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CSC 11-06-2010 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 718588)
I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.
The final odds on her were ridiculous, the knowledgable horsey players know this, you know this, I know this, most know this. I don't hold this against her. Hey she lost and I can accept it as many of her fans will in time, in my memory I can't ever remember a horse coming this close from that far out of it in the classic. Concern did it but he was in a different zip code where Z closed from, proving it is never easy for a deep closer to win these type of races.

goingtothewhip 11-06-2010 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 718581)
Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.
http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/passive-aggressive

"This Breeders' Cup Classic will be the defining race of her life, and if she wins (or even loses a close one), she can silence all of the skeptics. I doubt that she will." -AB
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...903591_pf.html

He was wrong twice right there.

Rupert Pupkin 11-07-2010 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 718581)
Beyer made a mistake?

Passive aggressive much?

You made a mistake....not Andy.
He was totally wrong and he will admit he was wrong. He thought she was much better on synthetic and didn't have much chance in this race. He was totally wrong that she didn't have much chance in the race. She lost by half a head and would have won with a better trip. And his own figures will contradict his belief that she's better on a synthetic track since she ran much faster on the dirt (according to his speed figures).

Smooth Operator 11-07-2010 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 718397)
I didn't mind where Smith had her early. I also didn't mind when he 'panicked' and ask her to close the gap on the end of the pack on the backstretch. Especially since he put her in a nice, inside drafting position. But having to wait slightly for a horse to go by when they entered the stretch and then go around it, cost her the race. I realize Blame is game and I realize that he had the lead for a long time. However, as she 'pushes the biggest gear' in the race, Smith needs to get her outside of horses and make a sustained run. Saving ground, having to wait and go inside out, is not exactly the way the best finisher in the race is supposed to be ridden. I've read where there's almost a consensus that her ride didn't cost her the race. And, it's not about getting a perfect INSIDE stretch run. She's doesn't need that. Having to wait and not getting outside till late is just not a good trip for her. This is why, in track cycling, for example, those able to spinner the higher gears faster don't **** around with trying to save ground the final turn or straight, they take the outside route and spin it home. Hard to believe that Smith either doesn't get this or is just unable to put it into practice --- especially with all her previous wide trips.

:tro:


Yeah, a little cleaner trip coming off that turn and she probably gets up.

Nevertheless, she ran like the champion she is in the lane again today.

Take nothing away from the winner, tho … a very nice runner which had a terrific overall record … with multiple scores at CD.

Rupert Pupkin 11-07-2010 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 718588)
I'll tell you someone who would NEVER write a nice column about a deep closing odds on favorite who failed to win a collapsing BC Classic race on a day when the BC Juvie winner went just 3 points slower...

Me!

I'm not sure if Beyer has a heart - but I sure don't.
I think you should quit while you're ahead. You haven't exactly had a good handle on Zenyatta. You thought she was more likely to run in the Distaff. You were totally wrong about that. You thought her barely beating Rinterval was a god indication of her ability. You were totally wrong about that. You totally misinterpreted that race. Then you said that she wouldn't get within 10 lengths in the Classic. You were totally wrong about that. Instead of admitting how wrong you've been, now you want to say that this was a bad race. The problem is that the speed figures that you most rely on totally contradict this. The speed figures say that it was a very good race. So now you want to say that the speed figures are wrong. This has not been one of your better arguments. I think it's time to move on to a new subject. I think it's time to cut your losses on the subject of Zenyatta.

Smooth Operator 11-07-2010 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 718169)
the funny thing is, her ardent and airheaded fans who know nothing about racing will be incredibly disappointed, while anyone who knows anything about racing will say that was her best effort ever. yes, she lost. but she showed more today against the best field she's ever faced than against those soon forgotten cupcakes in cali.

it also shows glaringly just how much her chickenhearted connections have cost her. she should have been racing like today all year, instead of racing in paid glorified workouts.

Aren't you the 'airhead' (along with Indian Charlie) who kept posting that she wouldn't even make this race?

