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That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

So now we know what Riot looks like. Hopefully they are singing while waiting for that boat to Canada to pick them up.

It's not over yet, it is just the beginning, the same exit polls that said Barrett would win say Obama will win in November! :rolleyes:

The denial is desperate, yet incredibly amusing.

Not as desperate and incredibly amusing as the ramblings of our birthers :D

Can I see this in writing as proof too please?


dismissed.

Please prove where Govenor Walker's budget repair bill cut pensions and benefits (Current pensions are guaranteed under law and can't be changed). Act 10 gave the tools to the municipalities to negotiate for the first time ever employee contributions to pensions and health care.

wow, thistle has a potty mouth. and to ask if it's over? hello, recall is definitely over.

i couldn't watch the whole thing...i felt my grey matter starting to protest against the agony of absorbing thistle's words.

That's not what I said. Pay attention and stop changing the subject.

Clip-Clop said no pensions or benefits were cut to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Walker's budget did exactly that. Act 10 increased the personal contributions of workers to their pensions and benefits, decreasing the state contributions, and those state monies - monies gained where pension and benefit contributions were cut by the state - went to tax cuts.

Walker screwed the unions, to give tax cuts.

Thank goodness the Democrats have taken over the state Senate. Now Walker can't call a special session this summer, as he planned, to give that mining bill gift of environmental deregulation to his big donor, and shove through a "right to work for less" bill as he promised his other wealthy donor he would for her (on tape).

The current speculation is that Walker will be indicted by the FBI within 8 weeks.

Wow, Robinhood, those poor public employees have to pay a small percentage into their pensions and benefits just like workers in the private sector? Then everyone got some tax breaks including those in the private sector who cannot afford to pay for those bloated pensions and benefits that private sector workers can't get? As a result the State Budget Deficit has been cut? Let's not forget about those poor Union leaders who now don't get mandatory dues and now that Union members have a choice and are running away in droves it prevents them from paying themselves ridiculously high salaries and takes away the money to fund the violence and damage to allow them to get even more bloated pensions and benefits!

What an absolute outrage! Those damn Koch brothers are taking over the world, soon there will be only rich people and the incredibly poor wandering the streets without jobs while the rich laugh at them! :rolleyes:

Yes. You should read your own posts. You said:

Duh. It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts.

Dismissed.

The Wisconsin state budget deficit has not been cut. The deficit has been hidden by spreading it out over multiple years.

And the average increase in contribution by state workers was $2000 a year. $40 a week pay cut matters to a lot of people - it's a tank of gas, or groceries, or food for your kids. These were cuts the governor asked for, and the unions immediately agreed to.

Walker busted the unions anyway.

And that - busting the unions - is why he, and multiple Republican state senators, were subjected to recall. At least the recall worked as it stopped Walker by turning the Senate from Republican to Democratic.

Are you accusing Wisconsin of using Obama budget accounting methods?

Must be rough to have no connections......there's favoritism in hell ya know.

do you think 29 vacation days, 15 sick days, 3 personal days, and 11 holidays is excessive ? If you play it right, you can work a 4 day week every week of the year, and still grab a weeks vacation. Collective bargaining is awesome.

The only question remaining is if Walker will be arrested only on charges relating to Wisconsin law violations during his tenure in Milwaukee county (the arrests already of his employees), or if the FBI does indeed have additional charges of malfeasance in his current Governors office to arrest him on, too.

Rebecca Kleefisch will be the new governor, and that is simply terrifying. She's a loon.

The public-sector unions gave up alot, willingly and immediately, in Wisconsin, at Walker's asking. And in Detroit. The unions gave massive concessions in pension, benefits and pay to help save the auto industry. It worked.

The current corporate plutocrats want to destroy unions, as unions enabled, and still enable, employees to protect themselves against workplace abuse. Corporations want to eliminate all that inconvenience and expense that created a middle class of upwardly-mobile, well-paid workers over the past 100 years in this country.

So they tell you to hate unions. So you do. Click. Treat. Vote.

Goodbye, American middle class. It was a nice thing for a while in the 1950's - 1980's. It created "suburbs" of home ownership. It created kids going to college, and a better life for one's kids. It's half gone now.

And the GOP and Mittens and the Koch Brothers are intent upon finishing it off, with Hannity's help herding the gullible sheep, this election cycle.

