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Kasept 04-24-2021 01:30 PM

5/1 (CD): Kentucky Derby

1. Essential Quality (Brad Cox/Luis Saez) 140
2. Hot Rod Charlie (Doug O'Neill/Flavien Prat) 110
3. Super Stock (Steve Asmussen/Ricardo Santana) 109
4. Like the King (Wesley Ward/Drayden Van Dyke) 104
5. Known Agenda (Todd Pletcher/Irad Ortiz Jr.) 102
6. Rock Your World (John Sadler/Joel Rosario) 100
7. Bourbonic (Todd Pletcher/Kendrick Carmouche) 100
8. Medina Spirit (Bob Baffert/John Velazquez) 74
9. Midnight Bourbon (Steve Asmussen/Mike Smith) 66
10. Mandaloun (Brad Cox/Florent Geroux) 52

11. Highly Motivated (Chad Brown/Javier Castellano) 50
12. Helium (Mark Casse/Julien Leparoux) 50
13. Soup and Sandwich (Mark Casse/Tyler Gaffalione) 40
14. Dynamic One (Todd Pletcher/Jose Ortiz) 40
15. Sainthood (Todd Pletcher/Corey Lanerie) 40
16. Hidden Stash (Vicki Oliver/Rafael Bejarano) 32
17. O Besos (Greg Foley/Marcelino Pedroza) 25
18. King Fury (Ken McPeek/Brian Hernandez Jr.) 20
19. Keepmeinmind (Robertino Diodoro/David Cohen) 18
20. Brooklyn Strong (Danny Velasquez/TBA) 10
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21. Sittin On Go (Dale Romans/Joe Talamo) 10


4/30 (CD): Kentucky Oaks

1. Search Results (Irad Ortiz/Chad Brown)
2. Travel Column (Florent Geroux/Brad Cox)
3. Crazy Beautiful (Jose Ortiz/Kenny McPeek)
4. Pauline’s Pearl (Ricardo Santana/Steve Asmussen)
5. Malathaat (John Velazquez/Todd Pletcher)
6. Clairiere (Tyler Gaffalione/Steve Asmussen)
7. Will’s Secret (Jon Court, Dallas Stewart)
8. Millefeuille (Joel Rosario/Bill Mott)
9. Moraz (Umberto Rispoli/Michael McCarthy)
10. Ava’s Grace (David Cohen/Robertino Diodoro)
11. Pass the Champagne (Javier Castellano/George Weaver)
12. Maracuja (Kendrick Carmouche, Rob Atras)
13. Competitive Speed (Chris Landeros/Javier Gonzalez)
14. Coach (Luis Saez/Brad Cox)

moses 04-24-2021 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1152060)
Yikes..

This is getting pretty wild. Any chance Baffert wants to try Freedom Fighter around two turns for the first time in the Derby?

blackthroatedwind 04-24-2021 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1152060)
Yikes..

He's coming into the race the right way

Kasept 04-25-2021 06:54 AM

CADDO RIVER DEFECTS.. Brooklyn Strong in..
 
CADDO RIVER a 'temperature'.. ROCK YOUR WORLD likely pacesetter.. BROOKLYN STRONG out of nowhere into Derby gate..

herkhorse 04-25-2021 08:07 AM

Keepmeinmind has a good up and coming trainer.

moses 04-25-2021 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 1152121)
Keepmeinmind has a good up and coming trainer.

Diodoro?

Kasept 04-25-2021 08:44 AM

Add SITTIN ON GO to possible list..

BROOKLYN STRONG expected to ship if all goes well when colt works at Parx Monday

herkhorse 04-25-2021 08:45 AM

yes Diodoro, he's on the come just like Brad Cox :rolleyes::{>:

moses 04-25-2021 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1151576)
At this rate, Sittin On Go might have a shot to make the starting gate based on that Iroquois win.

Prophetic.

moses 04-25-2021 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 1152125)
yes Diodoro, he's on the come just like Brad Cox :rolleyes::{>:

:D

Kasept 04-25-2021 09:36 AM

Umberto Rispoli gets Brooklyn Strong mount..

RolloTomasi 04-25-2021 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1152118)
CADDO RIVER a 'temperature'...

Trainer seems to have conferred with owner about scratching horse but didn't confer with him about the excuse.

John Ed Anthony quoted as saying the horse is "a little off".

Edit: On second thought, I guess you can interpret that in a number of ways.

Hoblin 04-25-2021 09:02 PM

Funny thing is that in the March 7 Future Wager pool, I bet on Proxy (41-1) and Spielberg (63-1), while my friend bet on Rombauer (109-1) and Concert Tour (17-1). All have the points to qualify for the race, but all have opted out. Maybe the CDC approved a vaccine for Derby Fever??

