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OldDog 12-12-2010 05:26 PM
Holy sheite, I go away for a day and miss this? :zz:

fpsoxfan 12-12-2010 06:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 733067)
Let me just clarify who I am, why I showed up after 7 months, and what I am all about.

I believe the following.

1. The game revolves around bettors and without bettors it will fail
2. The current average age of horse racing bettors is close to one billion years old
3. Horse racing does not do anything (or, at most, very little) correct to attract new bettors and therefore is dying
4. Horse racing is viewed by younger bettors (like 18 year-olds such as myself) as being a fixed, corrupt game that one cannot win at.
5. This is very unlike, for instance, the message that poker has sold to reinvent itself
6. The reason horse racing is seen as fixed and corrupt is because, well, it is
7. Ordinary bettors (people that do/would bet) believe that unless you are an industry "insider" it is impossible to beat the game. (I could offer as evidence myriad examples)
8. Worse yet, for some reason, the industry allows for (and in some case encourages) this corruption and faulty marketing strategy to perpetuate itself.
9. I am a crusader. I am a vigilante. I will address these issues when they rear their ugly head.
10. Vic is an ugly head.
11. I really think I know what I'm talking about.

Duvalier 12-12-2010 06:56 PM
LOL

fpsoxfan 12-12-2010 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 733138)
11. I really think I know what I'm talking about.
You know what? I could really give a rats ass about your opinion. You are just a little boy with an axe to grind with anyone and everyone. Sounds to me like you need to grow up. The few of your posts that I've read seem to back that assessment up. Take your opinion and thesaurus someplace else. I enjoy reading inciteful post not simple blowhard statements.

Dahoss 12-12-2010 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 733081)
1. You are giving him a chance to show his patience, humor and class
Wow....

Coach Pants 12-12-2010 07:08 PM
Ladies Love Cool Vic

Duvalier 12-12-2010 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 733150)
You know what? I could really give a rats ass about your opinion. You are just a little boy with an axe to grind with anyone and everyone. Sounds to me like you need to grow up. The few of your posts that I've read seem to back that assessment up. Take your opinion and thesaurus someplace else. I enjoy reading inciteful post not simple blowhard statements.
Didn't you read? Don't interrupt...he's on a mission. He's trying to save the horse racing universe from all the fixers and the like so ordinary bettors can win.

Dahoss 12-12-2010 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 733166)
Didn't you read? Don't interrupt...he's on a mission. He's trying to save the horse racing universe from all the fixers and the like so ordinary bettors can win.
Speaking of needing a cape. Does Vic pay you to blindly defend him and add nothing to conversations....ever.

Duvalier 12-12-2010 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 733168)
Speaking of needing a cape. Does Vic pay you to blindly defend him and add nothing to conversations....ever.
Haha I knew it wouldn't be long. You're the best.

Dahoss 12-12-2010 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 733150)
You know what? I could really give a rats ass about your opinion. You are just a little boy with an axe to grind with anyone and everyone. Sounds to me like you need to grow up. The few of your posts that I've read seem to back that assessment up. Take your opinion and thesaurus someplace else. I enjoy reading inciteful post not simple blowhard statements.
Just out of curiousity, what exactly to you disagree with him about? What has he said that is incorrect or you disagree with?

gaut10 12-12-2010 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 733139)
Feel free to counter or disagree. I'm genuinely interested in what part you think I have wrong and why?

many of your arguments seem very emotional and provide little substance. your lists are nothing more than lists at this point. you seem to be very passionate about horse racing; however, it would help suscribers if you would provide examples and evidence to support your claims.

while you provided a link to stauffer's "issue" (which really was rosario's issue) earlier, you fail to to cite the following: http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/JoelRo...int09PM001.pdf

i realize you have a problem with mr. stauffer; however, it is very irresponsible to defame an individual. be careful of the content of your posts as some of the material is libel (published or fixed form of defamation of character; a civil wrong that falsely impugns the reputation or character of a person or entity, opening the target up to public scorn or ridicule).

while i do not agree with most of your list, you are entitled to your opinion. in the future consider providing substance for your argumets, that way we are able to debate them with facts, either in support or opposition.

you may be a very intelligent person and a good guy, but we have a responsibility to post responsibly and maintain a convivial atmosphere.