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

You said what you said. I said Walker's budget. You say that's not true. Then you went off in a frenzy of parsing. Believe whatever you wish to believe ;) Your beliefs have no effect on what Walker's budget actually did to people.

You are saying that Walker's budget did not cut state contributions to pension funds? Yes or no? The answer is factually yes.

You are saying Walkers budget didn't have tax cuts? The answer is factually yes, it did.

Did the money the state save from pensions and benefits go to pay for the tax cuts? In the face of a massive budget deficit? The reason that pensions and benefits "had" to be cut? Yes, factually, that money did cover the tax cuts. Not the deficit.

I hope you realize that you are dealing with a moving target.

Logic and math are not welcome here.

"Proof is whatever I say it is." - Liberal in a debate.

Alas, the last desperate act of the Democrats in Wisconsin. Hope and pray that Walker gets indicted. Only the loons believe in this.

The People have spoken and you lost.

Proof from the written document please.

FTFY

BTW, I am not "liberal" :D ;)

You are seriously "demanding written proof" that Scott Walker's budget cut the state's contributions to union pension funds? And gave tax cuts?

BWAAAAAAAA ! You're a loon :D

Ask Wiphan. And Pointman. And Dell. And the Milwaukee-Journal Sentinel. And Act 10. Look - as I've told you to before - where Walker himself has said the money has gone. Look what fund the money has been placed into. They have all pointed out that has happened. We've sorta been discussing it for some months now? They can explain it to you :D

I ask for proof, you say look here. I actually go and look and it isnt there. You say no not there over here etc. etc.
Providing only your opinion as proof of what you say, if something is in a budget it is written in there. Show everyone and prove your self right.

Show everyone what? That Walker cut union pension benefits? You seriously are denying that happened? That Walker gave tax cuts? You are seriously denying that happened, too? :zz:

Are you simply crazy? Read an effing newspaper.

Tax cuts for the wealthy and used the specific SAVINGS from asking normal people to contribute to their retirements.

Why aren't you attacking Jerry Brown or Chuck Reed or Cuomo or John Scibak for doing the exact same thing?

Read a budget, or Act 10, like I did, as opposed to being spoon-fed whatever you want to believe from a newspaper article.

I know, I have been down this road too many times and it always ends the same way. Just a slow day at the office. Thursdays are always quiet here.

Your desperate attempt to parse your way out of this is duly noted :D

Clip-Clop, you have gone down in history as being the only person in the United States - of any political persuasion - to deny that Scott Walker's budget decreased state contributions to pensions, that the money saved has gone into the state budget funds, and that tax cuts were given with that saved pension money covering the additional budget deficit created by the tax cuts :tro:

As an employer, I'll note that you are an interesting representation of the quality of today's work force.

Sorry. The Democrats have nothing at all to do with the multiple arrests out of Walker's office. That's the FBI.

BTW: Walker publicly has always said he called in the FBI and asked for the investigation. Walker is a stone cold liar. The release of memos this past weekend prove that Walker stonewalled the investigation as long as he could.

Maybe Walker can get a prison cell with Blagoevitch? Or maybe just with his multiple former employees. It's hard to tell, so many have been charged with felonies, so many have plea-bargained.

The people have indeed spoken and re-elected this lying, deceitful man. Hard to explain what uneducated voters do, but it's their right to be idiots. Hopefully the indictment will come down soon, and Wisconsin can move on from this disaster of this man's participation in politics a the local and state level.

in games, it's called whack a mole. good luck, and bring a big mallet.

As an owner of two companies and an employer of a great many folks, I am entitled to as many slow days as I can get. See I am non-union and therefore have to often work more than 40 hours a week!! Sometimes even on weekends.

Yes, workers who feel entitled are indeed a problem ;)

Clip-Clop: In the face of $120 million dollar surplus, did or did not Scott Walker give $140 million in corporate tax cuts as soon as he got into office? Yes or no?

Then, did or did not Scott Walker cut the state contributions to public union employee pension and benefit funds? Yes or no?

What fund did that saved money go into? Was it the general budget fund? Yes or no? Did it cover the tax cuts? Yes or no?

The answer to every question is yes, and you can please stop denying it now.

Walker liberated union members, that's probably why so many of them actually voted for Walker. the scam is over, and a major source of revenue for the crime syndicate known as the democratic party has been shut down in Wisconsin. let's hope the same happens everywhere soon.

Thank you for posting that link.