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dellinger63 10-14-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 810949)

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be? .

Because I'm not as naive as you? Protest all they want during the day, it's their right to protest in lieu of working a job but camping in parks, especially privately owned ones at night is illegal and should have been enfoced from day one.

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Police say the protestors were throwing bottles and bags of garbage at officers, Sandberg reported. Police say they were trying to control the situation when it got out of hand.
:)

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/...n-wall-street/

Danzig 10-14-2011 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 810949)
They were law abiding and peaceful in Boston, where the police attacked and beat the Veterans for Peace, while destroying their flags - nobody raised a finger against the police as they were hauled to jail.

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be?

The plan is complete peaceful resistance at this stage. Timing is good, it can be televised live on the morning shows. Bloomberg will suffer, OWS is too popular with the public.

Lec Walesa is going to join them, but nobody knows for sure what time he'll get to New York.


peaceful in boston, but maybe not completely law abiding?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...bIcL_blog.html

they were told repeatedly to leave one portion of the area that they had encamped on, and were arrested for trespassing. there's mention of 150k in shrubs being damaged as well.

somerfrost 10-14-2011 11:03 AM

New York confrontation avoided, at least for now, as park cleaning postponed. Somebody showed common sense, this could have been nasty.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 810949)
They were law abiding and peaceful in Boston, where the police attacked and beat the Veterans for Peace, while destroying their flags - nobody raised a finger against the police as they were hauled to jail.

They've always been law-abiding and peaceful in NY for the month so far. Even in the face of police brutality. Why would you think they would not be?

.

This is comedy

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 810905)
:zz: If you look at with internet blogs and discussions from the OWS crowd, you'd know they talk about that all the time, as they want it re-instated. It's a major contributor to the current financial disaster OWS is all about.

You don't ever bother to click on a link, or read anything different? No curiosity about this at all?

They say this alot: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win" - Ghandi

I guess you guys are at ridicule stage. There is fear it will get ugly in NY tomorrow morning, however, and move into the fight state, as they are going to try and pull the demonstraters out of the park. Let's hope the police don't lose it and become as violent as the Boston PD did the other night.

Knows about Glass-Steagall:


Nurses know about Glass-Steagall:


Definitely knows about Glass-Steagall:

Showing a guy holding a sign is proof that 40% of the people there are knowledgable about Glass -Steagle. 40% of the people there dont have any clue why they are there they just know it is the in thing to do.

Riot 10-14-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 810974)
Because I'm not as naive as you? Protest all they want during the day, it's their right to protest in lieu of working a job but camping in parks, especially privately owned ones at night is illegal and should have been enfoced from day one.

:)

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/...n-wall-street/

You really don't even bother to read past the headlines of what you reference, do you? :D

Riot 10-14-2011 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 810983)
peaceful in boston, but maybe not completely law abiding?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...bIcL_blog.html

they were told repeatedly to leave one portion of the area that they had encamped on, and were arrested for trespassing. there's mention of 150k in shrubs being damaged as well.

Yet, amazingly, that "shrub damage" didn't really exist in the light of day.

Yes, they were arrested for trespassing in a public park (the second park they occupied) as an act of civil disobedience. A minor offense. If you watch the multiple videos available, the demonstrators were completely peaceful, as the Boston Police aggressively attacked the Veterans for Peace with batons and beating.

There will always be a few outliers of crazy trouble makers, but it is undeniable that these protests, with their thousands of protesters, have been overwhelmingly peaceful and non-violent, the protesters themselves are not tolerating any violence, they are calling for peace, and always have been. The outliers are not supported by the protesters, and now the protesters are having the problem of trouble makers infiltrating them.

Face it: Faux News and Hannity have been overtly lying about the "sex, drugs, lewdness" crap in New York, for example: that park has been filled with police for the month it's been occupied, there are live video feeds from it 24-7 available on the internet, there are thousands of cell phone video cameras there, and if that existed that means the police who are in the park daily, walking through it, are ignoring it.

The problem with the media, who have been ignoring this, and the pundits, who have been yapping senselessly about something they are clueless about, is that social media and live cameras have taken over their job. The protesters are putting the news out there themselves, as in the middle east. That's pretty cool! It exposes the huge defects we have in our pathetic, non-journalist, lazy and even lying media.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 01:30 PM

In Philadelphia the protests are much smaller than other places and yet it is still costing taxpayers 80k+ a day in police overtime and sanatation costs.

