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Danzig 03-20-2012 12:19 PM

5 year, 96 million.

anyone who thinks they should have stayed with tebow over going for manning is nuts.

Clip-Clop 03-20-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 847031)
40 mil guaranteed if he passes a physical. That's a hefty contract.

Hadn't seen that yet, guarantees more actually, that physical is next year, would be 58MM counting 2012 salary.

"Manning will make $18 million in 2012, according to ESPN NFL Business Analyst Andrew Brandt.

Brandt said if Manning passes a physical in March 2013, he will get a guaranteed salary of $20 million in 2013 and 2014."

From News 7 Denver

Clip-Clop 03-20-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 847035)
5 year, 96 million.

anyone who thinks they should have stayed with tebow over going for manning is nuts.

And there are thousands from the backlash I have seen so far. Me, I am happy.

mclem0822 03-20-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 847035)
5 year, 96 million.

anyone who thinks they should have stayed with tebow over going for manning is nuts.

With Tebow comes drama, and distraction I am fairly sure Peyton wouldn't have signed on for that, and I bet Elway made it clear they would get the guy off the team if and when Peyton agreed. They'll sign a backup perhaps even Curtis the Painter lol. Then draft a future prospect in the mid rounds would be my guess as to what will happen.

Antitrust32 03-20-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 847043)
And there are thousands from the backlash I have seen so far. Me, I am happy.

I'd take Manning over every QB in the league except Rodgers, Brady and Brees. So I certainly do not fault the Broncos.. I would have done the same thing if I was Elway.

It would be HILARIOUS, though, if the Broncos do not make the post season or do not improve on their 8 wins from last year. The team straight up sucked with the pocket passer in as QB last year prior to Tebow... not that I'd ever compare Manning and Kyle Orton. The Broncos are made for the running game though.

MaTH716 03-20-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 847066)
I'd take Manning over every QB in the league except Rodgers, Brady and Brees. So I certainly do not fault the Broncos.. I would have done the same thing if I was Elway.

It would be HILARIOUS, though, if the Broncos do not make the post season or do not improve on their 8 wins from last year. The team straight up sucked with the pocket passer in as QB last year prior to Tebow... not that I'd ever compare Manning and Kyle Orton. The Broncos are made for the running game though.

Yeah, but we're not talking about Eli here, what do you do with Peyton. :D

golfer 03-20-2012 02:20 PM

If the new owner isn't an idiot, the Jaguars will go after Tebow HARD! Not that it guarantees making them a better team, but it guarantees fans in the seats, and people around here actually caring about this franchise.

Antitrust32 03-20-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 847069)
If the new owner isn't an idiot, the Jaguars will go after Tebow HARD! Not that it guarantees making them a better team, but it guarantees fans in the seats, and people around here actually caring about this franchise.

then trade Gabbert??

MaTH716 03-20-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 847071)
then trade Gabbert??

To whom? The last time I checked, you couldn't trade guys to the arena leagues...................

Antitrust32 03-20-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847068)
Yeah, but we're not talking about Eli here, what do you do with Peyton. :D

lol

the young one does have twice the amount of hardware then the guy with the bad neck...

damn giants

MaTH716 03-20-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 847074)
lol

the young one does have twice the amount of hardware then the guy with the bad neck...
damn giants

:tro::tro:

Antitrust32 03-20-2012 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847073)
To whom? The last time I checked, you couldn't trade guys to the arena leagues...................

lol

wasnt last year his rookie season? and he was a top 10 pick i believe? It would be difficult to give up on someone that quickly. Though Tebow would bring that dough to Jax... half the stadium would be orange and blue.

mclem0822 03-20-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847073)
To whom? The last time I checked, you couldn't trade guys to the arena leagues...................

:tro:

golfer 03-20-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 847076)
lol

wasnt last year his rookie season? and he was a top 10 pick i believe? It would be difficult to give up on someone that quickly. Though Tebow would bring that dough to Jax... half the stadium would be orange and blue.

That's the whole point. I'm not saying Tebow is definitely better than Gabbert, but it really doesn't matter.

I can tell you first hand how difficult it has been for the Jaguars to sell tickets here. Almost every home game for at least the last 2 years has been close to blacked out.

It's not about Gabbert, it's about making this franchise important, possibly for the 1st time ever. That's what bringing Tebow here would do, for better or worse (on the field).

mclem0822 03-20-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 847078)
That's the whole point. I'm not saying Tebow is definitely better than Gabbert, but it really doesn't matter.