Dahoss 12-12-2010 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 733170)
Haha I knew it wouldn't be long. You're the best.
Yeah, you got me. You can't rush to defend him quick enough. Such a kiss ass.

Duvalier 12-12-2010 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 733175)
Yeah, you got me. You can't rush to defend him quick enough. Such a kiss ass.
<<<<Smooches>>>>

Dahoss 12-12-2010 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 733179)
<<<<Smooches>>>>
You know I'm right.

fpsoxfan 12-12-2010 07:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 733171)
Just out of curiousity, what exactly to you disagree with him about? What has he said that is incorrect or you disagree with?
Its not whether I agree or disagree with him, it's his manner. Look at Guats post above, that describes pretty much how I feel. Not to mention the fact that he should be banned for his rather vicious attacks on Vic.

Duvalier 12-12-2010 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 733181)
You know I'm right.
You're never wrong...carry on Hoss. Later.

NTamm1215 12-12-2010 07:24 PM
The chances of Rare Bog being 18 years old are about as good as me riding Monsignor in the 3rd at Aqueduct on Wednesday.

Dahoss 12-12-2010 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 733182)
Its not whether I agree or disagree with him, it's his manner. Look at Guats post above, that describes pretty much how I feel. Not to mention the fact that he should be banned for his rather vicious attacks on Vic.
Banned? For what? People get shredded like that daily on here and they don't get banned.

Guat's post is ridiculous. Vic loves the attention. It's why he posts as VJ Stauffer.

Coach Pants 12-12-2010 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 733186)
The chances of Rare Bog being 18 years old are about as good as me riding Monsignor in the 3rd at Aqueduct on Wednesday.
:tro:

gaut10 12-12-2010 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 733188)
Banned? For what? People get shredded like that daily on here and they don't get banned.

Guat's post is ridiculous. Vic loves the attention. It's why he posts as VJ Stauffer.

how's it ridic?... i never addressed stauffer's character (never met him), only what was irresponsibly posted.

you are right, people do get shredded daily. i am not trying to "stick up" for stauffer. only replying to bogs offer.

fpsoxfan 12-12-2010 07:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 733188)
Banned? For what? People get shredded like that daily on here and they don't get banned.

Guat's post is ridiculous. Vic loves the attention. It's why he posts as VJ Stauffer.
And that doesn't really make it right. Especially when he shows up out of the blue with his obnoxious posts. Hey, if you like the guy, that's fine. I don't. He and Rock Hard Ten should have a cage match.

DaTruth 12-12-2010 07:39 PM
Who would have thought that a thread with Zenyatta in the title would turn out like this?

Dahoss 12-12-2010 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 733198)
And that doesn't really make it right. Especially when he shows up out of the blue with his obnoxious posts. Hey, if you like the guy, that's fine. I don't. He and Rock Hard Ten should have a cage match.
I guess my issue is the only reason people seem to care is because it's directed at Vic. If Rare Bog was saying the same things to Rock Tard you wouldn't be calling to have him banned.

It's just sort of funny to me. Like Vic is royalty because he takes time out to rub elbows with us peons.

fpsoxfan 12-12-2010 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 733205)
I guess my issue is the only reason people seem to care is because it's directed at Vic. If Rare Bog was saying the same things to Rock Tard you wouldn't be calling to have him banned.

It's just sort of funny to me. Like Vic is royalty because he takes time out to rub elbows with us peons.
You bring up a good point. I guess the guy just rubbed me wrong. I come on a few times a week to catch up on threads and just thought he was a little over the top.

As far as Vic, I don't really have any reason to defend him, but it does seem as if he does get blasted a lot and I really don't understand why. I think he's a pretty good track announcer and seems to offer some good insight on here.

blackthroatedwind 12-12-2010 07:50 PM
A lot of attacking the poster going on around here instead of disagreeing with the message. Typical internet crap.

RockHardTen1985 12-12-2010 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 733186)
The chances of Rare Bog being 18 years old are about as good as me riding Monsignor in the 3rd at Aqueduct on Wednesday.

You are slim enough.