Coach Pants 10-14-2011 01:35 PM

Oh gawd maybe 100 million in cost for cities worldwide to handle protesters f.ucked off about arguably 50 trillion being robbed from the masses.

Priorities...we still don't have 'em.

Riot 10-14-2011 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811007)
Showing a guy holding a sign is proof that 40% of the people there are knowledgable about Glass -Steagle. 40% of the people there dont have any clue why they are there they just know it is the in thing to do.

:D Showing that the protesters discuss and hold up signs about Glass-Stegall is alot more proof that they are aware of it, than you saying that less than 5% of protesters don't know anything about it just because you say so :D

If you would bother to watch some of the videos about these guys, it's clear that they know what they are talking about reference what has destroyed our economy.

And you merely saying, "No, they don't!" , isn't any accurate commentary about "what they know" at all :D

Riot 10-14-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811013)
In Philadelphia the protests are much smaller than other places and yet it is still costing taxpayers 80k+ a day in police overtime and sanatation costs.

Well, it's "the taxpayers" that are protesting, as is their civil right under the Constitution and laws of this land, so how is that a problem?

Antitrust32 10-14-2011 01:40 PM

I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with these protests.

It's a right granted by our most sacred document and it's not like the government and wall street haven't been bending over the American people the past many years.

Riot 10-14-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 811017)
Oh gawd maybe 100 million in cost for cities worldwide to handle protesters f.ucked off about arguably 50 trillion being robbed from the masses.

Priorities...we still don't have 'em.

:tro:

"Pay for your own damn bailouts - tax all financial transactions"

Riot 10-14-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 811022)
I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with these protests.

It's a right granted by our most sacred document and it's not like the government and wall street haven't been bending over the American people the past many years.

Saturday is an international day for Occupy Wall Street (it's catching on in Europe, too) - you gonna go locally?

There have been a few people in downtown Lexington - not exactly a big deal here :D

Antitrust32 10-14-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811024)
Saturday is an international day for Occupy Wall Street (it's catching on in Europe, too) - you gonna go locally?

There have been a few people in downtown Lexington - not exactly a big deal here :D

i dont know whats going on in this neck of the woods regarding the OWS.

But saturday is 18 holes of Golf, some dressage crap, and football day for me.

Riot 10-14-2011 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 810986)
New York confrontation avoided, at least for now, as park cleaning postponed. Somebody showed common sense, this could have been nasty.

The demonstrators scrubbed the park themselves, Russell Simmons sent a letter to Bloomberg saying he would personally pay for the costs of cleaning the park and was there with them this am, a few other celebrities showed up this am to link arms, Lec Walesa is joining them in the park ...

... damn, this thing called "freedom" that our citizens have just won't go way. How inconvenient for some :rolleyes:

Riot 10-14-2011 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811005)
This is comedy

Really? You might try actually watching one of the multiple videos of the Boston Police readily available on the internet, going into a line of 30 to 70 year old Veterans for Peace standing still and holding flags, swinging their clubs, and throwing them to the ground, as they were standing there completely accepting and passive of their arrests. Or the mulitple videos of the kettling and abuse in NY on the Brooklyn Bridge, which has already resulted in some very expensive lawsuits being filed against the City, both for personal attacks and civil rights violations for entrapment.

You think that's "comedy". Guess that says more about you than those veterans and the NY protesters.

Clip-Clop 10-14-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811021)
Well, it's "the taxpayers" that are protesting, as is their civil right under the Constitution and laws of this land, so how is that a problem?

Wrong, the "taxpayers" are at work. Not sitting in a park complaining.

Riot 10-14-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 811025)
But saturday is 18 holes of Golf, some dressage crap, and football day for me.

Geesh, you gonna relax at all? Sounds fun - what's the "dressage crap"? :D

I've got one horse call early, then I'll cruise back through Lexington to talk to the protesters & grab lunch, then back out to Keeneland for the afternoon.

Riot 10-14-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811033)
Wrong, the "taxpayers" are at work. Not sitting in a park complaining.

Funny. Alot of the protesters being interviewed have jobs, but have taken time off to attend the protests.

I guess making uneducated blanket assumptions about them is easier than paying attention.

Yes, still in the, " ... then they ridicule you ... " stage.

Funny: I posted three pictures and several videos:

one showing a person holding a check, protesting and marching with hundreds of others regarding the ending this year of one specific NY city tax giveaway that only benefits millionaires on up, but will cut city income by billions and put the onus on others to make up that tax amount

one showing nurses (employed people) demanding specific transaction taxes on two types of financial transactions on Wall Street ("pay for your own bailouts")

one showing a young person wanting repealed laws that protected us from financial malfeasance, such as Glass-Steagall, to be reinstated

Multiple videos showing protesters having good grasp of the economic specifics that have destroyed our economy, and what needs to change to save it.

