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herkhorse 05-17-2011 05:36 AM

Newt said he can make the whole country just like Texas.









:eek:







no thanks.

Nascar1966 05-17-2011 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 776827)
Psst ... pretty sure it's the same part escaping you ;)

LMAO. Is it true you're the Queen of the morons?

Riot 05-17-2011 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 776839)
Can you show me where I said you changed a post of mine? I don't remember sayong you have changed a post of mine. You could be putting words into my mouth like you have a habit of doing you worthless' despicable ----. You will cease to amaze me. I like how you always entertain me.

Dear god, you surely can't be this stupid, to read what I wrote and take the above crazy loon interpretation away from it. No, wait - you are indeed.

Riot 05-17-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 776859)
Newt said he can make the whole country just like Texas.









:eek:







no thanks.

Hey, Rick Perry is keeping his state barely afloat financially with plenty of federal government funds. While talking out of the other side of his mouth about how independent Texas is.

Yeah, let's have some more of that, and some more government shutdown and failure, Newt :tro:

It's sad to watch the current incarnation of the Republican Party go so far to the right, they are literally falling off the edge of civilization. Strange cult they have become.

Dahoss 05-17-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 776845)
Why don't you talk your own advice? Also try and make me STFU if you have the courage to do it!!!

STFU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 776846)
You ask me a question and I was decent enough to answer it. You give me this for response? Go crawl back to your hole.

STFU

brianwspencer 05-17-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 776839)
You will cease to amaze me.

Soon I hope.

Or you just don't know how the saying goes.

1/9 on the latter.

jms62 05-17-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 776945)
Soon I hope.

Or you just don't know how the saying goes.

1/9 on the latter.

You are just going to be told to drink your 4(6_ juice

brianwspencer 05-17-2011 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 776947)
You are just going to be told to drink your 4(6_ juice

DON'T EDIT MY POSTS.

Princess Doreen 05-17-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 776704)
Sounds about right, would be interested in how the remaining 20% breaks down if anyone has that data.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/11s0075.pdf - 75.9% Christian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio..._United_States 78.5% Christian

http://religions.pewforum.org/reports 78.4% Christian

miraja2 05-17-2011 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 776595)
On the whole I thought it was a good performance by him today. You are probably right to say that his comment about "right wing social engineering" will hurt him with the religious right, but I don't think that was ever his path to the nomination anyway. Mainly he'll need to soundly beat guys like Romney with college-eduacted voters in the suburbs of Des Moines and Manchester (and places like that) to win the nomination. Performances like he gave today could help him pull it off.
Sure it was his usual collection of thoughtless bluster and nonsense dressed up to sound like actual, rational ideas.....but I thought his style/delivery were perfect for a presidential candidate. I'm never sure exactly how much something like a solid MTP performance helps a candidate, but I thought he was good today.

Apparently this was horrible analysis on my part.
The Republican Party is in an uproar over his dismissal of the Paul Ryan plan on the show. Ryan, Rush, and Beck have all denounced Newt, and most Republicans appear to be treating him as a traitor to the cause.
I said the particular comment would hurt him with the far right, but that his overall performance on the show might help his chances when it came to the nomination. It would seem I was probably wrong. I sometimes forget that the far right wackos are the Republican Party.

Riot 05-17-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 777057)
Apparently this was horrible analysis on my part.
The Republican Party is in an uproar over his dismissal of the Paul Ryan plan on the show. Ryan, Rush, and Beck have all denounced Newt, and most Republicans appear to be treating him as a traitor to the cause.
I said the particular comment would hurt him with the far right, but that his overall performance on the show might help his chances when it came to the nomination. It would seem I was probably wrong. I sometimes forget that the far right wackos are the Republican Party.

Well, Newt is what Republicans used to be. I thought your analysis spot on. The screeching harpy Republican News Channel attack wasn't all that predictable.

What this shows is how quickly and how far the Republican party has changed in the past few years. The party has lurched very, very far to the right, is quite out of the mainstream of what used to define "conservative values", and is not representative in the least of what it's always been in modern history.

The Tea Party is now actively fighting Boehner, too, as Boehner recognizes the debt limit has to be raised, and told them so to their face last week. It's beyond absurd. They want to demagogue this country into disaster, reality be damned. It's downright scary.

