Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Steve Dellinger Discourse Den (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=4)
-   -   How Selfish Can Omama Be (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48919)

dalakhani 10-31-2012 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899552)
Actually, no - If Romney wins Ohio, he still has to virtually run the board in the eight swings to get to 270.

I think that is likely to happen. If Obama can't carry Ohio, I don't think its likely that he carries the other states. I thnk he carries Ohio and wins the election but if he can't, he is toast in my opinion.

In what scenario do you see obama losing ohio and winning?

Riot 10-31-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 899556)
I think that is likely to happen. If Obama can't carry Ohio, I don't think its likely that he carries the other states. I thnk he carries Ohio and wins the election but if he can't, he is toast in my opinion.

In what scenario do you see obama losing ohio and winning?

As of today, Obama is ahead in all the swing states but North Carolina. Look at Rupert's anonymous data, it even agrees - but unlike Nate Silver, it colors North Carolina as going blue for Obama. That means Obama would sweep all the swings, and the Ipsos/Reuters Obama electoral landslide would happen.

Obama only has to win 2 out of 3 of Ohio, Florida, Colorado to win. Romney could take all the rest of the swings, but Obama would still win.

Romney has to win all three of OH, FL, and Colorado, plus nearly run the table on the rest (the other 5)

Here is Nate Silvers aggregate of national and state polling as of midnight, tonight (including todays polling)


Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899553)
Nobody is "attacking" anybody. Get a grip. You posted one poll. I posted the most reliable aggregator of polls in the business.

Who is your pollster, and what day was it taken? Likely voters, or registered voters? Third time I've asked you - are you simply refusing to answer?

PS - you might look at the colors on the chart you posted - see all the "tossup" states blue? That means they are going Obama. And North Carolina, long thought to go Romney, is even blue via your anonymous pollster

Have you seen the polls released today? Did you look at the 538 site? What is your comment on the aggregation of Obama as being over 270 votes since June? He's gone way up and way down, but always been over 270.

Other than your dismissal of the information as a "left leaning pollster" when the guy doesn't even do any polling.

Your own poll shows Romney leading in FL, yet you posted that FL is "Likely Obama".... You are the definition of "FRAUD"

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-31-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899546)
Oh I see, you post the two most left leaning polls in existence as judge others. Got it. You are screwed and you know it.

thats her m.o..she plays it to the hilt..but in the end she will lose..and probebly take her own life if the light.obama were voted out... then she will blame the storm.and how the election should have been postponed..

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899557)
As of today, Obama is ahead in all the swing states but North Carolina. Look at Rupert's anonymous data, it even agrees.

Obama only has to win 2 out of 3 of Ohio, Florida, Colorado to win. Romney has to win all three, plus nearly run the table on the rest.

Obama has lost any advantage in CO and FL and is losing both by your poll. OH is a toss up by every poll other than the 5 lefty polls that the NYT (the bastion of truth) guy "aggregates" ...lolololololol

Riot 10-31-2012 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899558)
Your own poll shows Romney leading in FL, yet you posted that FL is "Likely Obama".... You are the definition of "FRAUD"

No, Rupert, stop calling names and try to understand how polling works. You have to look at the daily polling trends, and where the state has been.

All polls in Florida have Romney barely ahead, and have been trending down in Romney, and strongly Obama, for weeks now.

Plus, now Florida is trending solidly Obama based upon actual early voting results with massive Democratic turnout greater than 2008. Obama already is leading the early voting by 60%, which banks a great lead for him.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 899556)
I think that is likely to happen. If Obama can't carry Ohio, I don't think its likely that he carries the other states. I thnk he carries Ohio and wins the election but if he can't, he is toast in my opinion.

In what scenario do you see obama losing ohio and winning?

The polls are still open when the exit polling and initial precinct data from OH will be released. NV will typically follow suit. You have it right - OH will sway the election.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899561)
Obama already is leading the early voting by 60%, which banks a great lead for him.

Hahaha so they gave you access to the early voting records? Or is this more of the New York Times bullspit?

Riot 10-31-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899560)
Obama has lost any advantage in CO and FL and is losing both by your poll. OH is a toss up by every poll other than the 5 lefty polls that the NYT (the bastion of truth) guy "aggregates" ...lolololololol

I suggest you read the article accompanying the polling on the site I listed, so you understand polling.

Keep hoping for a Romney win - but that's barely a 1 in 5 chance at this point, and falling daily. Obama is at about 80% right now to win.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-31-2012 07:17 PM

now Florida is trending solidly Obama based upon actual early voting results with massive Democratic turnout greater than 2008. Obama already is leading the early voting by 60%.
you are delusional..

Riot 10-31-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899563)
Hahaha so they gave you access to the early voting records? Or is this more of the New York Times bullspit?

As you are obviously completely ignorant of how early voting in the early voting states is assessed, I suggest you try google.

Edit: here, I took pity on your not knowing what you are talking about - here is a chart of all current early voting results as of today, in all the early voting states:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...performs-2008/

Riot 10-31-2012 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899565)
now Florida is trending solidly Obama based upon actual early voting results with massive Democratic turnout greater than 2008. Obama already is leading the early voting by 60%.
you are delusional..

