No, I don't buy your argument, it's absurd and unsupported by reality. That's how I've "processed" it.

Here's your clue: I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are different, and must be struck down. Islam even agrees with that.

Your accusing every Muslim in the world of "stealth Jihad" and the goal of "worldwide domination" flys in the face of what Muslim leaders, and Muslims themselves, throughout the world have written and taught within this religion.

It's religious bigotry, pure and simple. No matter how anybody tries to justify it. Hitler did a damn good job of justifying why Jews should be persecuted, too.

Oh good Lord - now I'm being compared to Hitler.:confused::zz: I won't even attempt to disprove a negative.

You accuse people of hatred yet have so much of it yourself.

The soap box is all yours, Riot. You need the last word. I don't.

Oh, please, the drama you create is too much - you were not compared to Hitler, and you know it.

Hate? Naw. Unlike you, I don't care what other people's religions are. I am completely intolerant of overtly stated religious hate and bigotry. Yes, indeed. Had enough of that crap. As have most other Americans. But you are free to have the "last word".

let's see if we can get back on track, perhaps steve could start a name-calling room so we could move the personal attacks out of here.

now, yemen:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37281717...deastn_africa/


we must do everything we can to ensure that democracy wins out in these revolutions. the last thing we need is theocracy to become the govt of choice here, or egypt for that matter. they say they want an egypt-style revolt; so here's hoping egypt can pave the way in the right...er, correct direction. we need to throw support behind any democratic movements, because we know iran will be throwing support behind movements to have islamic-law based govt. that would be a step backwards-especially if it was to occur in egypt. i don't see it happening there, but yemen has a huge al queda population.

I hope Libya and Gaddafi is on the 'to-do' list.

wonder what biggot typed this "I can't imagine any other religion wanting a theme park

The people involved in this said they did a survey, and that area in northern Kentucky just outside Cincinnati is apparently the best place in the country to attract the type of people that would want to visit a Creation Museum.

The Creation Museum teaches school field trips that the earth is only 6,000 years old, dinosaurs were on the Ark in the form of eggs, dinosaurs and man walked the earth together, and carbon dating is simply false.

In fact, the Creation Museum was so successful, now we have the Ark Park that wants to be right next door. With live animals and a 200-yard long real Ark. Yipee."

that's the thing, what egypt has begun may turn out to be a good thing. that's why we have to do everything we can to nudge them in the right direction, which they seem to be doing already. keep them on track, get a positive outcome-and others will follow.
instead of us propping up dictators, we should have been encouraging stuff like this all along. our foreign policy has been a disgrace for years, now we can set things aright. i hope.

Though this could also be the beginning of a nightmare. If suspicions are correct and the Muslim Brotherhood is the front to put theocracy in place this could be very bad for the U.S.A. and catastrophic for Israel.

We should have a huge say regarding what becomes of the new government simply because of the aid money provided each year. However with the current climate of self-loathing for America's past this administration has shown I can only hope and cross my fingers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41559566...ess-media_biz/


bahrain showing signs of revolt. tunisia of course is also having protests, and note at the bottom of the above article that kuwait also gets mention.

self-loathing? i'm not quite sure what you mean...i do think our foreign policy went way off track in the last few years, and it could use some serious attention. we have a real opportunity to nudge countries over there in the right direction. we haven't set a great example lately of democracy in action with our heavy-handed ways. but with greater information flowing, hopefully people will want real democracy there, and not exchange one type of dictatorship with another. gulf '91 was one of our shining moments in that region. we haven't shone much over there since then.

If you are going to quote me (and I do know you have an abnormal fascination for things I say), please quote exactly.

:tro::tro:

The truth hurts Riot. Looks like im not the only one who thinks highly of Riot.

I remember paying Gaddafi a visit back in 1986. He had to learn a lesson the hard way.

And Algeria

No, that didn't hurt at all, thanks.

[quote]Who is saying the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a front for theocracy? (other than Glenn Beck)

Really?

Oh I assure you I did. Exactly

[quote=Riot;752053]Here is some good reading for you about the Muslim Brotherhood

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rew-c-mccarthy

Im sure you will say it is made up and a lie.

Nope.

[quote=Riot;752053]An Egyptian journalist named Sameh Fawzy. He's a lot closer to the situation than Kentucky. He stated, "Of course, the huge gains in the 2005 parliamentary elections allowed the Brotherhood to pose "a democratic political challenge to the regime, not a theological one" .[40] Initially, there has been widespread skepticism regarding the movement's commitment to use its influence to push Egypt forward towards a democratic state. For instance, briefly after the elections Sameh Fawzy remarked in the Al-Ahram Weekly newspaper, "If the Muslim Brotherhood were in a position to enforce its ideological monopoly, the vast majority of the populace would face severe restrictions on its freedom of opinion and belief, not just on religious matters, but on social, political, economic and cultural affairs as well"

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I don't think Government grant money should be given to any place of worship or to even say a Catholic school.

Either do I. The grant is not for the mosque, but for the community center part, isn't it?


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I also would not object to a muslim amusement park including using tax incentives and perhaps would visit just out of curiosity. I'd also suggest Detroit MI for a location as I suspect like KY they may have a need for business (of any legal kind) unlike Manhattan.

I can't imagine any other religion wanting a theme park

The people involved in this said they did a survey, and that area in northern Kentucky just outside Cincinnati is apparently the best place in the country to attract the type of people that would want to visit a Creation Museum.

The Creation Museum teaches school field trips that the earth is only 6,000 years old, dinosaurs were on the Ark in the form of eggs, dinosaurs and man walked the earth together, and carbon dating is simply false.