I can tell you first hand how difficult it has been for the Jaguars to sell tickets here. Almost every home game for at least the last 2 years has been close to blacked out.

It's not about Gabbert, it's about making this franchise important, possibly for the 1st time ever. That's what bringing Tebow here would do, for better or worse (on the field).

Seth NFL radio had on a TU writer on this morning, and on local sports talk they took a poll and most surprisingly to me too, did not want them to get Tebow. Having just signed signed Henne I just do not see it happening bro. We both know from living here it's a college town. Until they put a winning product on the field, and even if they win that fact may not change.

golfer 03-20-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mclem0822 (Post 847079)
Seth NFL radio had on a TU writer on this morning, and on local sports talk they took a poll and most surprisingly to me too, did not want them to get Tebow. Having just signed signed Henne I just do not see it happening bro. We both know from living here it's a college town. Until they put a winning product on the field, and even if they win that fact may not change.

Mike, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. But I could care less what a Times Useless writer has to say. If people here actually don't want tebow in jax, it's more likely because they feel protective of him in some bizzare way, and are concerned there will be too much pressure on him to succeed.

Yes this is a college football city/area. But that's why the jags need him.

Clip-Clop 03-20-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 847066)
I'd take Manning over every QB in the league except Rodgers, Brady and Brees. So I certainly do not fault the Broncos.. I would have done the same thing if I was Elway.

It would be HILARIOUS, though, if the Broncos do not make the post season or do not improve on their 8 wins from last year. The team straight up sucked with the pocket passer in as QB last year prior to Tebow... not that I'd ever compare Manning and Kyle Orton. The Broncos are made for the running game though.

Their schedule is murder outside the division so 8-8 is not exactly unrealistic at all. They host some solid teams and travel to rough road games. Brady v. Manning will come early I think.

Antitrust32 03-20-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 847078)
That's the whole point. I'm not saying Tebow is definitely better than Gabbert, but it really doesn't matter.

I can tell you first hand how difficult it has been for the Jaguars to sell tickets here. Almost every home game for at least the last 2 years has been close to blacked out.

It's not about Gabbert, it's about making this franchise important, possibly for the 1st time ever. That's what bringing Tebow here would do, for better or worse (on the field).

I agree with you 100%. Personally I'd love Tebow to come to Jax. He's one of, if not #1, my favorite players in football and I could care less about gabbert. Jax would be stupid to not go for it.. I mean i'm sure the owner actually wants to make money.

But would the domino's keep falling and then Gabbert gets traded? Maybe he can go to Miami. I know he sucked last year, but he was considered a project even as a 1st round pick. I'm sure one team out there wouldnt mind him on their team.. even just to compete for the starting spot.

mclem0822 03-20-2012 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 847081)
Mike, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. But I could care less what a Times Useless writer has to say. If people here actually don't want tebow in jax, it's more likely because they feel protective of him in some bizzare way, and are concerned there will be too much pressure on him to succeed.

Yes this is a college football city/area. But that's why the jags need him.

Interesting you mean the Tebow Kooks, or just his family here lol! I use Times Useless all the time too, we agree on that for sure lol! I understand your points bro. Logically from a football standpoint it makes zero sense, from a ticket perspective somewhat better sense. But perhaps less so, then 2 years ago when he was drafted. It's debatable in my opinion.

GPK 03-20-2012 06:39 PM

Why can't Tebow stay in Denver and back up Peyton for a few years? No room under the cap? If they could make it work, it would be the smartest decision Tebow could make. Why not take the opportunity to learn from a sure 1st ballot HOFer?

Besides, after God knows how many neck surgeries, one stiff breeze blowing the wrong way and Peyton could be flat on his back in the blink of an eye.

Cannon Shell 03-20-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 847126)
Why can't Tebow stay in Denver and back up Peyton for a few years? No room under the cap? If they could make it work, it would be the smartest decision Tebow could make. Why not take the opportunity to learn from a sure 1st ballot HOFer?

Besides, after God knows how many neck surgeries, one stiff breeze blowing the wrong way and Peyton could be flat on his back in the blink of an eye.

I dont see how Tebow could QB in the offensive system that will be designed for Manning.

GPK 03-20-2012 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 847137)
I dont see how Tebow could QB in the offensive system that will be designed for Manning.

Manning is the master of the hurry up/no huddle and that seems to be the way Tebow plays his best too, no?

Cannon Shell 03-20-2012 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 847078)
That's the whole point. I'm not saying Tebow is definitely better than Gabbert, but it really doesn't matter.

