When these fillies go off they stay off....she ain't firing on all cylinders like,she was. I'd be nervous playing her into the fall.

Probably wont see her again. Kudos to Maggie for putting some perspective on that performance. Oh and I respect Stabile but IMO he's embarrassing himself with this best since Ruffian talk. Royal Delta IMO was much better then Songbird.

Have to agree that the Big A is totally out of sorts. Sweet guy has improved on air but geez man have a cocktail watch some of the other great fillies on you tube and move on. Extremely happy for Mr Porter but Round Pond would have beat Songbird today and that is not a glowing endorsement

The final quarter in 26.2 gutted her after loping on an uncontested lead with slugs behind her. Great career but lets be honest she was as dressed up as any Champion ever to run. She ran 1 outstanding race in her career, that would measure up in part to her ridiculous rep and it was in defeat (so what)

She drowned everyone for two years. What are you talking about freddy ? How many grade I races do you have to win ? All those fillies she thrashed showed promise.....then she came along and dashed their dreams. Try reading her pps and maybe watch a replay or 3.

The best horse she beat is an over hyped Rachel's Valentina and a very good Forever Unbridled that was pace compromised in her 1 of 2 excellent races both being on BC Day.. She will get maybe a 94 BSF today I think she has cracked 100 twice.. He isnt that fast never was

Showing promise? to be considered as an all time great you have to beat better then showing promise stock. Like Personal Ensign did in beating the KD winner. Like a Zenyatta did beating boys in the Classic and just missing, like a Rachel did in the Oaks Preakness Haskell Woodward.. Preakness Haskell Woodward BOYS BOYS MEN huge speed figs in all.. This filly is life or death to crack 100.. Mo Kat Land over Sea and a 8f Carina Mia aint winning colors nor the Belmont and KD winner or the great horses Zenyatta flew past

Monarchos was a way better hoss than chrome or American pharaoh since he broke 2:00 in the derby.....right . ????

Dude you are delusional. Who's everyone Carina Mia? Did she beat Beholder lol

Everyone means all hosses she ran against until the distaff..... read the form rockhead. Did you watch that replay yet ?

No that's silly I didnt suggest race time I posted speed figs

You are out of control.

How fast is she supposed to go Freddy. She's open lengths in front. When anyone came to her she ran away. Beholder isn't exactly chopped liver. Unbridled Forever is awesome too. Do you think any less of Beholder because she got beat a nose by Songbird in 1:49 and change ? Of course not, she's a great racemare

Lol omg

Why don't you go bet some imaginary $1200 doubles at Indiana grande?

Maybe throw in a $500 pick 4 3x3x4xall or something like that ?

Lol

I could take a good 40 claimer run them every 3 weeks against lesser and they would win by open lengths. Songbird has had 2 outstanding races in her career a glorious career I might add. Because she beat Mo Kat and friends in Cal, at no fault of hers, and distance challenged Mia Caramia or whatever her name is in a slow poke Alabama doesnt make her a fast horse..
I f Arrogate would have won the Travers in 2:03 by 8 nobody would have been wowed. There is a difference between horses that win because of circumstance an horses that dominant excellent rivals.

Being objective isnt a slight on her amazing career and everyone would pray for a horse as good as Songbird but she just was born in the right year and faced a bunch of OK horses except on the day she had her own way and should have draw off IF she was all that

Drew off like beholder did in the pacific classic ? Funny how beholder could draw off against s bunch of older males , but not a 3 year old filly. They all had dream trips in that race except stellar wind who got left.

Fascinating turn of events........right ?
Songbird is one of the two "it" horses in training,so when she didn't fire her usual shot today it was newsworthy.
The question is obvious.........is she as good now as she was in her Championship seasons ?
Beats me.....
She looked OK via the head on,she ran straight and when Mike Smith moved her out a bit to see the other horse she wasn't going to let that one get past her.
She had her usual rear wraps on,so that was fine.
She just didn't have her game on today.
It's hard to fire a giant race every single time,no horse really can.
Probably the only one that really knows where she's at is Hollendorfer.........he doesn't miss a whole lot.
I do wonder if he had her cranked up to the gills today.....
Her next race will be more conclusive as to where she's at.
She's still a champion and near impossible to beat,so I wouldn't sell her short.