Yet they are still being classified by some as unemployed neer-do-wells. Dirty effing hippy types. Wow. That's really sad, that some in this country are trying to ridicule the very people that are fighting for things in this country that will better their lives.

Clip-Clop 10-14-2011 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811037)
Funny. Alot of the protesters being interviewed have jobs, but have taken time off to attend the protests.

I guess making uneducated blanket assumptions about them is easier than paying attention.

Yes, still in the, " ... then they ridicule you ... " stage.

Attending protests is not the same thing as "occupying" in a park and being a general nuisance. I am all for protests especially this version of the government, but taking over a park in the middle of the city is a different story. Our local campers were dispersed last night, glad to see it. They have from 5am until 11pm to peacefully protest to their hearts content and I say good for them.

Coach Pants 10-14-2011 02:13 PM

Dismiss the educated protestors because you see one or two youtube clips of the dumb ones the msm seeks out for interviews.

Of course it's to be expected that most Americans would be dismissive of the protestors. We've been conditioned to obey and heaven forbid we focus on real issues instead of A-Rod or Tim Tebow.

Get back to the important s.hit, lemmings!! Hero worship and fast food has made you mildly retarded.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811019)
:D Showing that the protesters discuss and hold up signs about Glass-Stegall is alot more proof that they are aware of it, than you saying that less than 5% of protesters don't know anything about it just because you say so :D

If you would bother to watch some of the videos about these guys, it's clear that they know what they are talking about reference what has destroyed our economy.

And you merely saying, "No, they don't!" , isn't any accurate commentary about "what they know" at all :D

Yeah the guy talking is the 5%. The 50 or so people milling around wondering what the hell he is talking about are the other 95%. I say so because I bet 99% of Americans have no idea what it is. I was giving the minority that does some credit for showing up.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811021)
Well, it's "the taxpayers" that are protesting, as is their civil right under the Constitution and laws of this land, so how is that a problem?

It is a problem because the cities are already broke. If you complain about services being cut then directly lead to more being cut because of your own actions then well then there you have it. Personal responsibility remember?

Clip-Clop 10-14-2011 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811046)
Yeah the guy talking is the 5%. The 50 or so people milling around wondering what the hell he is talking about are the other 95%. I say so because I bet 99% of Americans have no idea what it is. I was giving the minority that does some credit for showing up.

My wife has 3 masters degrees (animal science, bio and an MBA), asked her last night if she had ever heard of it. "Nope"

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 811025)
i dont know whats going on in this neck of the woods regarding the OWS.

But saturday is 18 holes of Golf, some dressage crap, and football day for me.

There isn't anybody left to ocupy Ocala

Riot 10-14-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811047)
It is a problem because the cities are already broke. If you complain about services being cut then directly lead to more being cut because of your own actions then well then there you have it. Personal responsibility remember?

Then why are you ridiculing the people in the picture legally protesting a $5 billion dollar tax giveaway to millionaires on up in NY city?

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811029)
Really? You might try actually watching one of the multiple videos of the Boston Police readily available on the internet, going into a line of 30 to 70 year old Veterans for Peace standing still and holding flags, swinging their clubs, and throwing them to the ground, as they were standing there completely accepting and passive of their arrests. Or the mulitple videos of the kettling and abuse in NY on the Brooklyn Bridge, which has already resulted in some very expensive lawsuits being filed against the City, both for personal attacks and civil rights violations for entrapment.

You think that's "comedy". Guess that says more about you than those veterans and the NY protesters.

Yeah sure. The police are all brutalizing everyone.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811050)
Then why are you ridiculing the people in the picture legally protesting a $5 billion dollar tax giveaway to millionaires on up in NY city?

A 5 billion dollar tax giveaway from whom?

Riot 10-14-2011 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811048)
My wife has 3 masters degrees (animal science, bio and an MBA), asked her last night if she had ever heard of it. "Nope"

I have a BS in Biology and Chemistry, a BS in Veterinary Science, and a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, and I've heard of it. "Yep".

:zz:

I guess I'm missing your point :D Unless it's that your wife is in the minority of the 23% that "don't have an opinion"?