You keep telling yourself that, because the electoral college results are saying you're gone from here the evening of November 6 :D

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-31-2012 07:23 PM

Download our dataRSS
CSV
API Latest Polls
Pollster Dates Pop. Romney Obama Undecided Margin
Gravis Marketing NEW! 10/30 - 10/30 549 LV 50 47 4 Romney +3
JZ Analytics/Newsmax 10/27 - 10/29 828 LV 47 48 5 Obama +1
PPP (D) 10/26 - 10/28 687 LV 48 49 3 Obama +1
CNN 10/25 - 10/28 770 LV 50 49 1 Romney +1
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS NEW! 10/23 - 10/28 1,073 LV 47 48 3 Obama +1
SurveyUSA 10/25 - 10/27 595 LV 47 47 5 -
Rasmussen 10/25 - 10/25 750 LV 50 48 1 Romney +2
Gravis Marketing 10/24 - 10/24 1,182 LV 50 49 2 Romney +1
Grove Insight (D-Project New America/USAction) 10/23 - 10/24 600 LV 45 47 7 Obama +2
Sunshine State News/VSS 10/22 - 10/24 1,001 LV 51 46 2 Romney +5
Pharos Research Group 10/19 - 10/21 759 LV 47 47 - -
Mellman (D-Americans United for Change) 10/18 - 10/21 800 LV 47 47 6 -
Angus-Reid 10/18 - 10/20 482 LV 51 46 - Romney +5
Rasmussen 10/18 - 10/18 750 LV 51 46 2 Romney +5
Grove Insight (D-Project New America) 10/17 - 10/18 600 LV 45 48 6 Obama +3
CNN 10/17 - 10/18 681 LV 49 48 2 Romney +1
PPP (D)/WPTV/FL Democracy/TCPalm 10/17 - 10/18 800 LV 48 47 4 Romney +1
FOX 10/17 - 10/18 1,215 LV 48 45 6 Romney +3
SurveyUSA 10/17 - 10/18 600 LV 46 47 5 Obama +1
JZ Analytics/Newsmax 10/16 - 10/18 842 LV 42 48 10 Obama +6
Gravis Marketing 10/13 - 10/14 617 LV 49 48 - Romney +1
PPP (D) 10/12 - 10/14 791 LV 49 48 3 Romney +1
Rasmussen 10/11 - 10/11 750 LV 51 47 2 Romney +4
ARG 10/8 - 10/11 600 LV 49 46 4 Romney +3
YouGov 10/4 - 10/11 1,244 LV 47 48 2 Obama +1
Mason-Dixon 10/8 - 10/10 800 LV 51 44 4 Romney +7
NBC/WSJ/Marist 10/7 - 10/9 988 LV 47 48 4 Obama +1
UNF 10/1 - 10/9 653 LV 45 49 4 Obama +4
Rasmussen 10/4 - 10/4 500 LV 49 47 3 Romney +2
We Ask America 10/4 - 10/4 1,200 LV 49 46 4 Romney +3
NBC/WSJ/Marist 9/30 - 10/1 890 LV 46 47 6 Obama +1
Gravis Marketing 9/29 - 9/30 914 LV 48 49 3 Obama +1
Suffolk 9/27 - 9/30 600 LV 43 46 8 Obama +3
InsiderAdvantage/Florida Times-Union 9/24 - 9/24 540 LV 46 49 4 Obama +3
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS 9/18 - 9/24 1,196 LV 44 53 3 Obama +9
PPP (D) 9/20 - 9/23 861 LV 46 50 4 Obama +4
Washington Post 9/19 - 9/23 769 LV 47 51 1 Obama +4
ARG 9/20 - 9/22 600 LV 45 50 4 Obama +5
Mason-Dixon 9/17 - 9/19 800 LV 47 48 4 Obama +1
Purple Strategies 9/15 - 9/19 600 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
We Ask America 9/18 - 9/18 1,230 LV 46 49 4 Obama +3
FOX 9/16 - 9/18 829 LV 44 49 5 Obama +5
Gravis Marketing 9/15 - 9/16 1,728 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
YouGov 9/7 - 9/14 1,415 LV 47 49 2 Obama +2
Rasmussen 9/12 - 9/12 500 LV 46 48 3 Obama +2
Caddell/McLaughlin (R)/Secure America Now 9/11 - 9/12 600 LV 48 44 9 Romney +4
NBC/WSJ/Marist 9/9 - 9/11 980 LV 44 49 5 Obama +5
Consensus Communications (R) 9/8 - 9/11 606 LV 42 42 - -
McLaughlin (R)/AIF 9/9 - 9/10 600 LV 50 47 3 Romney +3
SurveyUSA 9/7 - 9/9 596 LV 44 48 5 Obama +4
Gravis Marketing 9/2 - 9/2 1,288 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
PPP (D) 8/31 - 9/2 1,548 LV 47 48 4 Obama +1
CNN/Time/ORC 8/22 - 8/26 776 LV 46 50 3 Obama +4
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS 8/15 - 8/21 1,241 LV 46 49 - Obama +3
Gravis Marketing 8/20 - 8/20 728 LV 48 45 - Romney +3
FMWB (D) 8/17 - 8/17 1,503 LV 54 40 5 Romney +14
Rasmussen 8/15 - 8/15 500 LV 45 43 8 Romney +2
Purple Strategies 8/13 - 8/14 600 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS 7/24 - 7/30 1,177 LV 45 51 4 Obama +6