I can tell you first hand how difficult it has been for the Jaguars to sell tickets here. Almost every home game for at least the last 2 years has been close to blacked out.

It's not about Gabbert, it's about making this franchise important, possibly for the 1st time ever. That's what bringing Tebow here would do, for better or worse (on the field).

I dont think that people will continue to support the team with Tebow unless they win. Perhaps the 1st half of the season but if they are 3-9 and Tebow looks Tebowish with no magical endings it is hard to imagine people will continue to show up.

Cannon Shell 03-20-2012 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 847138)
Manning is the master of the hurry up/no huddle and that seems to be the way Tebow plays his best too, no?

Manning calls the shots based on what the defense is doing, stays in the pocket and gets rid of the ball faster than anyone in the NFL while maintaining his accuracy. Tebow holds the ball longer than anyone in the NFL, is best outside of the pocket running around and is also one of the least accurate QB's.

Cannon Shell 03-20-2012 07:26 PM

This is the perfect scenario for Denver. Manning makes them better, takes some of the pressure off of the defense and this allows Elway an easy way to ease Tebow out. Despite Tebow/Denvers late season run I think that NFL Defensive coordinators will figure out how to completely stop that semi-wildcat offense they were running just like they figured out how to defense the wildcat into extinction. Tebow may get better at traditional QB stuff but you arent winning big in the 2012 version of the NFL running the option most of the time.

golfer 03-20-2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 847140)
I dont think that people will continue to support the team with Tebow unless they win. Perhaps the 1st half of the season but if they are 3-9 and Tebow looks Tebowish with no magical endings it is hard to imagine people will continue to show up.

I respectfully disagree. He is a legend here for what he did in HS, not to mention UF. This franchise has suffered from the worst possible malady, mediocrity, for years. In the NFL average begets average. This city knows losing. Even if they were to go 3-13, it would still be in the franchise'best interest.

Rudeboyelvis 03-20-2012 07:44 PM

He's the most polarizing figure in all of sports - he's got to go to a team where he's #1 or nothing. If he's on the bench, then #1 is under the gun every single play. It's the worst QB controversy scenario you can plague a team with. I say the Jags suck it up, sit Gabbert with his 65.4 QB rating on the bench and gleefully take tarps off the seats. Hometown boy, Gator Nation, etc., etc. = sellout every week.

mclem0822 03-20-2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 847152)
He's the most polarizing figure in all of sports - he's got to go to a team where he's #1 or nothing. If he's on the bench, then #1 is under the gun every single play. It's the worst QB controversy scenario you can plague a team with. I say the Jags suck it up, sit Gabbert with his 65.4 QB rating on the bench and gleefully take tarps off the seats. Hometown boy, Gator Nation, etc., etc. = sellout every week.

That's exactly why he has to be gone. As i said earlier, i am fairly confident Manning wouldn't have signed on there unless Elway has assured him that the guy would be gone. Just sign a back up, possibly even Painter (as bad as that sounds), and draft a mid round QB to groom for the post Manning years. That's the way i would think Denver would handle things.

Cannon Shell 03-20-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 847147)
I respectfully disagree. He is a legend here for what he did in HS, not to mention UF. This franchise has suffered from the worst possible malady, mediocrity, for years. In the NFL average begets average. This city knows losing. Even if they were to go 3-13, it would still be in the franchise'best interest.

I dont think there is any player in any sport that people will continue to pay modern ticket prices to see if they arent winning. I'm not talking about the first season because you are more or less talking about 10 games if you include the pre season. But if they were to get him and go 3-13 and he were to stagnate/get gameplanned out I believe people will simply move on. Plus what if he were to get hurt? The guy takes a lot of hits. I dont think that they (or anyone really) will be able to win with him. The novelty will eventually wear off.

3kings 03-20-2012 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 847145)
This is the perfect scenario for Denver. Manning makes them better, takes some of the pressure off of the defense and this allows Elway an easy way to ease Tebow out. Despite Tebow/Denvers late season run I think that NFL Defensive coordinators will figure out how to completely stop that semi-wildcat offense they were running just like they figured out how to defense the wildcat into extinction. Tebow may get better at traditional QB stuff but you arent winning big in the 2012 version of the NFL running the option most of the time.

:tro:
Elway is doubly relieved. He gets a hall of fame QB, and doesn't have to bench Tebow. The fans will let him off the hook for getting rid of Tebow, bettering the franchise in both the short term and long run.