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The conservative criticism of the Occupy Wall Street movement is that it is a "growing mob" (House majority leader Eric Cantor) of "shiftless protestors" (The Tea Party Express) engaged in "class warfare" (GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain) whose grievances - whatever they are - are far outside the political mainstream.

The polls don't back that up.

A new survey out from Time Magazine found that 54 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of the protests, while just 23 percent have a negative impression.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal survey, meanwhile, found that 37 percent of respondents "tend to support" the movement, while only 18 percent "tend to oppose" it.

The findings suggest that the right's portrait of the movement as a collection of lazy hippies who need to stop whining - to "take a shower and get a job" (Bill O'Reilly) - isn't resonating with most Americans.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...52-503544.html

Riot 10-14-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811054)
A 5 billion dollar tax giveaway from whom?

Guess those protesters know more than you do. Maybe they could teach you something.

Danzig 10-14-2011 02:25 PM

i completely agree that protesters have every right to be heard. i agree with much of the thinking going on that it's ridiculous that the taxpayers are bailing out companies who then pay scads of money to the brass-who were generally the cause of requiring the bailouts. if they were doing so good, and worth so much, you'd think they wouldn't have had to go begging. meanwhile, the commoners keep paying for stuff like that, while watching their jobs and standard of living go down the tubes.

that said, protests can't be allowed to spill into areas not meant for such gatherings, and certainly shouldn't cause damage-whether to shrubs or other city property. after all, taxpayers surely don't want to cost themselves money.

and i have to admit, i always view organized protests a bit cynically, having grown up near d.c., where they hire protesters by the hour and provide signage and catchy slogans.

i'd appreciate a 'taking back' of our govt-i think our pols have become beholden to a few groups, to corporations, to special interests, and don't pay enough attention to who pays all the bills.

Coach Pants 10-14-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 811042)
Attending protests is not the same thing as "occupying" in a park and being a general nuisance. I am all for protests especially this version of the government, but taking over a park in the middle of the city is a different story. Our local campers were dispersed last night, glad to see it. They have from 5am until 11pm to peacefully protest to their hearts content and I say good for them.

Again...sometimes you have to bend the rules when absolute fu.cking atrocities against mankind have occurred by our government with bank bailouts and multiple endless wars.

Goldman Sachs, Citibank, and JP Morgan cannot be held accountable for the clusterf.uck of 2008. Both parties in D.C. bent over and gave them immunity.

Our government took our tax money and bailed out foreign banks.

I could go on and on and on. I'm trying not to bi.tch you out but quite frankly it's bush league to talk politics and not have a basic understanding of what's going on.

And if you do know what's going on you're basically accepting it. Stop it.

Riot 10-14-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811051)
Yeah sure. The police are all brutalizing everyone.

Don't deliberately misquote me. I didn't say that.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811055)
I have a BS in Biology and Chemistry, a BS in Veterinary Science, and a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, and I've heard of it. "Yep".

:zz:

I guess I'm missing your point :D Unless it's that your wife is in the minority of the 23% that "don't have an opinion"?

All that education and you cant follow along? He was referring to Glass-Steagle. Virtually no one knows what that is. Hell there are polls taken that show 50% of americans cant identify their congressman or senator.

Antitrust32 10-14-2011 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811036)
Geesh, you gonna relax at all? Sounds fun - what's the "dressage crap"? :D

I've got one horse call early, then I'll cruise back through Lexington to talk to the protesters & grab lunch, then back out to Keeneland for the afternoon.

Regional Championships at HITS. I have to present awards. Dressage is boring to me. I prefer racing, or at least some hunter/jumper events.

Keeneland will be great, have a good time.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 811060)
Don't deliberately misquote me. I didn't say that.

There are literally thousand of cameras at these things. If there was police brutality we would be seeing it and hearing all about it. We aren't. If there is one thing that the media loves to do is show cops beating up people. This entire media coverup conspiracy is made up.

Antitrust32 10-14-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 811049)
There isn't anybody left to ocupy Ocala

Occupy Marion County Jail?

Coach Pants 10-14-2011 02:32 PM

Of course a large number of the protestors are clueless. Most of America is clueless.

If the majority had any clue then this thread wouldn't exist.

Jesustapdancingchrist with the semantics. I feel like I'm watching Anderson Cooper 360.

Cannon Shell 10-14-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 811064)
Occupy Marion County Jail?

Occupy random meth labs run out of random abandoned horse farms. I heard about some of the farms foreclosed on this month. Some big name consignors that apparently didnt think to save some of that money they made.


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