PPP (D) 7/26 - 7/29 871 LV 47 48 5 Obama +1
SurveyUSA 7/17 - 7/19 647 LV 43 48 5 Obama +5
Purple Strategies 7/9 - 7/13 600 LV 48 45 7 Romney +3
Mason-Dixon 7/9 - 7/11 800 LV 45 46 7 Obama +1
Rasmussen 7/9 - 7/9 500 LV 46 45 4 Romney +1
Garin-Hart-Yang (D-Priorities USA) 6/25 - 7/3 803 LV 44 48 - Obama +4
We Ask America 7/1 - 7/2 1,127 LV 45 46 9 Obama +1
Quinnipiac 6/19 - 6/25 1,200 RV 41 45 12 Obama +4
Quinnipiac 6/12 - 6/18 1,697 RV 42 46 9 Obama +4
Purple Strategies 5/31 - 6/5 600 LV 49 45 6 Romney +4
PPP (D) 5/31 - 6/3 642 LV 46 50 4 Obama +4
Quinnipiac 5/15 - 5/21 1,722 RV 47 41 10 Romney +6
NBC/Marist 5/17 - 5/20 1,078 RV 44 48 7 Obama +4
Suffolk 5/6 - 5/8 600 RV 45 46 8 Obama +1
Quinnipiac 4/25 - 5/1 1,169 RV 44 43 11 Romney +1
Rasmussen 4/25 - 4/25 500 LV 46 45 3 Romney +1
Purple Strategies 4/19 - 4/23 600 LV 47 45 7 Romney +2
FOX 4/15 - 4/17 757 RV 43 45 11 Obama +2
PPP (D) 4/12 - 4/15 700 LV 45 50 5 Obama +5
Quinnipiac 3/20 - 3/26 1,228 RV 42 49 5 Obama +7
Rasmussen 3/13 - 3/13 500 LV 43 46 4 Obama +3
Rasmussen 2/9 - 2/9 500 LV 44 47 3 Obama +3
Marist College 1/25 - 1/27 1,379 LV 41 49 10 Obama +8
Mason-Dixon 1/24 - 1/26 800 LV 48 44 - Romney +4
Suffolk 1/22 - 1/24 600 RV 47 42 10 Romney +5
Quinnipiac 1/19 - 1/23 1,518 RV 45 45 6 -
Tarrance (R-Walker) 1/17 - 1/18 607 LV 45 46 9 Obama +1
Quinnipiac 1/4 - 1/8 1,412 RV 46 43 6 Romney +3
Marist College 12/4 - 12/7/11 2,119 LV 41 48 11 Obama +7
Quinnipiac 11/28 - 12/5/11 1,226 RV 45 42 6 Romney +3
PPP (D) 11/28 - 12/1/11 700 LV 44 45 11 Obama +1
Rasmussen 11/17 - 11/17/11 500 LV 46 42 4 Romney +4
Quinnipiac 10/31 - 11/7/11 1,185 RV 45 42 8 Romney +3
Marist College 10/10 - 10/12/11 2,225 LV 43 45 12 Obama +2
PPP (D) 6/16 - 6/19/11 848 LV 43 47 10 Obama +4
Suffolk 4/10 - 4/12/11 600 RV 43 42 10 Romney +1
Mason-Dixon 4/4 - 4/7/11 800 LV 48 43 - Romney +5
PPP (D) 3/24 - 3/27/11 1,034 LV 44 46 11 Obama +2
Pollster Dates Pop. Romney Obama Undecided Margin
Gravis Marketing NEW! 10/30 - 10/30 549 LV 50 47 4 Romney +3
JZ Analytics/Newsmax 10/27 - 10/29 828 LV 47 48 5 Obama +1
PPP (D) 10/26 - 10/28 687 LV 48 49 3 Obama +1
CNN 10/25 - 10/28 770 LV 50 49 1 Romney +1
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS NEW! 10/23 - 10/28 1,073 LV 47 48 3 Obama +1
SurveyUSA 10/25 - 10/27 595 LV 47 47 5 -
Rasmussen 10/25 - 10/25 750 LV 50 48 1 Romney +2
Gravis Marketing 10/24 - 10/24 1,182 LV 50 49 2 Romney +1
Grove Insight (D-Project New America/USAction) 10/23 - 10/24 600 LV 45 47 7 Obama +2
Sunshine State News/VSS 10/22 - 10/24 1,001 LV 51 46 2 Romney +5
Pharos Research Group 10/19 - 10/21 759 LV 47 47 - -
Mellman (D-Americans United for Change) 10/18 - 10/21 800 LV 47 47 6 -
Angus-Reid 10/18 - 10/20 482 LV 51 46 - Romney +5
Rasmussen 10/18 - 10/18 750 LV 51 46 2 Romney +5
Grove Insight (D-Project New America) 10/17 - 10/18 600 LV 45 48 6 Obama +3
CNN 10/17 - 10/18 681 LV 49 48 2 Romney +1
PPP (D)/WPTV/FL Democracy/TCPalm 10/17 - 10/18 800 LV 48 47 4 Romney +1
FOX 10/17 - 10/18 1,215 LV 48 45 6 Romney +3
SurveyUSA 10/17 - 10/18 600 LV 46 47 5 Obama +1
JZ Analytics/Newsmax 10/16 - 10/18 842 LV 42 48 10 Obama +6
Gravis Marketing 10/13 - 10/14 617 LV 49 48 - Romney +1
PPP (D) 10/12 - 10/14 791 LV 49 48 3 Romney +1
Rasmussen 10/11 - 10/11 750 LV 51 47 2 Romney +4
ARG 10/8 - 10/11 600 LV 49 46 4 Romney +3
YouGov 10/4 - 10/11 1,244 LV 47 48 2 Obama +1
Mason-Dixon 10/8 - 10/10 800 LV 51 44 4 Romney +7
NBC/WSJ/Marist 10/7 - 10/9 988 LV 47 48 4 Obama +1
UNF 10/1 - 10/9 653 LV 45 49 4 Obama +4
Rasmussen 10/4 - 10/4 500 LV 49 47 3 Romney +2
We Ask America 10/4 - 10/4 1,200 LV 49 46 4 Romney +3
