Hey USCRules,
where are those bums of yours gonna play next? The Jergens handlotion Jerkoff bowl? Good luck to you in that.

Dixie - please leave a forwarding address

Mush, jinx, imbecile. That about covers that one.

Sweatervest is only sad that they won't be coming to get their asses kicked badly.

Dalkhani is not even as bright as a clock, at least a clock is right twice a day.

Stick to making up fantasy online alter egos, ok Chief?

The sweatervest had to be bummed out watching that game. He had it made.
Now hes gotta sweat that rematch he doesnt want, nor does any OSU fan.
If they choose Florida the sweatervest has to chuckle.
Lloyd carr is the only class in this act. Bigmouth "Pete the Genius" Carroll used the same criteria he lobbied agaisnt when LSU was chosen three years ago to LOBBY FOR his team this year with his big mouth.
Florida's coach has lobbied shamelessly while Lloyd Carr refuses to lobby.

Dixie,
I have met a lotta guys, but this guy takes the cake.
he has personally mushed at least ten horses into grade one wins in their next starts after saying they suck or will never win a grade one.
In sports hes the absolute kiss of death.
Last year over on our other board, he started a thread entitled "USC-haters eat crow thread" on championship game night, his first post was how I and the other haters were gonna take their beatings on the thread "when USC killed Texas". YOu know how that one turned out.
When he was taunted and laghed at on that thread later on and asked what happened, he actually said "well they lost 4 key starters from last years team" as an explanation. As if he didn't know that before the season started, much less the final game.
You need to take this kid on the road with you(just make sure he gets a seperate room and that he has to pay for his own meals, AND always make sure you fly seperately, trust me you don't want this guy on the same plane as you!!!!) and zig when he zags. When he says up, you go down. If he says left, you go right.
And if he takes the high road, you want the low road.

Bcs Game
 

It isn't hard to figure it out Ohio State should play Florida for the championship. Florida played the toughest schedule of the year. They come from where I feel is the best conference in all of college football. At least for thier non conference/scrimmage games they don't play Army, Navy, and Air Force. Take note of that last one all you Notre Dame fans. Again it proves why there is a need for some sort of playoff system. I am sure you will have a team that is deserving a playoff spot not getting in and raising hell about it. While Michigan would be a very deserving oppenent for Ohio State, they had thier chance a few weeks ago. If they had played earlier in the year then you could maybe a case for a rematch.

When they played doesn't matter, WHERE they played does!!!!

I just thought this was timely considering how inferior Pac 10 team beat the hell out of the mighty Big ten team

the rose bowl's claim to relevance will be a fading moment a week from now.

michigan looks so bad now that everyone wants to rip 'em to pieces -- wait until ohio st. dismantles florida.

then we'll go right back to square one, which is michigan having been the only team to even hold a candle to the national champs all year long in a game.

that would make them still without a doubt the 2nd best team in America.

Or do you have to lose to UCLA to earn that distinction?

Let me see if I follow your logic:
- OSU defeats Mich
- UCLA defeats SCal
- SCal defeats Mich
- OSU defeats Fla
THEREFORE
Mich is better than SCal...is that it?

it's not just "defeating" that I'm interested in. i'm interested in Michigan nearly pulling off the upset of OSU, and of course my entire post was predicated on the notion that OSU is going to demolish Florida....not just barely beat them.

Bring the Rose Bowl matchip to Ann Arbor, MI yesterday and the game is completely different

You got it, that's the shorthand version of what I'm saying.

USC beat Michigan like a redheaded stepchild. If it were even close at the end, I could see your point but with 7 minutes to go it was 32-11. Henne was sacked six times in the first half alone.

Why are there always these endless excuses for the big blue? "if that game were in ann arbor instead of columbus, michigan would be playing for the title". "if that game were in ann arbor, MI yesterday, the game is completely different".

Same old song and dance every year for their blind fans.

Listen, Ive been watching Michigan choke for the last 25 years. Lloyd Carr got completely outcoached and their defensive backfield got completely schooled. The difference in overall team speed was ridiculous.

They could play that game ANYWHERE and Michigan still loses as they do almost EVERY TIME they play USC. Is that 6 out of the last 7 now?

This game wasnt close and the game against OSU wasnt nearly as close as the score made it appear.

Michigan had a good year. They will be tough next year. But to say that they are better than SC? That is a complete joke.

