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RockHardTen1985 12-09-2011 02:53 PM

Prince a lock to the Cubs now?

MaTH716 12-09-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 823619)
Prince a lock to the Cubs now?

Don't the Cards have a small void to fill?

wiphan 12-09-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 823619)
Prince a lock to the Cubs now?

NOT Going to happen. Cubs have ZERO $ to spend. CUBS are long term project and not going to be competitive for a few years.

wiphan 12-09-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 823621)
Don't the Cards have a small void to fill?

Teams left in the Fielder sweepstakes most likely:

Marlins
Nationals- if fielder is all about the cash, they might be the winner
Cards?
Outside shot with the Rangers
Way outside chance (less than 10%)for the Crew?

RockHardTen1985 12-09-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 823647)
Teams left in the Fielder sweepstakes most likely:

Marlins
Nationals- if fielder is all about the cash, they might be the winner
Cards?
Outside shot with the Rangers
Way outside chance (less than 10%)for the Crew?



The Marlins would be cool.

MaTH716 12-09-2011 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 823647)
Teams left in the Fielder sweepstakes most likely:

Marlins
Nationals- if fielder is all about the cash, they might be the winner
Cards?
Outside shot with the Rangers
Way outside chance (less than 10%)for the Crew?

Couldn't the Giants use a big bat? Probably not willing to spend the money.

Did Carlos Beltran end up anywhere yet?

Bigsmc 12-10-2011 07:26 PM

Oooops
 
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...enhancing-drug

RockHardTen1985 12-11-2011 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 824006)



This is kinda funny. They showed the clip of him saying Arod should come out and admit it right away. He had a lot to say about a lot of other players. I guess lets wait and see if the test is legit.

wiphan 12-19-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 824006)

I think this is going to play out very very interesting. My guess is there is a sizeable lawsuit against ESPN right now from Mr. Braun. Rumor has it that he has herpes and that the positive came from a herpes medicine that he was prescribed.

If this is true I see the four letter network getting crushed financially by Braun. Still all rumors but this should not gotten out regardless until it was finalized and for MLB to allow this to get out goes against their policies and labor contracts. Also MLB will have a hard time suspending him based on the leak of info

Antitrust32 12-19-2011 05:14 PM

Braun Mexico?

Cannon Shell 12-19-2011 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 826350)
I think this is going to play out very very interesting. My guess is there is a sizeable lawsuit against ESPN right now from Mr. Braun. Rumor has it that he has herpes and that the positive came from a herpes medicine that he was prescribed.

If this is true I see the four letter network getting crushed financially by Braun. Still all rumors but this should not gotten out regardless until it was finalized and for MLB to allow this to get out goes against their policies and labor contracts. Also MLB will have a hard time suspending him based on the leak of info

What would the suit be based on?

wiphan 12-19-2011 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 826362)
What would the suit be based on?

According to the labor contract the information should not have been released until the player has gone thru the entire appeals process. Someone at MLB leaked it and ESPN reported it. Neither should have been done and it should have been confidential until the appeal was heard and the suspension was set. Neither have been done. It is interesting that ESPN will sit on info like the Fine case but report the Braun positive test.

The damage to his reputation is already done even if he is exonerated thus lawsuits will be filed or settlements will be reached most likely

Antitrust32 12-19-2011 05:32 PM

is ESPN reporting on a failed drug test really violating HIPPA?

if anything, I could see whoever leaked the story to ESPN could get in trouble if this rumor really turns out to be true. either way, Braun better hope a lot of women don't watch ESPN or his sex life will take a hit.

Cannon Shell 12-19-2011 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 826365)
According to the labor contract the information should not have been released until the player has gone thru the entire appeals process. Someone at MLB leaked it and ESPN reported it. Neither should have been done and it should have been confidential until the appeal was heard and the suspension was set. Neither have been done. It is interesting that ESPN will sit on info like the Fine case but report the Braun positive test.

The damage to his reputation is already done even if he is exonerated thus lawsuits will be filed or settlements will be reached most likely

ESPN isnt involved in the labor contract.

The Fine case involves an active criminal investigation.

I don't believe that reporting something true can be used as the basis of a lawsuit regardless of the damage done to someones reputation. However I am not a lawyer, dont have omnipotent powers to be right all the time like Riot and did not stay in a Holiday Inn express last night so maybe Pointman or a real lawyer can weigh in.