NBC/WSJ/Marist 9/30 - 10/1 890 LV 46 47 6 Obama +1
Gravis Marketing 9/29 - 9/30 914 LV 48 49 3 Obama +1
Suffolk 9/27 - 9/30 600 LV 43 46 8 Obama +3
InsiderAdvantage/Florida Times-Union 9/24 - 9/24 540 LV 46 49 4 Obama +3
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS 9/18 - 9/24 1,196 LV 44 53 3 Obama +9
PPP (D) 9/20 - 9/23 861 LV 46 50 4 Obama +4
Washington Post 9/19 - 9/23 769 LV 47 51 1 Obama +4
ARG 9/20 - 9/22 600 LV 45 50 4 Obama +5
Mason-Dixon 9/17 - 9/19 800 LV 47 48 4 Obama +1
Purple Strategies 9/15 - 9/19 600 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
We Ask America 9/18 - 9/18 1,230 LV 46 49 4 Obama +3
FOX 9/16 - 9/18 829 LV 44 49 5 Obama +5
Gravis Marketing 9/15 - 9/16 1,728 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
YouGov 9/7 - 9/14 1,415 LV 47 49 2 Obama +2
Rasmussen 9/12 - 9/12 500 LV 46 48 3 Obama +2
Caddell/McLaughlin (R)/Secure America Now 9/11 - 9/12 600 LV 48 44 9 Romney +4
NBC/WSJ/Marist 9/9 - 9/11 980 LV 44 49 5 Obama +5
Consensus Communications (R) 9/8 - 9/11 606 LV 42 42 - -
McLaughlin (R)/AIF 9/9 - 9/10 600 LV 50 47 3 Romney +3
SurveyUSA 9/7 - 9/9 596 LV 44 48 5 Obama +4
Gravis Marketing 9/2 - 9/2 1,288 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
PPP (D) 8/31 - 9/2 1,548 LV 47 48 4 Obama +1
CNN/Time/ORC 8/22 - 8/26 776 LV 46 50 3 Obama +4
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS 8/15 - 8/21 1,241 LV 46 49 - Obama +3
Gravis Marketing 8/20 - 8/20 728 LV 48 45 - Romney +3
FMWB (D) 8/17 - 8/17 1,503 LV 54 40 5 Romney +14
Rasmussen 8/15 - 8/15 500 LV 45 43 8 Romney +2
Purple Strategies 8/13 - 8/14 600 LV 48 47 5 Romney +1
Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS 7/24 - 7/30 1,177 LV 45 51 4 Obama +6
PPP (D) 7/26 - 7/29 871 LV 47 48 5 Obama +1
SurveyUSA 7/17 - 7/19 647 LV 43 48 5 Obama +5
Purple Strategies 7/9 - 7/13 600 LV 48 45 7 Romney +3
Mason-Dixon 7/9 - 7/11 800 LV 45 46 7 Obama +1
Rasmussen 7/9 - 7/9 500 LV 46 45 4 Romney +1
Garin-Hart-Yang (D-Priorities USA) 6/25 - 7/3 803 LV 44 48 - Obama +4
We Ask America 7/1 - 7/2 1,127 LV 45 46 9 Obama +1
Quinnipiac 6/19 - 6/25 1,200 RV 41 45 12 Obama +4
Quinnipiac 6/12 - 6/18 1,697 RV 42 46 9 Obama +4
Purple Strategies 5/31 - 6/5 600 LV 49 45 6 Romney +4
PPP (D) 5/31 - 6/3 642 LV 46 50 4 Obama +4
Quinnipiac 5/15 - 5/21 1,722 RV 47 41 10 Romney +6
NBC/Marist 5/17 - 5/20 1,078 RV 44 48 7 Obama +4
Suffolk 5/6 - 5/8 600 RV 45 46 8 Obama +1
Quinnipiac 4/25 - 5/1 1,169 RV 44 43 11 Romney +1
Rasmussen 4/25 - 4/25 500 LV 46 45 3 Romney +1
Purple Strategies 4/19 - 4/23 600 LV 47 45 7 Romney +2
FOX 4/15 - 4/17 757 RV 43 45 11 Obama +2
PPP (D) 4/12 - 4/15 700 LV 45 50 5 Obama +5
Quinnipiac 3/20 - 3/26 1,228 RV 42 49 5 Obama +7
Rasmussen 3/13 - 3/13 500 LV 43 46 4 Obama +3
Rasmussen 2/9 - 2/9 500 LV 44 47 3 Obama +3
Marist College 1/25 - 1/27 1,379 LV 41 49 10 Obama +8
Mason-Dixon 1/24 - 1/26 800 LV 48 44 - Romney +4
Suffolk 1/22 - 1/24 600 RV 47 42 10 Romney +5
Quinnipiac 1/19 - 1/23 1,518 RV 45 45 6 -
Tarrance (R-Walker) 1/17 - 1/18 607 LV 45 46 9 Obama +1
Quinnipiac 1/4 - 1/8 1,412 RV 46 43 6 Romney +3
Marist College 12/4 - 12/7/11 2,119 LV 41 48 11 Obama +7
Quinnipiac 11/28 - 12/5/11 1,226 RV 45 42 6 Romney +3
PPP (D) 11/28 - 12/1/11 700 LV 44 45 11 Obama +1
Rasmussen 11/17 - 11/17/11 500 LV 46 42 4 Romney +4
Quinnipiac 10/31 - 11/7/11 1,185 RV 45 42 8 Romney +3
Marist College 10/10 - 10/12/11 2,225 LV 43 45 12 Obama +2
PPP (D) 6/16 - 6/19/11 848 LV 43 47 10 Obama +4
Suffolk 4/10 - 4/12/11 600 RV 43 42 10 Romney +1
Mason-Dixon 4/4 - 4/7/11 800 LV 48 43 - Romney +5
PPP (D) 3/24 - 3/27/11 1,034 LV 44 46 11 Obama +2
Show more ▼More Poll Charts

