Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1164182)

Ever wonder why so many fans dislike you , Andy ?

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164220)

Freddy, the very concept of becoming generational means it takes a while to achieve.

All I've ever said is I "think" she has a chance to develop into that.

Jerry compared her to EIGHT BELLES "before" yesterdays race. In fact he did it even before the Arkansas Derby.

I said what I said after an allowance race at Oaklawn.

Last time I made that kind of prediction it was about a horse named ZENYATTA in her 2nd career start.

SECRET OATH'S win yesterday was certainly impressive. Is she "generational" yet. No of course not.

Can she become that? I think so, but I respect what others on here have to say and would like to hear your opinions as well.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1164226)

Ever wonder why WWE has so many fans? He does things for those struggling on the back stretch that you and I never hear about. No attention seeking self promoting tweets. Old school. If you can't respect that then it is you need to think about things. You have it in you.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164220)

Freddy, the very concept of becoming generational means it takes a while to achieve.

All I've ever said is I "think" she has a chance to develop into that.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1161907)

IMO she's a generational talent.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1161903)

Not for nothing, Eight Belles did the same to one degree or another in the Martha Washington, Honey Bee, and Fantasy. Could have been DQ'd in the latter. Similar physique and stride. Same sire line, too (Unbridled's Song).

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164218)

All the reasons why I respect his handicapping ability. Way back in the day I reached out to Andy and asked for his help with a TVG shift I was doing that involved harness racing. He COULD NOT POSSIBLY have been more GRACIOUS and HELPFUL.

To this day we have NEVER met or spoken face to face.

But OTHER people have told him I'm a bad guy. So it must be true.

It's not.

I refuse to go there about him. I'm a man and will draw my own conclusions.

My admiration for his work ethic, love of our sport and willingness to help teach horse players will always supersede the nonsense he spews about me.

He knows NOTHING about me.

You HOSS don't exist. You're words on a page that has never done anything in this industry and never will.

You're a desperately ANGRY guy that ONLY finds solace from the demons when rejoicing in other people's human frailties and failures.

The fact that you can even think you're part of any discussion about anything between ANDY SERLING and VIC STAUFFER is a testament of just how delusional you truly are.

You're a sad bug that people wipe off their windshields.

ANDY is an accomplished respected member of our industry who has put his heart and soul into making it better.

I've dedicated the last 40 years of my life trying to do the same.

So fire away with your baseless, unfounded BS and threats.

You've never mattered before and you damn sure don't now.

Don't worry. Something terrible will happen to someone today.

There's your root. Good luck.

Dead heat between CYBERKNIFE and SMILE HAPPY.

Would LOVE to know what Andy thinks.

You? :p:p:p

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164220)

Freddy, the very concept of becoming generational means it takes a while to achieve.

All I've ever said is I "think" she has a chance to develop into that.

Jerry compared her to EIGHT BELLES "before" yesterdays race. In fact he did it even before the Arkansas Derby.

I said what I said after an allowance race at Oaklawn.

Last time I made that kind of prediction it was about a horse named ZENYATTA in her 2nd career start.

SECRET OATH'S win yesterday was certainly impressive. Is she "generational" yet. No of course not.

Can she become that? I think so, but I respect what others on here have to say and would like to hear your opinions as well.

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1164230)

What does this have to do with my question ? And I was blocked ( along with countless others who dared disagree with him ) years ago so I don’t read his tweets. There are plenty of tweets about him by others to read though.

It’s derby day, let’s bet some hosses and stop with this bullshit

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1164238)

I wonder what this could be like if we talked more about racing instead of this sad stuff that hijacks every thread?

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164241)

Pot meet kettle

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1164243)

You’re really going to sit there and say that I turn these posts into personal attacks on other posters? Really? I talk about horses and give my opinions of them and other racing related items. Some of it may be stuff that you don’t agree with but I don’t think there is a person on here that would agree with you that I delve into personal attacks on people. You know that.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164245)

Are personal attacks the only way to hijack a thread?

What about pouty kindergartener reactions to racing-related posts?

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164245)

Are personal attacks the only way to hijack a thread?

What about pouty kindergartener reactions to racing-related posts?

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164231)

Not quite...

David was sick about taking off her. He knew she was good. But had a chance to ride a Derby horse for Craig Dollace named El Gato Malo.