Cannon Shell 12-19-2011 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 826370)
is ESPN reporting on a failed drug test really violating HIPPA?

if anything, I could see whoever leaked the story to ESPN could get in trouble if this rumor really turns out to be true. either way, Braun better hope a lot of women don't watch ESPN or his sex life will take a hit.

money still talks

Bigsmc 12-20-2011 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 826361)
Braun Mexico?

:tro:

3kings 12-20-2011 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 826365)
According to the labor contract the information should not have been released until the player has gone thru the entire appeals process. Someone at MLB leaked it and ESPN reported it. Neither should have been done and it should have been confidential until the appeal was heard and the suspension was set. Neither have been done. It is interesting that ESPN will sit on info like the Fine case but report the Braun positive test.

The damage to his reputation is already done even if he is exonerated thus lawsuits will be filed or settlements will be reached most likely

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

wiphan 12-20-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 826455)
I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

This is the problem with the leak of the info. Most people have already decided his guilt. Maybe he is guilty, maybe not but it should not have been reported until he made it thru the entire process.

wiphan 01-23-2012 01:53 PM

Fielder sweepstakes rumors:

Nationals now front runner
Rangers- still have a shot
If all else fails maybe, just maybe Brewers could be talked into 1-3 yr club or player option (but given Boras as his agent don't think it will happen)

Cubs-no way,
Mariners- No Way
Orioles- Not a shot

GBBob 01-23-2012 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 833690)
Fielder sweepstakes rumors:

Nationals now front runner
Rangers- still have a shot
If all else fails maybe, just maybe Brewers could be talked into 1-3 yr club or player option (but given Boras as his agent don't think it will happen)

Cubs-no way,
Mariners- No Way
Orioles- Not a shot

What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

wiphan 01-23-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 833693)
What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

He won't go to the West Coast. Too far from his family. Huge family guy. Family is in FL. Don't believe it will happen, but I guess you never know.

Think Braun will be exonerated or serve 25 or 50 games?

Cannon Shell 01-23-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 833693)
What about Dodgers? Been hearing that quite a bit

You would think that the team would need an owner 1st.

Cannon Shell 01-23-2012 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 833694)
He won't go to the West Coast. Too far from his family. Huge family guy. Family is in FL. Don't believe it will happen, but I guess you never know.

Think Braun will be exonerated or serve 25 or 50 games?

I don't know that I believe that. The market for his services is very narrow and if it wasnt about the money he wouldnt be repped by Boras and he wouldnt have left Milwaukee.

I still think that Texas is where Boras wants him though Washington is probably willing to pay the most. Just don't know who else has the money and need?

wiphan 01-23-2012 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 833700)
I don't know that I believe that. The market for his services is very narrow and if it wasnt about the money he wouldnt be repped by Boras and he wouldnt have left Milwaukee.

I still think that Texas is where Boras wants him though Washington is probably willing to pay the most. Just don't know who else has the money and need?

I think Boras sold him and he thought he could get a longer term high dollar deal with a competitive team. Problem is no one wants to commit the $ to him long term, because of his genetics and what may happen to his body in 5-8 yrs. Also his defense is sub par at best and will most likely only get worse. There is no doubt Boras and most likely Fielder want to be in Texas. I know some people in the organization and fielder is a very dedicated family man and a fierce competitor. He won't go to a crappy team just for the $. Fielder on an off day would do whatever he could to be with his family. He would fly out and back just to spend the day with the wife and kids. Who is left on the west coast anyway that would be interested in Fielder?

Patrick333 01-24-2012 11:40 AM

I think a shorter term deal (3-4 years) would be great for him. At his age and if he stays healthy he could go through the free agent process again.

MaTH716 01-24-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333 (Post 833809)
I think a shorter term deal (3-4 years) would be great for him. At his age and if he stays healthy he could go through the free agent process again.

I disagree strongly. He isn't exactly a picture of good health. Show me the money now, this way I don't have to worry about mixing a few salads in to my diet. God only knows how big he might be 4 years from now.

Patrick333 01-24-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 833812)
I disagree strongly. He isn't exactly a picture of good health. Show me the money now, this way I don't have to worry about mixing a few salads in to my diet. God only knows how big he might be 4 years from now.