In fact, the Creation Museum was so successful, now we have the Ark Park that wants to be right next door. With live animals and a 200-yard long real Ark. Yipee.__________________
"Be impeccable with your word. Speak with integrity."

Last response of page 2.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39848

And Wisconsin :rolleyes:

Now I have to go post the Egyptian journalists who say differently for you :D

Rather than journalists, how about we look at what ambassadors, those involved politically, have to say?

Provide the link and the author, please. That's obviously an opinion piece - not a piece by Fawzy, but partially quoting him. So you're quoting a partial quote being made by someone else writing an opinion piece.

what does this have to do with egypt?

I eliminated the stuff in quotes you posted that I did not say.

So you think the following is "biggoted (sic)", hum? Okay :D

I can't imagine any other religion wanting a theme park

The people involved in this said they did a survey, and that area in northern Kentucky just outside Cincinnati is apparently the best place in the country to attract the type of people that would want to visit a Creation Museum.

The Creation Museum teaches school field trips that the earth is only 6,000 years old, dinosaurs were on the Ark in the form of eggs, dinosaurs and man walked the earth together, and carbon dating is simply false.

In fact, the Creation Museum was so successful, now we have the Ark Park that wants to be right next door. With live animals and a 200-yard long real Ark. Yipee.

as an aside, there's a christian theme park in fla, near disney world. love bill mahers visit there in his film 'religulous'.


i would love to see all countries have a separation of church and state...ah, one can dream.

Here's some other views of the MB that try to anticipate their involvement in Egypts future, based upon their performances in the past.

Nobody, including Egyptians, wants to see a violent, terroristic regime end up in place - they just got rid of that. But many, especially in the United States, seem to be focusing on the fearing the MB exclusively.

The Muslim Bogeymen in Egypt
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-..._b_817988.html

English Website Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/

Don't Fear Egypts Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/20...pt_riedel.aspx

And even The Jerusalem Post (with links to other concerns about the MB) - Sun, Feb 13, 2011 http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=207500

I saw that in the movie :rolleyes: Hey, but KY is gonna get a life-sized ark! And the animals that were on the ark. Some of them. Except for the dinosaur. Dinosaurs were apparently eggs on Noah's Ark, according to the theme park. And did you know all dinosaurs were vegetarians, until Adam ate the apple? Then some became carnivores :(

Look I hope for the sake of all you're right.

well at least in the Quran there was time before time and all God had to do is think be and it would be. Didn't get far enough to find out when or how vegetarian dinosaurs became carnivores. You know some Christians might take what you said above as being offensive to say the least. However rest assured unlike some of their muslim counterparts they have no desire to cut off your head.

Some Christians take the entire Creation Museum as offensive.

Some Christians want women with acutely life-threatening injuries obtained via accident to be able to be refused treatment at emergency rooms if her emergency treatment needed to save her life involves taking the baby. Doesn't even require the hospital send her elsewhere. This is a change to current law that requires all hospitals to immediately give minimal life-saving emergency care without question. This bill is a resolution currently waiting for a vote in our great new Congress. Bringing this to the floor was more important to some members of our new Republican Congress than jobs and the economy.

I'm sure cutting off her head would be a quicker death than being refused emergency treatment in America and bleeding out.

Religion is a dangerous force when it forces it's beliefs on all citizens via law.

You are still blaming the Republicans for everything as usual.

And you're still speaking with the non-specific bumper sticker intelligence understanding of a first-grader. As usual.

I am indeed blaming the specific Republicans that brought and co-sponsored HR 258 into Congress for what it contains. Absolutely. The main writer is Rep. Joe Pitts (Republican-PA).

i agree on that score completely!! what a stupid law by the way. i don't see that getting passed.

And you are still living in your make believe word.

Im sure you will say this has the doing of the Republicans even though this is Obama's doing. I know it has nothing to do with Egypt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110213/...ma_pell_grants

that's all you garnered from that post? it's a crappy law, who cares who put it up? another resolution pushed forth that does nothing to grow the economy, or build jobs... it's garbage like that which will assure that the reps majority in the house won't last past the next election. they take their chance to do something worthwhile, and produce a bs resolution like that. bravo.

What bill number is this? HR 258 as I found it is...

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To require the Office of Management and Budget to prepare a crosscut budget for restoration activities in the Chesapeake Bay watershed, to require the Environmental Protection Agency to develop and implement an adaptive management plan, and for other purposes.

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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-258

sounds like a good move.


'The first proposal would end the "year-round Pell" policy that let students collect two grants in a calendar year, with the second grant used for summer school. The official said the costs exceeded expectations and there was little evidence that students earn their degrees any faster.

The change would save $8 billion next year and $60 billion over a decade, the official said.'



the govt also needs to consider putting funding towards kids choosing to learn a trade, rather than pushing everyone to go to college. we're facing a shortage of plumbers, electricians, auto mechanics and hvac techs. happy to see that the gi bill will now pay for vo-tech schooling for vets.

Riot does it most of the time. Riot is always slamming the Republicans. I guess Riot's beloved Democrats are a perfect political party.

One hopes so!

There are currently three new anti-women/anti-abortion House resolutions pending. They all are associated with (trying to change) the routine annual renewal of the "no federal funding for abortion" resolution that has existed since like 1970.

One was promised to be withdrawn. The one above, and another one, remains on hold. One may get past the House, but hopefully the Senate would stop them :eek:

:zz: Blaming a Republican congressman for introducing a bill is make believe?