I would have done the same thing.

Never know.




Me too; does that mean my anonymous opinion count? Or do I need to get a hot walking job first?




I guess that makes you smarter than David Flores at least...

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164266)

You guys have my word of honor.

I won't let the trolls get to me anymore.

I'll participate in talking about our great sport.

Or I'll abstain.

I'm guilty of the dysfunction too.

Sorry.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1164267)

You're like a Used Car Salesman. Nobody here is buying it.

We know a troll when we see one.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164270)

So what do you think about running the filly in the Prerakness?

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1164279)

She ran a 94 BSF and now head to a spot she will need to run 5pts faster to be in the mix? You realize they have some nice filly races like the Phipps Alabama Coaching Club etc. ?

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164270)

So what do you think about running the filly in the Prerakness?

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1164289)

I wouldn’t run her in the Preakness and definitely not in the Belmont. But not because she’s a filly. I wouldn’t run a colt in either of those races either unless I had won or skipped the Derby. As for later in the year, I’d absolutely be open to trying a race like the Haskell or Travers or Penn Derby. I don’t think there’s anything to lose. If she wins or runs well, it doesn’t hurt her reputation and she can always return to her own division. Pretty much like the Arkansas Derby.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164291)

What's the name, grade, purse and distance of the 3yo filly race on Belmont weekend?

Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1164293)

Vic, I think its the Acorn, 1 mile $500K....I think

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164266)

You guys have my word of honor.

I won't let the trolls get to me anymore.

I'll participate in talking about our great sport.

Or I'll abstain.

I'm guilty of the dysfunction too.

Sorry.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164315)

Apology accepted.

Be better.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164318)

So what do we think about the filly running in the Preakness?

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1164218)

So fire away with your baseless, unfounded BS and threats.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1165045)

I guess if her running line was a mirror image of the AR Derby, then she probably got another piss poor ride. Nothing like sitting last off a slow pace and making a 5-wide attempt to swoop the entire field with nearly a 1/2 mile to run.

Owner already was quoted as saying the filly was getting time off win, lose, or draw at the Preakness, so it's not like this race in particular will derail her campaign. She's supposed to target the CCA Oaks and Cotillion (owner doesn't think she wants 10 furlongs). Plenty of time to recover from her 4th place, $99K effort in a classic.

At any rate, I like the reproach for those who would treat horses like toy cars, but in the next sentence define horses as "perishable commodities".

Not so much Hot Wheels as Meals on Wheels...

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1165046)

Not one of Saez's better efforts. It was like he thought, "this worked on Ethereal Road so...."

In his slight defense, she checked back to last when Happy Jack came over on her going into the first turn.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer (Post 1165043)

SECRET OATH'S run in the Preakness was a mirror image of her race in the Arkansas Derby.

She's VERY good but not the type to beat the best boys of her class.

IMO it was a massive mistake to run back on 2 weeks rest off the big effort of the Oaks.

Some will say, hey take a shot against colts she can always go back to running against fillies. As though these horses are Hot Wheels.

They are perishable commodities with a finite number of chances to shine on the largest stage.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1165047)

Agreed; it wasn't really a mirror image as the filly was shuffled back to last mid-race at Oaklawn rather than in the initial stages like yesterday.


Personally I think her running style of big sweeping (and ultimately unsustainable) moves is a bit of an impediment (similar to many of Abel Tasman's races), but maybe the owner is right regarding her perceived distance limitations.

I wonder how'd she fare if they brought her back off the freshening in the 7-furlong Test instead of the CCA Oaks a couple of weeks earlier.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1165049)

I just watched the Oaks again. She made her move into the turn there but it was not as dramatic as the Arkansas Derby or yesterday. Feels like it is all about timing with her. Saez's timing was flawless in the Oaks. Yesterday, not so much.

I'd love to see her in the Test

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1165050)

Running her in the Preakness on 2 weeks rest was a mistake though. You don’t do that with generational talents like her..

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1165051)

100% correct.

Running back on short rest could put the generational talent status achieved in the Grade 3 Honeybee in jeopardy.

Not to mention upsetting her commercial value, running afoul of modern breeding trends, and shattering the delicate egos of wannabe industry leaders in the process...

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1165053)

"Generational talents after Honeybee" had me laughing very hard

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1165053)

"Generational talents after Honeybee" had me laughing very hard