up in town with some of my friends, and stopped by my house. My Dad was having a drink on the porch with Smiley Adams.

It was all quite a contrast even without throwing Jerry Garcia into the mix.

Sightseek 11-29-2006 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
" Only read Wild Ride " and you are entertaining thoughts of innocence?

Not me.

I love that book.
No, I was stating the position of people who know him better...I on the other hand, feel like most people did after reading that book. And yes a very good read.

Sightseek 11-29-2006 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
you did? at saratoga or keeneland? H says he's REALLY fat, like so fat he can't even walk.
Fasig Tipton July. You know, when you read and hear so much about people you expect so much more...I felt the same way when I met Baffert too. :D

As for Lundy, my first impression was shock that a man like that could have been in control of all that he was. In the middle of the book their are pictures, so I recognized him, but having the real thing in front of you is so different.

philcski 11-29-2006 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
In 1985, when Lundy was running Calumet, they hired Smiley Adams as their trainer and he brought a string up to Saratoga about a month before the meet started. JT Lundy rented my parents house for Smiley Adams.

The Dead played at Spac in late June that year, and I showed up in town with some of my friends, and stopped by my house. My Dad was having a drink on the porch with Smiley Adams.

It was all quite a contrast even without throwing Jerry Garcia into the mix.
I love SPAC. The first day I got my license I drove to Saratoga for the Beastie Boys and the Spa. Cigar won the Whitney that Saturday.

blackthroatedwind 11-29-2006 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
I love SPAC. The first day I got my license I drove to Saratoga for the Beastie Boys and the Spa. Cigar won the Whitney that Saturday.

Really?

That must have been the day I was hanging in the Chairman's box with three supermodels.

Really Phil.....Cigar won the Whitney?

philcski 11-29-2006 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Really?

That must have been the day I was hanging in the Chairman's box with three supermodels.

Really Phil.....Cigar won the Whitney?
Oops, wrote that wrong, Cigar won ON whitney day. An allowance... either that or i was smoking some really good **** at SPAC!

oracle80 11-29-2006 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
I love SPAC. The first day I got my license I drove to Saratoga for the Beastie Boys and the Spa. Cigar won the Whitney that Saturday.
Umm, how much did you ingest during the concert?
Cigar never ran in any Whitney.

philcski 11-29-2006 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Umm, how much did you ingest during the concert?
Cigar never ran in any Whitney.
Yep typo! :) youse guys are too fast for me!
who won the 1994 whitney, colonial affair?

blackthroatedwind 11-29-2006 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Oops, wrote that wrong, Cigar won ON whitney day. An allowance... either that or i was smoking some really good **** at SPAC!

He also never won on Whitney Day...or any day at Saratoga. He did, however, run third once in the first race, I think, on the turf one day.

blackthroatedwind 11-29-2006 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Yep typo! :) youse guys are too fast for me!
who won the 1994 whitney, colonial affair?

I was getting worried there. I expected the next thing from you to be that you saw a bootleg copy of " Candy ".

philcski 11-29-2006 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He also never won on Whitney Day...or any day at Saratoga. He did, however, run third once in the first race, I think, on the turf one day.
****, my memory is shot then. i do remember the race being on turf.

oracle80 11-29-2006 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
****, my memory is shot then. i do remember the race being on turf.
Tell me the year, I'll tell you the winner of the Whitney.

oracle80 11-29-2006 09:04 PM
1993-Brunswick
1994-Colonial Affair
1995- Unaccounted For

Those would be the years that Cigar was racing.

My guess is 1994, he ran on the grass and lost before switching to dirt and starting that incredible run.

oracle80 11-29-2006 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by War Emblem
1963 :p

Thanks
Kelso, so lick me.

oracle80 11-29-2006 09:05 PM
I only knew that because I knew kelso won three times, one year apart, in '61, '63, and '65.

Sightseek 11-29-2006 09:06 PM
This is the greatest feature of pedigreequery.com - 1st-3rd in any race you want and final time.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=583

philcski 11-29-2006 09:06 PM
For good measure I checked his PP's, he didn't even run on Whitney Day. i got my license that day, i was right about that, August 1st, 1994. He ran the next Saturday... and finished 3rd on the turf. The SPAC concert was August 2nd, 1994. God was i a stupid kid back then. My mother would have maimed me if she had known i had driven all the way to Saratoga and back, i think i told her we were going camping in the finger lakes!

moral of the story: never, EVER, debate Blackthroatedwind about Saratoga results. well done my man.

oracle80 11-29-2006 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
This is the greatest feature of pedigreequery.com - 1st-3rd in any race you want and final time.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=583
Really? I have gone to that site 1000 times, but never knew that.
If he had asked for say like '62, I woulda said I have no idea.

philcski 11-29-2006 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
This is the greatest feature of pedigreequery.com - 1st-3rd in any race you want and final time.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=583
i didn't know that either! you da best sightseek! :) Let me know when you and S are up to coming down to the city next.

SniperSB23 11-29-2006 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
This is the greatest feature of pedigreequery.com - 1st-3rd in any race you want and final time.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=583
Sure makes it easy to pick out the females too.

oracle80 11-29-2006 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
This is the greatest feature of pedigreequery.com - 1st-3rd in any race you want and final time.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...ld=view&id=583
Seek I'm on there now, and I'm not seeing how you get this info. Could you give us the walkthrough?

philcski 11-29-2006 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Sure makes it easy to pick out the females too.
the question above applies to you too, sir...

SniperSB23 11-29-2006 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
i didn't know that either! you da best sightseek! :) Let me know when you and S are up to coming down to the city next.
You can do cool stuff too like search for stakes where the winner's sire was Buckpasser.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...e&h=buckpasser

Sightseek 11-29-2006 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
i didn't know that either! you da best sightseek! :) Let me know when you and S are up to coming down to the city next.
One can learn some very useful things playing late night racing trivia on the old TT's forum. :D

Probably won't be down there again until the Wood...you'll be delighted to know I've been working up the ladder on the Degen Levels in the meantime.

SniperSB23 11-29-2006 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
the question above applies to you too, sir...
If the Gotham comes up interesting enough then it would be a possibility. Otherwise the Wood.

Sightseek 11-29-2006 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Seek I'm on there now, and I'm not seeing how you get this info. Could you give us the walkthrough?
Sure, go to the home page, select Stakes Races in the Reports menu, in search for races where the name " " select race name, tab to the next blank and type in the name of the stakes race. Research on! :D


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