We had a primary election today in Kentucky (home of Rand Paul, unfortunately): Republicans had the very VERY southern conservative long term state bigwig (an extreme conservative to start with, compared to the 1990's and previous) versus an even more extreme Tea Party candidate. The Tea Party candidate gave him a run for his money, the state bigwig Williams only got 48% of the vote. And the Tea Party candidate beat him in the strongly democratic progressive areas of Fayette Country!

So it seems that conservative minorities in strongly democratic areas are going even more extreme? We'll see. Very low voter turnout.

Nascar1966 05-17-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 776936)
STFU



STFU

Once again try and make me STFU.

somerfrost 05-17-2011 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777074)
Well, Newt is what Republicans used to be. I thought your analysis spot on. The screeching harpy Republican News Channel attack wasn't all that predictable.

What this shows is how quickly and how far the Republican party has changed in the past few years. The party has lurched very, very far to the right, is quite out of the mainstream of what used to define "conservative values", and is not representative in the least of what it's always been in modern history.

The Tea Party is now actively fighting Boehner, too, as Boehner recognizes the debt limit has to be raised, and told them so to their face last week. It's beyond absurd. They want to demagogue this country into disaster, reality be damned. It's downright scary.

We had a primary election today in Kentucky (home of Rand Paul, unfortunately): Republicans had the very VERY southern conservative long term state bigwig (an extreme conservative to start with, compared to the 1990's and previous) versus an even more extreme Tea Party candidate. The Tea Party candidate gave him a run for his money, the state bigwig Williams only got 48% of the vote. And the Tea Party candidate beat him in the strongly democratic progressive areas of Fayette Country!

So it seems that conservative minorities in strongly democratic areas are going even more extreme? We'll see. Very low voter turnout.

As little regard as I have for Newt, I agree that it's troubling the response to his comments...the Republican Party is drastically shifting far right and I can only hope the majority of Americans see this because if they gain control it will be a disaster.

Riot 05-17-2011 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 777081)
As little regard as I have for Newt, I agree that it's troubling the response to his comments...the Republican Party is drastically shifting far right and I can only hope the majority of Americans see this because if they gain control it will be a disaster.

It's the "no compromise at all" position being held by what appears to be a minority. Why the GOP is allowing themselves to be held hostage is beyond me. They are afraid of losing the base - well, independents (many Republicans who do not want to associate with the current) will have nothing to do with that crazy train, the sensible GOP should go back to what they have always been. Just stand up for their values.

The Republican party has to be holding on to the crazies for electoral volume only, only as shifting demographics of the future favor more "democratic" leaning voters to be created. I imagine the Republicans fear a large Democratic party, with a smaller Republican party and a Tea Party.

Dahoss 05-17-2011 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777077)
Once again try and make me STFU.

STFU

Nascar1966 05-17-2011 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 777089)
STFU

LMAO. Is that the best you can do?

Nascar1966 05-17-2011 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 776945)
Soon I hope.

Or you just don't know how the saying goes.

1/9 on the latter.

Big deal I forgot to put a word in.

Nascar1966 05-18-2011 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 776950)
DON'T EDIT MY POSTS.

YOU DONT EDIT MY POSTS I WONT EDIT YOUR POSTS.

dino 05-18-2011 05:38 AM

I'm a big time right wing Republican but the party is self destructing by trotting out guys like Newt. As much as the country is down on our current "worst president ever" Republican's need to offer more than the Newt's of the world in order to get back in office. Maybe we need some new blood like Chris Christie, minus 50 lbs.

GBBob 05-18-2011 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dino (Post 777103)
I'm a big time right wing Republican but the party is self destructing by trotting out guys like Newt. As much as the country is down on our current "worst president ever" Republican's need to offer more than the Newt's of the world in order to get back in office. Maybe we need some new blood like Chris Christie, minus 50 lbs.

I've always respected fiscal Republicans..I may not agree with their position, but I can understand their logic. It's the social right wing that is the problem and is what will keep the fiscal right from ever being able to advance their cause. If they could ever just figure out that most Americans don't want to be socially engineered, they might get somewhere.