Kasept 04-26-2021 04:44 AM

1. Essential Quality (TAPIT) Pulpit ~ Home Bred
2. Hot Rod Charlie (OXBOW) Awesome Again ~ $110,000 FT OCT19
3. Super Stock (DIALED IN) Mineshaft ~ $70,000 KEE SEP19
4. Like the King (PALACE MALICE) Curlin ~ $170,000 OBS OCT19
5. Known Agenda (CURLIN) Smart Strike ~ Home Bred
6. Rock Your World (CANDY RIDE) Ride the Rails ~ $650,000 KEE SEP19
7. Bourbonic (BERNARDINI) A.P. Indy ~ Home Bred
8. Medina Spirit (PROTONICO) Giant's Causeway ~ $35,000 OBS OPN20
9. Midnight Bourbon (TIZNOW) Cee's Tizzy ~ $525,000 KEE SEP19
10. Mandaloun (INTO MISCHIEF) Harlan's Holiday ~ Home Bred
11. Highly Motivated (INTO MISCHIEF) Harlan's Holiday ~ Home Bred
12. Helium (IRONICUS) Distorted Humor ~ $55,000 FT OCT19
13. Soup and Sandwich (INTO MISCHIEF) Harlan's Holiday ~ Home Bred
14. Dynamic One (UNION RAGS) Dixie Union ~ $725,000 KEE SEP19
15. Sainthood (MSHAWISH) Medaglia d'Oro ~ $62,000 OBS OCT19
16. Hidden Stash (CONSTITUTION) Tapit ~ $50,000 KEE SEP19
17. O Besos (ORB) Malibu Moon ~ Home Bred
18. Get Her Number (DIALED IN) Mineshaft ~ $45,000 OBS APR20
19. King Fury (CURLIN) Smart Strike ~ $950,000 FT SAR19
20. Keepmeinmind (LAOBAN) Uncle Mo ~ P/S

Derby field is represented by 16 different sires.. (3 Into Mischiefs, 2 Curlins, 2 Dialed Ins, 13 Others)..

7 Home Bred
10 Yearling Purchases
2 2yo in training Purchases
1 Private Sale

King Glorious 04-30-2021 09:27 PM

The connections of the Oaks winner have talked about running in one of the two remaining TC races, more like the Belmont than the Preakness. The owner says he would have really been interested in running in the Derby.

Dahoss 04-30-2021 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1152460)
The connections of the Oaks winner have talked about running in one of the two remaining TC races, more like the Belmont than the Preakness. The owner says he would have really been interested in running in the Derby.

She might’ve finished 10th tomorrow. They definitely made the right choice.

jms62 04-30-2021 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1152460)
The connections of the Oaks winner have talked about running in one of the two remaining TC races, more like the Belmont than the Preakness. The owner says he would have really been interested in running in the Derby.

How many Old-Fashiond's in was he when he made that statement.

King Glorious 04-30-2021 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1152463)
How many Old-Fashiond's in was he when he made that statement.

Well, you know Pletcher ran a filly in the race the same year he won with Super Saver. Ran Rags to Riches again Curlin. So he's not scared. Also, it's not like the boys have been running some great figures to scare away anyone.

Dahoss 04-30-2021 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1152466)
Well, you know Pletcher ran a filly in the race the same year he won with Super Saver. Ran Rags to Riches again Curlin. So he's not scared. Also, it's not like the boys have been running some great figures to scare away anyone.

She was life and death in the Ashland and Oaks. Can’t they at least run the Derby before you have her winning it?

RolloTomasi 04-30-2021 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1152467)
She was life and death in the Ashland and Oaks. Can’t they at least run the Derby before you have her winning it?

Is it simply coincidence that this is the 30th anniversary of this near-tragic turn of events (considering the epic Mother Goose that subsequently took place)?

https://youtu.be/S6DSXj6Q92U?t=2241

King Glorious 05-01-2021 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1152467)
She was life and death in the Ashland and Oaks. Can’t they at least run the Derby before you have her winning it?

Where did I say she would win it? I don’t believe she would have.

Dahoss 05-01-2021 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1152526)
Where did I say she would win it? I don’t believe she would have.

So what was your point?

King Glorious 05-01-2021 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1152529)
So what was your point?

This thread has listed possible starters. I was listing a possible starter based on their comments. Not once did I offer an opinion on where I think she should run, where I’d like to see her run, or how I think she’d do.

RolloTomasi 05-02-2021 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1152626)
5/15 (PIM): Preakness

I hope Hot Rod Charlie points for the race.

moses 05-02-2021 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1152629)
I hope Hot Rod Charlie points for the race.