Mitt Romney 48.5% Barack Obama 47.4%

Riot 10-31-2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899569)
Download our dataRSS
CSV
API Latest Polls

Yes, posting polls from last April was very helpful, Hooves :tro:

Pollster Dates Pop. Romney Obama Undecided Margin

Gravis Marketing NEW! 10/30 - 10/30 549 LV 50 47 4 Romney +3
(Gravis generally runs with a 4+ GOP sampling bias, so that puts Obama up 1)

JZ Analytics/Newsmax 10/27 - 10/29 828 LV 47 48 5 Obama +1

PPP (D) 10/26 - 10/28 687 LV 48 49 3 Obama +1

CNN 10/25 - 10/28 770 LV 50 49 1 Romney +1
(CNN generally right on)

Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS NEW! 10/23 - 10/28 1,073 LV 47 48 3 Obama +1

SurveyUSA 10/25 - 10/27 595 LV 47 47 5 -

Rasmussen 10/25 - 10/25 750 LV 50 48 1 Romney +2
(House of Ras is very GOP leaning)

Yes - the above show that the national popular vote is close. But it's who wins each state, even by 1 vote, that matters in the electoral college.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899567)
You keep telling yourself that, because the electoral college results are saying you're gone from here the evening of November 6 :D

Please explain how you crowned Obama as Most Likely winning FL when your own poll says the opposite.

Obama got a slight bump by pollsters reading into Christys endorsement of how he said he was going to open the floodgates of borrowed money (ie. remove all red tape) to save his state. Which the President should. These people need help. Now. That is a position held by all, I hope.

But that won't translate on Tuesday. 80% chance?!! Intrade would dispute this by 15% at least.

Riot 10-31-2012 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899571)
Please explain how you crowned Obama as Most Likely winning FL when your own poll says the opposite.

I didn't crown Obama anything - the professional pollsters crowned him. Again, I posted two extremely accurate and well respected poll aggregators, which you just dismissed out of hand as "lefty" (which is simply false) There is plenty of information on their sites about electoral college voting trends.

As I said, you are looking at today's snapshot number, when you have to look at the current daily trend. Polling is being conducted by multiple organizations on a daily basis now. And Obama is gaining daily, and Romney is falling daily.

In Florida, Dems currently hold the advantage in early voting, 43% to 41%.

Quote:

Obama got a slight bump by pollsters reading into Christys endorsement of how he said he was going to open the floodgates of borrowed money (ie. remove all red tape) to save his state. Which the President should. These people need help. Now. That is a position held by all, I hope.

But that won't translate on Tuesday. 80% chance?!! Intrade would dispute this by 15% at least.
Really, none of that has anything to do with affecting the electoral vote, which determines the winner.

This election was pretty well decided months ago, with only 1 significant blip after that (Obama's bad performance the first debate brought Romney up) but then a solidification for Obama, and falling off of Romney, since then.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-31-2012 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899570)
Yes, posting polls from last April was very helpful, Hooves :tro:

Pollster Dates Pop. Romney Obama Undecided Margin

Gravis Marketing NEW! 10/30 - 10/30 549 LV 50 47 4 Romney +3
(Gravis generally runs with a 4+ GOP sampling bias, so that puts Obama up 1)

JZ Analytics/Newsmax 10/27 - 10/29 828 LV 47 48 5 Obama +1

PPP (D) 10/26 - 10/28 687 LV 48 49 3 Obama +1

CNN 10/25 - 10/28 770 LV 50 49 1 Romney +1
(CNN generally right on)

Quinnipiac/NYT/CBS NEW! 10/23 - 10/28 1,073 LV 47 48 3 Obama +1

SurveyUSA 10/25 - 10/27 595 LV 47 47 5 -

Rasmussen 10/25 - 10/25 750 LV 50 48 1 Romney +2
(House of Ras is very GOP leaning)

Yes - the above show that the national popular vote is close. But it's who wins each state, even by 1 vote, that matters in the electoral college.