I just watched the race. I don't really get the doom and gloom. She ran about as I expected. Her being off is likely a case of the rose lenses getting cracked.

I just watched the race and I really think that if Edwin Gonazalez sent the 4 like he should've (instead of putting her in a headlock), things would've been a hell of a lot more interesting at the wire. Smith wouldn't have had the opportunity to loaf on the inside for the first 3/4's.

What could be more interesting then fending off Martini Glass who started her career in Mdn 16's and couldn't win listed stakes finishing 7th against a field of ordinary

How long did it take you to think up that gem of a post Freddy ?

In her defenshe, she ran as fast as she needed to win

Hey at least the rest of the field gets to have trumped up BSFs on their resumes now.

93 was too high ? Not !

So I guess No Distortion is gonna have a monster year!

So NY bred , send it in ran a 119 beyer for running 2:02. 07 ....

Beyer figures are suspect when there is only one race at the distance ? Or does it depend on if the guy making them is half shitfaced at the time ?

I thought 94 and posted it above that said I am no expert. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of making speed figures could have guessed within 2-3 points.. That said what fig you want to assign to the 2nd and 3rd place finishers, They are what they are barely listed stakes contenders, they are b circuit listed stakes contenders that go off at odds of 7+ to 1 against fillies like Browse that would be 10/1 in a excellent allowance at SPA. Face it Songbird was dreadful in victory yesterday, when you cant shake Martini Glass after lounging uncontested in a field of glorified 40 claimers you cant lay claim to being GOAT or even remotely close.

Wonderful career let's pray they dont go in Woodward

It would be the personal ensign. After 8 belles, no mas vs the boys.
( PE was another of my all time faves. Her will to win against that big grey filly in her final race was spine tingling)

I hope she comes out of the Delaware ok. I have watched so much of her that I am concerned. As I said yesterday, she was not walking like her usual self after the race. I hope it was just my vivid imagination. She might not be able to handle her increased size from last year.

Agree with all of this.. Porter would like a shot at HoY only way she would be a viable candidate if she wins Woodward

You agree with all of that, Freddy? Despite the fact that he said something 100% factually incorrect, you agree with it?

He ran Havre de Grace against the boys three years after Eight Belles ran in the KY Derby.

Those damn facts. Always getting in the way.

freddymo, I give you a ton of credit for repeatedly answering reasonably in the face of out-of-control hysteria. If there's a trophy for patience, you've won it several times. :tro::tro::tro:

Apples and oranges . That was a different type of filly than Songbird. Songbird is a lady.

I enjoy most of your postings sometimes your real deep cuts are hilarious to those that get them. Even those where I am the target. The Sky Low Low reference nearly had me spitting coffee out my nose. That leads me to ask. Is your Songbird love Kafabe?

I missed Havre de Grace who also would have trounced Songbird or shall I say Lady Songbird... Lady Songbird because her future spouse whomever Mandy Pope chooses (will assume tapit) Is Sir Tapit

Kind of a cop out No? Let's see if Hollendorfer talks Porter out of Woodward.

I think lady songbird gets sold, instead of automatically going to sir tapit. Didn't porter sell that brutish of a mare, Havre de Grace?

yep 10mil dont think its been a fruitful acquisition for the buyer

Gosh Freddy, she has a 3yo that's made a couple starts (2/0-0-1) and a 2yo that hasn't started yet. How 'fruitful' would anyone expect the acquisition to be at this juncture?

Perhaps it escapes you that she has attempted to sell both I believe. Remember the "ReserveGate" ?