I’m not sure why he wouldn’t, though I thought I saw or heard that he won’t run in it.

Kasept 05-02-2021 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1152629)
I hope Hot Rod Charlie points for the race.

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1152633)
I’m not sure why he wouldn’t, though I thought I saw or heard that he won’t run in it.

Home to SA and pointing for Belmont..

RolloTomasi 05-02-2021 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1152637)
Home to SA and pointing for Belmont..

Kind of odd. O'Neill is no stranger to Pimlico, the sire's only claim to fame is winning the Preakness, and the half brother had his coming out party as a 3yo on the Preakness undercard in 2018.

He's on the smallish side so maybe they think he can't handle the close spacing. If so, not sure 12 furlongs is up his alley, either.

moses 05-02-2021 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1152644)
Kind of odd. O'Neill is no stranger to Pimlico, the sire's only claim to fame is winning the Preakness, and the half brother had his coming out party as a 3yo on the Preakness undercard in 2018.

He's on the smallish side so maybe they think he can't handle the close spacing. If so, not sure 12 furlongs is up his alley, either.

That might make sense. I mean, he ran in the Robert Lewis then 7 weeks to the LA Derby then 6 weeks to the Kentucky Derby.

richard burch 05-02-2021 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1152637)
Home to SA and pointing for Belmont..

I thought they would do the same for Essential Quality but maybe they don't think he can get 1-1/2 so they will take their shot now for TC race win.

RolloTomasi 05-02-2021 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1152659)
I thought they would do the same for Essential Quality but maybe they don't think he can get 1-1/2 so they will take their shot now for TC race win.

Godolphin has already shipped in the UAE Derby winner to NY for the Belmont Stakes, so they have that raced covered if Essential Quality declines any further at Pimlico.

Wasn't there also a Japanese-based colt that got buried in the UAE Derby that was supposed to run in the Preakness?

Kasept 05-03-2021 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1152660)
Wasn't there also a Japanese-based colt that got buried in the UAE Derby that was supposed to run in the Preakness?

France Go De Ina (Mori)

Kasept 05-05-2021 06:44 PM

5/15 (PIM): Preakness

Medina Spirit (Baffert/Velazquez)
Concert Tour (Baffert/Smith)
Midnight Bourbon (Asmussen/I. Ortiz)
Crowded Trade (Brown/Castellano)
Rombauer (McCarthy/Prat)
Unbridled Honor (Pletcher/Saez)
France Go De Ina (Mori/Rosario)
Keepmeinmind (Diodoro/Cohen)
Risk Taking (Brown)
Ram (Lukas)

Kasept 05-06-2021 09:39 AM

MIDNIGHT BOURBON a go.. Irad Ortiz rides.

robfla 05-06-2021 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1152722)
5/15 (PIM): Preakness

Medina Spirit (Baffert/Velazquez)
Concert Tour (Baffert/Smith)
Midnight Bourbon (Asmussen/I. Ortiz)
Crowded Trade (Brown/Castellano)
Rombauer (McCarthy/Prat)
Unbridled Honor (Pletcher/Saez)
France Go De Ina (Mori/Rosario)
Keepmeinmind (Diodoro/Cohen)
Mandaloun (Cox)
Caddo River (Cox)
Risk Taking (Brown)
Ram (Lukas)

Mandaloun and Caddo River both out per Cox

Dahoss 05-06-2021 01:18 PM

Brad Cox is the worst. It’s mind boggling to not run at least one of his big 3 in the Preakness.

RolloTomasi 05-06-2021 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1152742)
Brad Cox is the worst. It’s mind boggling to not run at least one of his big 3 in the Preakness.

I realize the horse comes first but it would have been a nice story if Mandaloun were to win the Preakness for Juddmonte Farms.

They really need to bring back the $1 million bonus for the highest points earner in all 3 TC races or something.

This "we're pointing for Grade 1s later in the year" excuse is utterly ridiculous. Certainly those "later" Grade 1s they are referring to have been won in previous years by horses that competed in the Preakness.

One of those has a statue in the paddock at Saratoga...

King Glorious 05-06-2021 08:09 PM

The bonus would help but this is not surprising to me at all and it’s why I think the TC is getting easier to win than people realize. I think it’s odds-on that Concert Tour doesn’t run either.

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2021 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1152749)
The bonus would help but this is not surprising to me at all and it’s why I think the TC is getting easier to win than people realize. I think it’s odds-on that Concert Tour doesn’t run either.

I’ll bet you $100, with the loser giving the money to the racing charity of the other’s choice, that he runs ( giving you the best of it since you think he’s odds on not to run ).

King Glorious 05-06-2021 09:43 PM

You’re on.

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2021 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1152751)
You’re on.

:tro:


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