Gravis Marketing NEW! 10/30 - 10/30 549 LV 50 47 4 Romney +3
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Riot 10-31-2012 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899574)
Gravis Marketing NEW! 10/30 - 10/30 549 LV 50 47 4 Romney +3
:rolleyes:

Please, please, please bet your assumption of election outcome based upon Gravis Marketing :D

You need to read up on who/what Gravis Marketing is, and how they sample :D

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899573)
I didn't crown Obama anything - the professional pollsters crowned him. .

That's a lie. I posted a Rasmussen poll that showed Romney ahead by 2 points in Fl. You questioned the poll and provided your own poll. You said that Obama is the "Most Likely" winner in FL, yet the exact poll you referenced showed the exact opposite.

How do you explain this?

Riot 10-31-2012 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899578)
That's a lie. I posted a Rasmussen poll that showed Romney ahead by 2 points in Fl. You questioned the poll and provided your own poll. You said that Obama is the "Most Likely" winner in FL, yet the exact poll you referenced showed the exact opposite.

How do you explain this?

First: I am posting two aggregate pollsters, Nate Silver 538 and TPM, and both have excellent reputations for accuracy. They take Rasmussen and mix with other polls for a total, overall view.

You are looking at one Republican-leaning poll, only Rasmussen.

Secondly: For the third time, I'll repeat the same explanation: TRENDING

Obama is strongly trending up, Romney trending down. Post Rasmussen Florida for the past 5 days in Florida, Rude. Even House of Ras has Romney trending downwards in Florida.

(Here: this is from Friday, but Ras has Romney trending down in Florida the past week http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...rida_president )

Thirdly: Democrats beating Republican in early voting.

I've very confident of Obama winning Florida. Won't be by much, but he'll win. Even if Romney wins FL, he would have to still run the table with CO, NV, OH, PA, NC, VA, NH.

That is based upon looking at lots of different polls, over the past six months.

Romney simply has no easy way to 270 votes, Obama does. It's a week before the election. What you see is what you get.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-31-2012 08:04 PM

please please tell me you think your going to win..lol

Riot 10-31-2012 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead (Post 899581)
please please tell me you think your going to win..lol

I already did that earlier..lol :D:tro:

bigrun 10-31-2012 08:07 PM

Where is that singing coming from? ... I believe it's the Fat Lady !!!



O w/ MO MT @fivethirtyeight 7 polls released in OH in past 48 hrs: Obama +2, Obama +3, Obama +3, Obama +3, Obama +5, Obama +5, Obama +5.

Riot 10-31-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 899584)
Where is that singing coming from? ... I believe it's the Fat Lady !!!

O w/ MO MT @fivethirtyeight 7 polls released in OH in past 48 hrs: Obama +2, Obama +3, Obama +3, Obama +3, Obama +5, Obama +5, Obama +5.

Yeah, I saw that earlier :tro:

Nate Silver used to be a gambler. Guy is good with number and predictions.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899579)
First: I am posting two aggregate pollsters, Nate Silver 538 and TPM, and both have excellent reputations for accuracy. They take Rasmussen and mix with other polls for a total, overall view.

You are looking at one Republican-leaning poll, only Rasmussen.

Secondly: For the third time, I'll repeat the same explanation: TRENDING

Obama is strongly trending up, Romney trending down. Post Rasmussen Florida for the past 5 days in Florida, Rude. Even House of Ras has Romney trending downwards in Florida.

Thirdly: Democrats beating Republican in early voting.

I've very confident of Obama winning Florida. Won't be by much, but he'll win. Even if Romney wins FL, he would have to still run the table with CO, NV, OH, PA, NC, VA, NH.

Romney simply has no easy way to 270 votes, Obama does. It's a week before the election. What you see is what you get.

He will win FL handily. He is still "Trending" higher in the I10 and I4 corridors which are the key to the state. You state as fact that somehow the state has released official voting records of early voting to you, which is a lie. You are citing exit polling by a left wing website that is ambiguous at best..

Secondly, he can lose OH and PA and still win the EC as he has already shown positive "Trending" in NV, WI, and even OH, and is "Trending" higher than Obama in CO, IA, NH, and VA.

I'm done. You are a joke. We'll see on Tuesday... I'll be traveling, but hope to be close by to wish you nothing but the best for you and your family upon your departure.

Riot 10-31-2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899587)
You state as fact that somehow the state has released official voting records of early voting to you, which is a lie.

No, I did not you moronic idiot

You not knowing how early voting totals are obtained and released to the press is pretty weak reason for calling me a liar. Your ignorance about how early voting is tabulated is not my fault.

I copied to a newspaper article that has the current early voting (all states) - looks like you didn't even bother to click and learn.