And I'm not sure how you can say that the country is down on President Obama? Right wingers are and will always hate anyone not like them, but when he wins again next year you might think twice about what "most of the country thinks"

jms62 05-18-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nascar1966 (Post 777077)
Once again try and make me STFU.

Just how would that work Mr. Internet Tough guy? I'm sure this is close to the way it is.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...ed=0CCAQ9QEwAg

joeydb 05-18-2011 08:38 AM

Given that the first person to threaten violence has lost the argument, who would that be?

Riot 05-18-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 777081)
As little regard as I have for Newt, I agree that it's troubling the response to his comments...the Republican Party is drastically shifting far right and I can only hope the majority of Americans see this because if they gain control it will be a disaster.

Good grief, have you caught the last 48 hours of Republican talk? They've eaten Newt alive!

Wow - it seems one candidate sticks their head up out of the gopher hole, and the rest of the party descends upon itself in a Whack-A-Mole orgy.

I guess the next due up for her week in the public limelight will be Michelle Bachmann, the queen of Iowa Tea Parties.

So ... I'll guess the final, out of the Tampa convention GOP candidates will be Romney as Pres, and Pawlenty as VP.

somerfrost 05-18-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 777234)
Good grief, have you caught the last 48 hours of Republican talk? They've eaten Newt alive!

Wow - it seems one candidate sticks their head up out of the gopher hole, and the rest of the party descends upon itself in a Whack-A-Mole orgy.

I guess the next due up for her week in the public limelight will be Michelle Bachmann, the queen of Iowa Tea Parties.

So ... I'll guess the final, out of the Tampa convention GOP candidates will be Romney as Pres, and Pawlenty as VP.

I'm lovin' it! All that pent up hate has to go somewhere...Republicans may be the only species that actually delight in slaughtering their own.

Antitrust32 05-18-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 777247)
I'm lovin' it! All that pent up hate has to go somewhere...Republicans may be the only species that actually delight in slaughtering their own.

I was going to add Sharia Law Muslims... but that would be too literal.

dellinger63 05-18-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777249)
I was going to add Sharia Law Muslims... but that would be too literal.

and racist, well actually biased.

somerfrost 05-18-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777249)
I was going to add Sharia Law Muslims... but that would be too literal.

Ok, point taken....Newt still has his head, although that could be considered punishment....

Antitrust32 05-18-2011 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 777269)
Ok, point taken....Newt still has his head, although that could be considered punishment....

Newt is the best thing the Republican Party has and the Party are just freaking idiots for throwing away their best political mind.

I'm voting for Ron Paul next year

or

Prez Obama

Danzig 05-18-2011 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 777110)
I've always respected fiscal Republicans..I may not agree with their position, but I can understand their logic. It's the social right wing that is the problem and is what will keep the fiscal right from ever being able to advance their cause. If they could ever just figure out that most Americans don't want to be socially engineered, they might get somewhere.And I'm not sure how you can say that the country is down on President Obama? Right wingers are and will always hate anyone not like them, but when he wins again next year you might think twice about what "most of the country thinks"

:tro::tro:

Danzig 05-18-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777292)
Newt is the best thing the Republican Party has and the Party are just freaking idiots for throwing away their best political mind.

I'm voting for Ron Paul next year

or

Prez Obama

seriously?


GOP Rep. Ron Paul stands by his comments the United States should have told Pakistan that American officials were aware of Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts before conducting the raid that led to his demise, Politico reports.

“Why are we having trouble with the [Pakistani] government, why are we stirring up a civil war in Pakistan? It's because we’ve been bombing it," Paul said on "Fox News Sunday."

Paul, who announced Friday he is running for the GOP presidential nomination, said his opposition to the U.S. mission to kill bin Laden is indicative of his non-interventionist foreign policy.

Antitrust32 05-19-2011 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 777303)
seriously?


GOP Rep. Ron Paul stands by his comments the United States should have told Pakistan that American officials were aware of Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts before conducting the raid that led to his demise, Politico reports.

“Why are we having trouble with the [Pakistani] government, why are we stirring up a civil war in Pakistan? It's because we’ve been bombing it," Paul said on "Fox News Sunday."