USC beat Michigan like a redheaded stepchild. If it were even close at the end, I could see your point but with 7 minutes to go it was 32-11. Henne was sacked six times in the first half alone.

Why are there always these endless excuses for the big blue? "if that game were in ann arbor instead of columbus, michigan would be playing for the title". "if that game were in ann arbor, MI yesterday, the game is completely different".

Same old song and dance every year for their blind fans.

Listen, Ive been watching Michigan choke for the last 25 years. Lloyd Carr got completely outcoached and their defensive backfield got completely schooled. The difference in overall team speed was ridiculous.

They could play that game ANYWHERE and Michigan still loses as they do almost EVERY TIME they play USC. Is that 6 out of the last 7 now?

This game wasnt close and the game against OSU wasnt nearly as close as the score made it appear.

Michigan had a good year. They will be tough next year. But to say that they are better than SC? That is a complete joke.

Bring the Rose Bowl matchip to Ann Arbor, MI yesterday and the game is completely different

Spoken like a true Big Ten fan. Its exactly why I root for teams like Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State to lose. Big Ten fans cant admit their team was inferior in every way. They use the excuse of where the game was played, as if that accounted for the huge difference in yards gained and points gained.
Stick to your music, you would never be a good sports analysist. Too much of a bias. Instead of giving the other team credit, you bring up the fact that they lost to UCLA 4 weeks ago. What does that have anything to do with them pounding on Michigan?

By the way, everybody acts like this was an upset. Check out the spread that was anywhere between 1 and 2.5 points (michigan favored) depending on where you bet. Thats not that much respect for a team who only lost by 3points to Ohio State against a lowly team like USC, who got beat by a very medicore (at best) UCLA. Seems to me like the spread should have been Michigan by 10, but it was hardly that.

well them losing to UCLA has everything to do with it, when we're talking about their "pounding" of Michigan indicating that they're a better football team. if we're going to use head to head matchups to determine that one team better than another -- then we're right back at having the tough debate as to whether oregon st. is better than USC, aren't we? i've never claimed that USC was "lowly," I just don't think they're a better football team than Michigan. You won't find anyone on any board who has been around me for any of the last five years who recalls me ever being a Big Ten apologist, or an any team apologist for that matter....because I have never been one. This is the first time in my entire life that I've claimed anything like this regarding college football (oh wait, i don't want to be a liar. i did the same thing for florida st. when they had charlie ward and notre dame beat them but i still thought florida state was the better team when i was maybe about 10 years old. wouldn't want to get caught in that fishy situation of you unearthing a witness to that!) -- because I'm not one to go blindly to bat for a team just because of their conference or where I live. It's a battle I've chosen specifically because they're not a better team than Michigan.

You can point to any number of results like that -- teams win games when they are not the better team all the time. From your point of view, I'd imagine you're apalled and calling for an NFL playoff overhaul because they Cleveland Browns didn't get in. Heck, they beat both Kansas City and the New York Jets and both of those teams get to be in the playoffs.

Makes sense right? Of course it doesn't -- just because the Browns beat both of those teams doesn't mean they are a better football team.

Those are the kinds of claims you end up making when you just say "well USC pounded Michigan, so they're a better team." Of course they just pounded Michigan, so what? **** happens. It doesn't make them a better football team just because they won.

I don't know what the battle is really about here, as a Michigan fan I was pretty disgusted outplayed and outcoached. Why it took them 2 1/2 quarters to put Henne in the shotgun blows my mind. USC had a great game plan they stopped the run.....and that was that.

and Gander please....Big Ten fans are no worse than Red Sox fans.....:p

I agree, Brian...

The truth is... these are humans and humans have off days (much like horses.) When the team isn't playing as a true "team", then they're not going to play their best. It was obvious to me (neutral person) that Michigan did NOT play their best and therefore the Rose Bowl was not a good indication of who is actually the better football team. JMO...

the battle is that having one terrible game doesn't make a team necessarily worse than another, that's all.

If the game was closer I would tend to agree and throw it out. But it wasnt.
Michigan got crushed and it was more than just where they played the game.
We could argue all day who the better team is, truth be told, better is a very oblivious word. I personally dont care, have no strong liking for either school, just a pretty big anti fan of Big Ten teams, not as strong as my hatred for the Yankees, but I root against them nonetheless.

I agree about Red Sox fans, they can be pretty obnoxious too. I love them but I am more in love with the sport than I am with the Red Sox and tend to be pretty non bias when I speak of baseball.