Quote:

You are citing exit polling by a left wing website that is ambiguous at best..
That's not where how information on that newspaper website was obtained, doofus

Quote:

I'm done. You are a joke. We'll see on Tuesday... I'll be traveling, but hope to be close by to wish you nothing but the best for you and your family upon your departure.
I clearly am not the joke. You going on and on, comfortable in your ignorance of polling, is pretty funny.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899589)
No, I did not you moronic idiot

You not knowing how early voting totals are obtained and released to the press is pretty weak [/b]

Provide your source, Sugartits.



Hillsborough County (Tampa), for one, says it's illegal.

Riot 10-31-2012 08:30 PM

For Rude: click and learn. Bumbleballs

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899593)
For Rude: click and learn. Bumbleballs

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html

Hahaha you click on the link and it takes you to a Huff Po blog!!! C'mon!!! Get Real!!!

Riot 10-31-2012 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899594)
Hahaha you click on the link and it takes you to a Huff Po blog!!! C'mon!!! Get Real!!!

:zz: Are you drunk?

That is not a HuffPo blog. The web address has the edu. suffix.

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html Try again to use the clicky key.

BTW - you might go back and look at the Rasmussen polling information you posted - it gives Obama 332 to Romney 206 vote Obama electoral win.

Dahoss 10-31-2012 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899519)
Do you know what most liberals think? I'm not making this up. I am serious. Granted I'm talking in general. It's not true for all liberals but in general liberals think that they don't need to give money to charity. They think that simply voting democrat is enough. They feel like they have done their part by voting democrat. They think that if they vote democrat that makes them a good person and no further action is necessary. It's actually kind of funny. They think that if they vote democrat and are vocal about how evil they think republicans are, this makes them a good person and no further good deeds are necessary.

I bet I could do a great job on this site of predicting which people are the least generous when it comes to donating money to charity. I'm not going to mention any names but I would say that in general, if you look at the most outspoken and angry liberals, it would be a safe bet to say that these people gave little or no money to charity.

You're kidding right? I mean, this is you trolling, right?

Has to be.

Because what kind of supporting evidence could you possibly provide to back up your opinion here?

It'd be like me saying I could do a great job predicting who uses the internet to troll for naive pu.ssy. Oh wait, I can do that.

Dahoss 10-31-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899591)
Provide your source, Sugartits.



Hillsborough County (Tampa), for one, says it's illegal.

I just ate. Thanks.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899595)
:zz: Are you drunk?

That is not a HuffPo blog. The web address has the edu. suffix.

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html Try again to use the clicky key.

BTW - you might go back and look at the Rasmussen polling information you posted - it gives Obama 332 to Romney 206 vote Obama electoral win.

Your only link on this "site" specific to Florida is the Miami/Dade results which are always left. The rest of the state has something called "election laws" that prohibit the nonsense. keep on keepin on, playa.

And the first link on the site take you to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michae...b_2027200.html

and all subsequent "blog posts" are all from the Huff Po.

Fair and balanced, as usual. I'd expect nothing less. :D

And you still refuse to explain how your specified AGGREATION POLL shows Romney leading in FL, yet after you quote it, you dismiss the fact.

Comedy.

Riot 10-31-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899606)
Your only link on this "site" specific to Florida is the Miami/Dade results which are always left. The rest of the state has something called "election laws" that prohibit the nonsense. keep on keepin on, playa.

And the first link on the site take you to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michae...b_2027200.html

and all subsequent "blog posts" are all from the Huff Po.

Fair and balanced, as usual. I'd expect nothing less. :D

:zz: Are you just not intelligent enough to understand the information on the site? It has nothing to do with Huffington Post. There is no need to follow any link to any media site (of which many are listed)

Seriously - are you drunk right now? Did you miss this:

Quote:

About These Statistics

Election officials may not report early voting statistics. I attempt to collect as much of the information about these ballots as possible. However, I do not hound election officials for these statistics because they are busy doing the important work of preparing for the upcoming election. Sometimes data will be available only at the local level. I cannot continuously scan for local data, so I appreciate tips on where to find data.
Breakdowns of early voters by party registration, where available, are not votes for president. We do not know who a person registered with a party voted for; these early votes are tabulated on Election Day or after, depending on state law. That said, we might infer that a person registered with a party is likely to support their party's presidential nominee.
A county is listed if a state does not report statewide early vote statistics and the county does report early vote statistics.

Early Voting Statistics
Some numbers provided courtesy of the Associated Press Election Research Group or election officials.

Quote:

And you still refuse to explain how your specified AGGREATION POLL shows Romney leading in FL, yet after you quote it, you dismiss the fact.

Comedy.
Other than the three times I did explain it, including linking to your own Rasmussen site to illustration what I said about trending, I again have to ask,

Seriously - are you drunk right now? Or just not able to follow this conversation?

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899607)
:zz: Are you just not intelligent enough to understand the information on the site? It has nothing to do with Huffington Post. There is no need to follow any link to any media site (of which many are listed)

Seriously - are you drunk right now?



Other than the three times I did explain it, including linking to your own Rasmussen site to illustration what I said about trending, I again have to ask,

Seriously - are you drunk right now? Or just not able to follow this conversation?