Danzig 03-21-2012 07:35 AM

49'ers and smith agree to a deal, no surprise there.

supposedly the jets are interested in tebow.

MaTH716 03-21-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 847199)
49'ers and smith agree to a deal, no surprise there.

supposedly the jets are interested in tebow.

I can't figure that one out for the life of me.

jms62 03-21-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847208)
I can't figure that one out for the life of me.

They have lost their way.

Danzig 03-21-2012 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847208)
I can't figure that one out for the life of me.

yeah, no telling where tebow-mania will strike.

MaTH716 03-21-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 847213)
yeah, no telling where tebow-mania will strike.

First they kick they supposedly kick the tires on Manning.
Then the give Sanchez a contract extention.
Now they are hot for Tebow?

I understand them wanting someone to semi-challange Sanchez in hopes of it bringing his game up. But Tebow, really? I didn't think it was possible, but they would be making a bad situation worse.

Danzig 03-21-2012 09:06 AM

"Teams that have discussed a trade for quarterback Tim Tebow, either internally or with the Denver Broncos, include the Jacksonville Jaguars, Green Bay Packers, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

While one league source says the Dolphins are not likely to deal for Tebow, two sources told ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini on Tuesday night the Jets' interest in Tebow has intensified.

The Jets, who a league source originally categorized as "a long shot at best," are concerned about the negative perception of its locker room. The Jets were divided by player unrest last season, and "bringing in a guy like (Tebow) would help," one source told Cimini. "It makes perfect sense."

Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum refused to comment Monday when asked about Tebow on "The Michael Kay Show" on ESPN1050 in New York.

Denver is determined to trade Tebow sooner rather than later after signing Peyton Manning to a five-year, $96 million deal to be its starting quarterback. A trade for Tebow could be completed by the end of this week, if not sooner."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/77...im-tebow-derby

MaTH716 03-21-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 847219)
"Teams that have discussed a trade for quarterback Tim Tebow, either internally or with the Denver Broncos, include the Jacksonville Jaguars, Green Bay Packers, Miami Dolphins and New York Jets, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

While one league source says the Dolphins are not likely to deal for Tebow, two sources told ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini on Tuesday night the Jets' interest in Tebow has intensified.

The Jets, who a league source originally categorized as "a long shot at best," are concerned about the negative perception of its locker room. The Jets were divided by player unrest last season, and "bringing in a guy like (Tebow) would help," one source told Cimini. "It makes perfect sense."
Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum refused to comment Monday when asked about Tebow on "The Michael Kay Show" on ESPN1050 in New York.

Denver is determined to trade Tebow sooner rather than later after signing Peyton Manning to a five-year, $96 million deal to be its starting quarterback. A trade for Tebow could be completed by the end of this week, if not sooner."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/77...im-tebow-derby

That's horses.hit. Two easy ways to fix the locker room.
1-The coach needs to have a better pulse of the team. Rex pretty much had no clue of the turmoili.
2-Just win, baby.

Danzig 03-21-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847220)
That's horses.hit. Two easy ways to fix the locker room.
1-The coach needs to have a better pulse of the team. Rex pretty much had no clue of the turmoili.
2-Just win, baby.

i agree, i think a big issue with the jets is their coach. i think he's the cause of much of their turmoil.
i don't see how bringing in tebow would help-instead it would give those unhappy with sanchez more fuel for the fire.

3kings 03-21-2012 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847220)
That's horses.hit. Two easy ways to fix the locker room.
1-The coach needs to have a better pulse of the team. Rex pretty much had no clue of the turmoili.
2-Just win, baby.

Should be great. Maybe Tebow and Santonio can wake and bake together.:rolleyes:

The last thing the fraigile psyche of Sanchez needs is everyone yelling for Tebow after his first incompletion.

The Jets have officially lost it if thet do this. Green Bay makes the most sense, using him in non-quarteback roles, because he will not threaten Rodgers.

Rudeboyelvis 03-21-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 847223)
Should be great. Maybe Tebow and Santonio can wake and bake together.:rolleyes:

The last thing the fraigile psyche of Sanchez needs is everyone yelling for Tebow after his first incompletion.

The Jets have officially lost it if thet do this. Green Bay makes the most sense, using him in non-quarteback roles, because he will not threaten Rodgers.

:tro:

Completely agree, Tom. He can do a lot of things and also is probably the only team in the NFL (save NE) where they aren't going to be looking for Rodger's head if he has a bad game. He can be a legit #2 there without controversy and also a back field position type.


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