Or the part about them making 10 times what they were making in their "cultured" countries.

Well said!

Two track records!!! And who in the KY breeding business will be happy to see that except the people at Darley?

Don't forget our founding fathers.

This may be the most ill-informed post yet! (I'd say stupid but I dont want an $11 million dollar lawsuit) Breeding only exists because of racing, not vice versa. You are comparing tax revenues from the sale of horses to the gambling industry??? The revenues from gambling are often nothing??? Do you think that non profits like Del Mar and Keeneland just keep all the money? I can hardly type.....

Who are you marketing to? There is a very select number of people that play in that area code and one of them(coolmore) aint buying.

A.P. Indy Retires At the Age of 3
 

A.P. Indy Retires At the Age of 3

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...51C1A964958260

I just wonder, did anyone complain as much when AP Indy retired?

Of course.

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Would you like a few more, "Georgie"?

Let them retire this horse. Who cares? It's their horse -- and if they want to send him to stud so be it.

Ask yourself the question . . . right now . . . how much money are you going to make by betting on Bernardini? At 1-9?

Racing survived long before Bernardini. And it will survive long after Bernardini.

Some of you sound like a love stricken high school cheeleader. Maybe you have a picture of Bernardini inside your locker or something. Grow up.

Frankly, I think he's a big hype job anyway.

they do.

Its called the Whitney, Woodward, and Jockey Club Gold Cup.

if winning a Grade 1 at Saratoga or at the Fall Championship meet is not enough for an owner to keep a horse in training as a 4YO, no race will.

on the west coast, theres the the triple that Lava Man accomplished this year.



Repent

well,
Ap Indy had his soundness issues from what I remember(I was kind of young).
Im not aware of any health problems Bern has had.

Repent

The only problems Indy had were the quarter crack issue that kept him from running in the Derby. Once that was patched up and taken care of, he didn't have any problems thereafter. I was very annoyed, though not surprised, about his retirement - I was just glad he was staying in the US. As his owner was Japanese, I thought maybe he'd be sent to stud there.

There is no excuse for Bernardini's retirement - the horse is as sound as a dollar and has so much to give on the racetrack. There are no words in the English language to describe how I feel about what the Sheikh is doing.

As posted elsewhere, I find this list totally absurd. Many of the horses listed have been successful sires, while others had physical handicaps to sire success (low or non-existent fertility) and yet others are too young to make any judgement about. Many of them were not as fashionably bred as Bernardini and were not expected to become top level sires as a consequence. I am astonished that you accept Mr. BB's statement so uncritically.

Let's see, a person in the industry, and Pedigree Ann's opinion (who in my opinion really knows her stuff) against Bold Brooklynite and DaHoss.

That is a tough one.

You being the expert DaHoss, please tell me which horse on that list has the pedigree, race record, and conformation of Bernardini? Not to mention, about 1/2 of those horses did quite well in the shed.

Do you know what risk management means?

Nobody can see the future, Risen Star for example was poorly managed (on and off the track) and died way early...but who is to say what the future holds for Bernardini? I have a problem with a few on his list but most certainly did not meet expectations...Ack Ack is one that I think did fine, CDR and the sire of my all time favorite horse/stallion Broad Brush...there are those who call Secretariat a "failure" at stud because the expectations were that he would reproduce himself (well...duh!), with Star and the Iron Lady to his credit, a huge influence on the mare side and solid CDR credentials, I think he was successful...it's how does one define "success"? The thing is that with his breeding and track success, Bernardini will have every opportunity to succeed, he will immediately be booked to the best mares and the Godolphin crowd will make every effort to convert him to their foundation dirt sire...but memories of Dubai Millenium do linger...bottom line: I like his chances but I wouldn't bet the ranch!

Yes, Darley owns all the mares he will breed with and stallions fees going up only helps Darley. There are no pinhookers in the business and there the people like Fasig Tipton do their job for free. Sales prices going up help nobody but Darley. If Bernardini gets $300K do you think AP Indy is going to not go up?

Yep, I was ticked at that. I've also never been a fan of Hanc-ock (had to hyphenate, or it wouldn't print the second syllable!) since he retired Forty-Niner as a 3-yr-old. You can imagine how heart-broken I was that Forty-Niner was no factor in his last race, the BC Classic. (he took a bad step, according to Julie Krone, but his retirement had already been announced.) But at least Forty-Niner ran 19 times in his career, 13 times as a 3-yr-old. That looks pretty good in comparison to the horses being whisked off today.

--Dunbar

You're correct about Ack Ack ... his line still exists ... and ...

... you'll note that Secretariat was not on the list as a failure ... though he was a disappointment ... and his male line is totally dead.

Is there a question as to why I no longer respond to this trolls posts?
All he/she brings to this board are insults and arrogance.
There are two others that I don't respond to also.
Waste of time.
Calling names of winners is a whole lot different than calling names at posters.
Frankly, I've had enough of them.
They just spread their manure all over this board.

See what I mean about names and insults?
Where's a race pick in a current race?
Pathetic!

I'm sure if you own a mare that you'll want to pay MORE for the stud fee!!! Paying more makes it HARDER to pinhook, who gives a damn what the people at Fasig Tipton do, and sale prices going up hurts the racing industry.
I'm sure that AP Indy wont go up no matter what Bernardini does or gets.

I agree. everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. Its fun to dispute opinions, but when names are being called then you dont want to stay around to dispute more opinions... it ruins the threads.

Let's reminisce!
 

GW on Bernardini. I guess he talked to the wrong insiders for this information
:D

More humor!!
 

A charter member of the Bernardinians.
Track record, Better than Secretariat, A can't miss?

Does Rex Reed right your material?

Thank you for providing links!

but ist that true for most big players ??? Why single out SHK MO ??

Like who???

Coolmore...

Coolmore is about making money by marketing stallions not racing dominance

Thanks, Jim. I'll bump up GW's thoughtful analysis because I love it when people are SO sure of something:


No room for any doubt there, I guess.

--Dunbar

Thanks, that type of analysis is deserving of a bump. The kool-aid was really flowing when he penned that missive.

I just hope he is not scheduled for any more guest lectures on copywrite law.

I imagine he will be back shortly. He doesn't strike me as the kind to just go away, he hasn't yet.

Every one of the major owner/breeders knows that breeding is where the money is. The racing (for all of them) is merely a means of establishing the breeding value of a horse.

This is true of everyone from Sheikh Mohammed to the Coolmore gang to Mr. Farish to Fusao Sekiguchi to Shadai Farm.

Sadly the modern racing fan needs to deal with the fact that the only reason for the racing career is to establish breeding value and once that value is maximized, the horse will leave the racing realm.