Seriously, are you Drunk? You cited this post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899557)
As of today, Obama is ahead in all the swing states but North Carolina. Look at Rupert's anonymous data, it even agrees - but unlike Nate Silver, it colors North Carolina as going blue for Obama. That means Obama would sweep all the swings, and the Ipsos/Reuters Obama electoral landslide would happen.

Obama only has to win 2 out of 3 of Ohio, Florida, Colorado to win. Romney could take all the rest of the swings, but Obama would still win.

Romney has to win all three of OH, FL, and Colorado, plus nearly run the table on the rest (the other 5)

Here is Nate Silvers aggregate of national and state polling as of midnight, tonight (including todays polling)


Then said that your Miami/Dade results, which are always Left, and ONLY REPRESENT 50,000 MIAMI DADE RESULTS (out of a state of TEN MILLION) disproved it.

Hows about this, go to your site, http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2012.html

Clicky (your word) on the first link they show you (gmu.edu isn't biased in anyway):


and tell us where it takes you - put down your drink first.{{SPOILER ALERT}} It's a Huff Po blog

Then tell us where the subsequent blog posts (which are the most important part of the site, as they are the first and only thing that you see) takes you.


Fraud.

Riot 10-31-2012 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 899610)

Fraud.

About what? You call me liar for things I didn't say. You call me fraud because you don't like that national pollsters I quote - including the Rasmussen you posted - have Obama winning the election by multiple electoral votes?

You can't understand, three times, using your poll, I explain trends to you about Florida? So you call me names? Because you can't keep up?

If you can't understand how Florida being red on a poll today means Obama will win Florida, after I explained the concept of "trends" to you three times, how does your inability to "get it" make me deserving of verbal abuse by you, Sugartits?

Too bad for you. Call names. Does it make you feel better about your candidate losing?

What are you - five years old?

Rupert Pupkin 10-31-2012 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani (Post 899547)
quite scientific. And you know this how? all of your worldly travels? all of your liberal friends that make up an accurate cross section?

I know conservatives that are extremely generous and i know liberals that are extremely generous. This isn't quite as stupid as your quote about keeping a baby when you are raped by someone you know but it is still pretty dumb.

How old are you anyway?

First of all, every poll that measures this has shown that conservatives are more charitable. You can look it up.

In terms of personal life experience, most of the angry liberals that I have met over the years are not very charitable. Of course there are some very charitable liberals. I was speaking in general. By the way, should I ignore my life experiences? We all make observations based on life experience. If something happens once or twice, it could be random. But when you see something fairly consistently for 20 years, you can usually draw some pretty accurate conclusions.

How old am I? I am in my 40s.

With regard to the rape thing, you are totally twisting my position. You totally misunderstood what I said. I explained my position thoroughly in a later post.

Rudeboyelvis 10-31-2012 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 899611)
About what? You call me liar for things I didn't say. You call me fraud because you don't like that national pollsters I quote - including the Rasmussen you posted - have Obama winning the election by multiple electoral votes?

You can't understand, three times, using your poll, I explain trends to you about Florida? So you call me names? Because you can't keep up?

If you can't understand how Florida being red on a poll today means Obama will win Florida, after I explained the concept of "trends" to you three times, how does your inability to "get it" make me deserving of verbal abuse by you, Sugartits?

Too bad for you. Call names. Does it make you feel better about your candidate losing?

What are you - five years old?

Yes I'm 5. I excelled in cut/paste in preschool.

How do you explain that you claimed FL as "Likely Obama" when your own poll disputes this and you cite .05% of the state (all in a solid blue county) as your basis?

Riot 10-31-2012 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899612)
First of all, every poll that measures this has shown that conservatives are more charitable. You can look it up.

Study: Conservatives and liberals are equally charitable, but they give to different charities
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ent-charities/

Who Really Gives? Partisanship and Charitable Giving in the United States
Conservatives and liberals are equally generous in their donation habits. This pattern holds at both the individual and state level, and contradicts the conventional wisdom that partisans differ in their generosity.
http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/1...united-states/

Exploding the myth that conservatives give more to charity than liberals
A few years ago, several of our Applesauce regulars cited a study authored by Syracuse University Professor Arthur C. Brooks to support their argument that political conservatives donate more to charity than their liberal counterparts.

But now there’s a NEW STUDY showing not only that charitable contributions are roughly equal among liberals and conservatives but also that Brooks’ methodology was faulty.

Related posts:
Exploding the myth that Romney pays more of his income in taxes and charity than does Obama
Study shows that conservatives are more fearful than liberals
Research suggests that liberals have thicker brains than conservatives
Why are liberals so much better than conservatives at political satire?
Study: Higher levels of education affect minds of liberals and conservatives differently

Dahoss 10-31-2012 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 899612)
First of all, every poll that measures this has shown that conservatives are more charitable. You can look it up.

In terms of personal life experience, most of the angry liberals that I have met over the years are not very charitable. Of course there are some very charitable liberals. I was speaking in general. By the way, should I ignore my life experiences? We all make observations based on life experience. If something happens once or twice, it could be random. But when you see something fairly consistently for 20 years, you can usually draw some pretty accurate conclusions.

How old am I? I am in my 40s.

With regard to the rape thing, you are totally twisting my position. You totally misunderstood what I said. I explained my position thoroughly in a later post.

How could you possibly know how charitable people are? Who talks about how much they donate, unless they are trying to impress someone?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.