NTamm1215 12-12-2010 07:57 PM
By far the most hilarious part of this thread has been the amount of people who are outraged (as Dahoss has pointed out) that someone would dare to be rude to Vic. He's a big boy and I'm sure knows that if he posts here there's always a possibility that some of the feedback will not be positive. It has been completely civil in this thread and there's still a chance I can convince Steve to let Clyde back into the padlock, which will really kick it up a notch.

There are a multitude of viewpoints on a variety of subjects on this board. Are we all going to ever agree? Absolutely not, that would make things very boring.

dagolfer33 12-12-2010 08:04 PM
You all need to leave stonegossard alone, he is on serious roll....... ah.....ah mean rare bog.......??????? Wait a minute!!!!!!!! I just had a moment of clarity.

blackthroatedwind 12-12-2010 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 733214)
You all need to leave stonegossard alone, he is on serious roll....... ah.....ah mean rare bog.......??????? Wait a minute!!!!!!!! I just had a moment of clarity.
No, you are 100% wrong. Dead wrong.

gaut10 12-12-2010 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 733212)
By far the most hilarious part of this thread has been the amount of people who are outraged (as Dahoss has pointed out) that someone would dare to be rude to Vic. He's a big boy and I'm sure knows that if he posts here there's always a possibility that some of the feedback will not be positive. It has been completely civil in this thread and there's still a chance I can convince Steve to let Clyde back into the padlock, which will really kick it up a notch.

There are a multitude of viewpoints on a variety of subjects on this board. Are we all going to ever agree? Absolutely not, that would make things very boring.
several of the posts, both in opposition to bog and support, are nothing more than emotional arguments with no facts or logic. that's my issue.

Sightseek 12-12-2010 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gaut10 (Post 733218)
several of the posts, both in opposition to bog and support, are nothing more than emotional arguments with no facts or logic. that's my issue.
Welcome to Nerdy Trail.

The Indomitable DrugS 12-12-2010 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dagolfer33 (Post 733214)
You all need to leave stonegossard alone, he is on serious roll....... ah.....ah mean rare bog.......??????? Wait a minute!!!!!!!! I just had a moment of clarity.
To steal a line from a late DRF writer ....

Once upon a time - there was a poster named StoneGossard - but only once.

dagolfer33 12-12-2010 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 733217)
No, you are 100% wrong. Dead wrong.
Never was good with mysteries..........

fpsoxfan 12-12-2010 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rare Bog (Post 733067)
Let me just clarify who I am, why I showed up after 7 months, and what I am all about.

I believe the following.

1. The game revolves around bettors and without bettors it will fail
Agree 100%

2. The current average age of horse racing bettors is close to one billion years old

Saw younger people than that during my many trips to the spa this summer.
3. Horse racing does not do anything (or, at most, very little) correct to attract new bettors and therefore is dying

Disagree

4. Horse racing is viewed by younger bettors (like 18 year-olds such as myself) as being a fixed, corrupt game that one cannot win at.

Really?
5. This is very unlike, for instance, the message that poker has sold to reinvent itself
I have no idea what to think of this
6. The reason horse racing is seen as fixed and corrupt is because, well, it is
Wow..that's a pretty optimistic view. If this is really the case, then why are you still involved?
7. Ordinary bettors (people that do/would bet) believe that unless you are an industry "insider" it is impossible to beat the game. (I could offer as evidence myriad examples)

I have thought this before myself, so therefore, I agree.
8. Worse yet, for some reason, the industry allows for (and in some case encourages) this corruption and faulty marketing strategy to perpetuate itself.

Don't really know what to think of this.
9. I am a crusader. I am a vigilante. I will address these issues when they rear their ugly head.

You go! Kick some ass!
10. Vic is an ugly head.
Hmmmm.
Just for argument sake, I'll evaluate this young mans above post.

RockHardTen1985 12-12-2010 08:10 PM
Is it Maggie W, the new face of NYRA?

fpsoxfan 12-12-2010 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 733210)
A lot of attacking the poster going on around here instead of disagreeing with the message. Typical internet crap.
And then a poster gets attacked for attacking a poster for picking on another poster who was attacking that poster. That's the type of shiat that pisses me off. ;)

blackthroatedwind 12-12-2010 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fpsoxfan (Post 733222)
Hmmmm.
Just for argument sake, I'll evaluate this young mans above post.
I disagree with a bunch of that as well.

It's a better conversation than " he's a meanie.....he should be banned. "


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