Paul, who announced Friday he is running for the GOP presidential nomination, said his opposition to the U.S. mission to kill bin Laden is indicative of his non-interventionist foreign policy.

how much money would our country have saved over the years with this type of foreign policy? I dont agree with it 100% though, we needed to be going after OBL and other terrorists.. but think if Ron Paul's strategy was used for Iraq, we would have saved tons of :$:

miraja2 05-19-2011 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777357)
how much money would our country have saved over the years with this type of foreign policy? I dont agree with it 100% though, we needed to be going after OBL and other terrorists.. but think if Ron Paul's strategy was used for Iraq, we would have saved tons of :$:

...and the lives of thousands of U.S., British, and Australian soldiers, Iraqi civilians, U.N. personnel, etc.

Antitrust32 05-19-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 777363)
...and the lives of thousands of U.S., British, and Australian soldiers, Iraqi civilians, U.N. personnel, etc.

true, that is way more important than the dollars.

joeydb 05-19-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777249)
I was going to add Sharia Law Muslims... but that would be too literal.

:tro:

GBBob 05-19-2011 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777292)
Newt is the best thing the Republican Party has and the Party are just freaking idiots for throwing away their best political mind.

I'm voting for Ron Paul next year

or

Prez Obama

My 12 yr old daughter said he sounds like a character from Harry Potter.

Looks like it really won't matter...no $$ = no chance

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._lnk3%7C213677

Antitrust32 05-19-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 777393)
My 12 yr old daughter said he sounds like a character from Harry Potter.

Looks like it really won't matter...no $$ = no chance

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._lnk3%7C213677

I have a feeling that Newt is 1000 times brighter and more understanding of the governments' role than Mr Paul Ryan (R-Wisc). Republicans enjoy shooting themselves in the foot.

GBBob 05-19-2011 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777403)
I have a feeling that Newt is 1000 times brighter and more understanding of the governments' role than Mr Paul Ryan (R-Wisc). Republicans enjoy shooting themselves in the foot.

Strictly from an organazational aspect, they remind me of how the Dems used to operate. A bunch of factions with narrow agendas who forget to understand they can't advance their agenda without embracing others.

Antitrust32 05-19-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 777406)
Strictly from an organazational aspect, they remind me of how the Dems used to operate. A bunch of factions with narrow agendas who forget to understand they can't advance their agenda without embracing others.

very true. it almost seems like they dont want votes.

Danzig 05-19-2011 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 777357)
how much money would our country have saved over the years with this type of foreign policy? I dont agree with it 100% though, we needed to be going after OBL and other terrorists.. but think if Ron Paul's strategy was used for Iraq, we would have saved tons of :$:

oh, i've always said iraq was a clusterfu_k of epic proportions. hell, we'd probably we done and gone from afganistan had we not gone off on a tangent into iraq.

however, i think ron paul would be an extreme shift. we can't do it all, but we can't do nothing either.

Riot 05-20-2011 01:22 PM

Getting back to Newt for President ...
 
Well, as everyone knows, Newt's campaign for President pretty much self-destructed this week, and is already being called "over" by many.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_863660.html

Probably true. Oh, well.

From his disastrous appearance on Meet The Press, to the glittering attack at a book signing, to having to call Rush on the air having to atone, to flip flopping to three positions in 48 hours, to disavowing his own taped words, to blaming David Gregory, Gingrich spent the week being ... Gingrich.

If you missed it, Gingrich's press secretary sent out the most amazing Press Release in the history of presidential candidate press releases. This is it. No, this is not from The Onion, this is the actual Newt Gingrich press release:

Quote:

The literati sent out their minions to do their bidding. Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world. The firefight started when the cowardly sensed weakness. They fired timidly at first, then the sheep not wanting to be dropped from the establishment's cocktail party invite list unloaded their entire clip, firing without taking aim their distortions and falsehoods. Now they are left exposed by their bylines and handles. But surely they had killed him off. This is the way it always worked. A lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught. But out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia emerged Gingrich, once again ready to lead those who won't be intimated by the political elite and are ready to take on the challenges America faces.
Of course, the entire world has made fun of this press release in the past 24 hours, but none so well as Stephen Colbert, who had Sir John Lithgow do a dramatic reading of it (below link).

Goodbye, Newt! It's only been a week this time! We know you are supposed to do the Sunday Morning Talk Shows again this weekend. We'll see!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_864580.html


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