I can't argue with that. He body type certainly isn't what you look for in athlete. But so far he's held together very well. He's averaged just under 160 games a year for the last six seasons. If he does sign a long-term deal he should have an opt-out clause in it after 3 or 4 years.

wiphan 01-24-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick333 (Post 833817)
I can't argue with that. He body type certainly isn't what you look for in athlete. But so far he's held together very well. He's averaged just under 160 games a year for the last six seasons. If he does sign a long-term deal he should have an opt-out clause in it after 3 or 4 years.

Genetics my friend. Look at his Papa. Fielder is a vegetarian and his body is the way it is at such a young age. No team will give him the Opt-out clause solely. A team might give him a long term contract with opt out clause on for either owner and player, but not just the player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcvaYgWc9eY

wiphan 01-24-2012 02:08 PM

Prince signs with...................

DETROIT supposidely 9 yrs $214 million.

WOW!!!

MaTH716 01-24-2012 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 833830)
Prince signs with...................

DETROIT supposidely 9 yrs $214 million.

WOW!!!

http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbsspor...97882/34555236

tiggerv 01-24-2012 02:30 PM

Thrilled the Nats stayed out of it. 9 years at $24 mil per...no thanks

MaTH716 01-24-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv (Post 833834)
Thrilled the Nats stayed out of it. 9 years at $24 mil per...no thanks

Scott Boras must really have naked pictures of every GM in the league.

wiphan 01-24-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 833835)
Scott Boras must really have naked pictures of every GM in the league.

I wish that dude was my agent. He got everything Fielder wanted

Long term- 9years (check)
:$::$::$: $23.77 mil per year (check) 4th biggest contract in MLB history
No west coast (check)
Spring training in FL where his family lives (check)
Competitive team (check)
AL team for possibility of DH in future(check)
Only negative is having to reside in Detroit for a portion of the year (however housing is pretty cheap especially on the High end)

Good deal for Fielder and Boras. Don't think it is a good deal for the Tigers long term

MaTH716 01-24-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 833841)
I wish that dude was my agent. He got everything Fielder wanted

Long term- 9years (check)
:$::$::$: $23.77 mil per year (check) 4th biggest contract in MLB history
No west coast (check)
Spring training in FL where his family lives (check)
Competitive team (check)
AL team for possibility of DH in future(check)
Only negative is having to reside in Detroit for a portion of the year (however housing is pretty cheap especially on the High end)

Good deal for Fielder and Boras. Don't think it is a good deal for the Tigers long term

Where the Nats the only other team interested? It seemed like it was a buyers market, but in the end it looks like he still got what he wanted.

tiggerv 01-24-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 833845)
Where the Nats the only other team interested? It seemed like it was a buyers market, but in the end it looks like he still got what he wanted.

The Tigers seem to have panicked after the Martinez injury and bid against themselves unless this mystery team (Orioles?) made a big offer. The best offer from the Nats was 7 @ 170. They refused to go beyond 7.

Boras is amazing.

wiphan 01-24-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 833845)
Where the Nats the only other team interested? It seemed like it was a buyers market, but in the end it looks like he still got what he wanted.

There were supposidely 4 left.

1) Nats
2) Rangers
3) Maybe Baltimore? not sure exactly
4) Tigers- we know now

Boras always seems to find a way to get what his clients want

Cannon Shell 01-24-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wiphan (Post 833841)
I wish that dude was my agent. He got everything Fielder wanted

Long term- 9years (check)
:$::$::$: $23.77 mil per year (check) 4th biggest contract in MLB history
No west coast (check)
Spring training in FL where his family lives (check)
Competitive team (check)
AL team for possibility of DH in future(check)
Only negative is having to reside in Detroit for a portion of the year (however housing is pretty cheap especially on the High end)

Good deal for Fielder and Boras. Don't think it is a good deal for the Tigers long term

Scary. There are few people as good at thier job as Scott Boras is at his. To get that contract without NY or Boston being involved is unreal.

Antitrust32 01-24-2012 05:38 PM

Prince hasnt been arrested for theft yet?

I cant believe this dude got a contract that pretty much looks like Alberts.

MaTH716 01-24-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 833903)
Prince hasnt been arrested for theft yet?

I cant believe this dude got a contract that pretty much looks like Alberts.

Prince is just an accessory, Boras is the one that should be charged with grand larceny.........

horseofcourse 01-24-2012 06:45 PM

this opens up the division for the Tribe. Pressure on the Tigers will now be too enormous. :) ( it's fun to live in my fantasy world....try it.)


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