Oh, I been around long enough...I know you are. Just a friendly jab.

UM didn't play their best game, but I also won't make excuses for them.

Does the big ten hatred stem more from b-ball...I know you're not a huge cfb fan. just curious.

You are right, I am much more a college hoops fan than I am a college football fan. I would say yes, I find the football fans to be much more obnoxious. With basketball, seems like their are more true fans with realistic non bias judgement.

Myself, I root for the Florida Gators, mostly because of Billy Donovan. Since he took over, they are the team I follow and watch.

I just met him, Gander... I'm setting up a seminar with him at my job right now with him as the speaker. He's a nice guy... GO GATORS! :D

I was shocked the spread wasnt higher in this game. Thought for sure given the Big Ten's reputation and the fact that Mich barely lost to Ohio State and USC looked pretty mediocre losing to a very so-so UCLA, that the spread would be more like Mich by 7.

I realize where the game was played, but cmmon. Something about that spread screamed "bet USC."

Just for the sake of airing it out, since you mentioned that you don't have a strong liking for either team -- I don't have any longstanding commitment to any team in America in college football. I used to love Florida State -- and have only paid attention to college football the last few years because of living in Oregon and now in Ann Arbor -- the atmosphere dictated that I pay attention to it. I really couldn't care less about UM, but I think it's insane that they're getting dogged the way they are because they played ONE really terrible game...a game that I don't think determined who was the better team one bit.

I'm going to compare it to horse racing. I find it insane that there are people out there who were ready to crown Bernardini not only 3yo of the year, but Horse of the Year if he won the BCC. Instead, he gets beat by a LENGTH, and now many of those same people are saying that he should not even be 3YO champion of the year because he didn't beat older horses in the BCC?!

One length should cost him both titles that people were ready to give him?

Likewise, Michigan gets trounced once and everyone jumps ship and starts dogging UM over it.

They weren't themselves... :p

They really weren't. I hope Ohio State plays just as poor. :D

Nah, they just weren't the same team to me, DaHoss. I can't say I watched every single Michigan game this season (because I didn't), but I watched most of them and that was a different team in the Rose Bowl. I really could care less either way, but I'm not willing to crown USC a better team off of that game. That would be like me saying USC sucked because UCLA beat them a month ago, you know?

I'm focusing mainly on two things right now

1.) That everything aside, I believe that Michigan is the second best team in college football, no excuses, no nothing.

2.) On the topic of excuses, the "play the game in Ann Arbor, MI" thing is an excuse -- but it's a very valid one. Look at how Tampa Bay can't beat the Bears in Chicago in December in like 13 tries, even when the Bears are terrible. Would it have changed the outcome? Probably not. Would it have affected the boys from SoCal to be put in Michigan in the middle of winter instead of a home game in socal? Probably. That's a very fair thing to point out.

To quote Dennis Green (subbing the wolverines for the bears) "Michigan is EXACTLY who we thought they were". End of story.

If the game had been even close, maybe there might be a point. But it wasnt. it was a drubbing. If this was a once in a blue moon kind of thing, maybe there would be a point. But it isnt. Michigan always loses to USC. Period. Do i need to bring up the stats?

USC lost twice this year. Close games but losses none the less. It happens. No excuses. In each game, with less than five minutes to go, USC needed but ONE score to take the lead. Can Michigan say the same thing? NO. With five minutes to go, they were down by 3 touchdowns.

When was the last time Michigan won ANY game of significance? When Brady was there?

But such is the fantasy world of the BLUE fans and some of the others that just simply have no understanding of the sport. They lose by two touchdowns and they still are the better team? Unreal.

It's fun to watch the excuses fly.

They played one REALLY bad quarter of football. Without that one REALLY bad quarter of football, USC doesn't even win the game.

But for crying out loud -- Oregon St. and UCLA? Speaks for itself.

I'm glad you're catching on -- that's what I've been saying this whole time.

Well, in fantasy land, Michigan actually won that game. But this is REALITY where excuses dont matter. In the real world, michigan got CRUSHED. The got beat like they always do.

Is that 7 straight bowl games now?

well it's 4, and I guess you didn't read what I had to say on the subject and I'm actually a UM fan. Outplayed and outcoached.

Last big win....I might say PSU last year...no shame in losing to Texas with the clock expiring in 05, one of the best games I've ever seen. Any UM fan would say OSU in 03, probably Florida in 03...but then yes the Orange Bowl in with Brady was the last big game.