Dahoss 11-07-2010 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718705)
Aren't you the 'airhead' (along with Indian Charlie) who kept posting that she wouldn't even make this race?
19-1

:cool::cool:

lol....lol....lol

DaTruth 11-07-2010 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718705)
Aren't you the 'airhead' (along with Indian Charlie) who kept posting that she wouldn't even make this race?
What is the name of that great older mare who retired undefeated after winning a Breeders Cup race at Churchill Downs?

What is the name of that great mare who became the first horse to win three Breeders Cup races?

Smooth Operator 11-07-2010 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 718709)
19-1

:tro:



By the way, where was YOUR reigning HotY? LMAO

Smooth Operator 11-07-2010 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 718713)
What is the name of that great older mare who retired undefeated after winning a Breeders Cup race at Churchill Downs?

What is the name of that great mare who became the first horse to win three Breeders Cup races?

Was quite impressed with Goldilocks today

Maybe she'll finally step up and take on the big boys in either the BCT or BCC next year…

Dahoss 11-07-2010 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718715)
:tro:



By the way, where was YOUR reigning HotY? LMAO
Polishing her trophy. The same trophy that YOUR champ will never get.

lol....lol.....lol

Smooth Operator 11-07-2010 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 718727)
Polishing her trophy. The same trophy that YOUR champ will never get.

lol....lol.....lol

At least the paper champ can polish



By the way, can you say ZARDANA? LMAO

Dahoss 11-07-2010 01:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718737)
At least the paper champ can polish



By the way, can you say ZARDANA? LMAO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYT3e_d4rPU

lol...lol...lol...:cool::cool::cool:

DaTruth 11-07-2010 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718722)
Was quite impressed with Goldilocks today

Maybe she'll finally step up and take on the big boys in either the BCT or BCC next year…
Goldikova has earned her lofty status. How many times has she beaten males? I've lost count.

Rupert Pupkin 11-07-2010 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 718740)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYT3e_d4rPU

lol...lol...lol...:cool::cool::cool:
If you owned a horse, would HOY be the defining victory for you? I highly doubt that. I think you would rather have your horse win $6.5 million than win HOY.

DaTruth 11-07-2010 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 718746)
If you owned a horse, would HOY be the defining victory for you? I highly doubt that. I think you would rather have your horse win $6.5 million than win HOY.
That depends on how much money you already have. The mega wealthy could find better investments for their money than buying racing prospects. They accept the risk of losing money in exchange for the chance of taking home some significant trophies, including for HOY.

Rupert Pupkin 11-07-2010 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 718749)
That depends on how much money you already have. The mega wealthy could find better investments for their money than buying racing prospects. They accept the risk of losing money in exchange for the chance of taking home some significant trophies, including for HOY.
I agree with you about that. Most of these big owners don't need the money. But I was curious if HOY is really important to Dahoss since he was needling SO about it. I doubt HOY is actually that big of a deal to Dahoss. He's acting like winning HOY is such a big deal but I doubt it is even a big deal to him.

Smooth Operator 11-07-2010 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 718740)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYT3e_d4rPU

lol...lol...lol...:cool::cool::cool:

Your paper champ couldn't even handle Persistently at the classic distance … LMAO

Smooth Operator 11-07-2010 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 718743)
Goldikova has earned her lofty status. How many times has she beaten males? I've lost count.

Well, she beat this Paco horse like 600 times…

DaTruth 11-07-2010 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718755)
Well, she beat this Paco horse like 600 times…
She also beat Gio Ponti on his best surface, You remember him. Goldikova did have trouble with this great undefeated mare who won the most important race in the world, at least to Europeans. Her name starts with a Z, uh, I wish I could remember it.

Indian Charlie 11-07-2010 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 718525)
Your first 2 sentences is my point... She has always overcome it, and you can argue, even in defeat she did again today.
Do people even realize, that in 20 starts, the 'worst' trouble Zenyatta ever got in was that 1/50th of a second wait she had to survive yesterday?

DaTruth 11-07-2010 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 718758)
Do people even realize, that in 20 starts, the 'worst' trouble Zenyatta ever got in was that 1/50th of a second wait she had to survive yesterday?
You are arguing with people who believe that the best horse in a race is always the horse closing the fastest at the end.

Indian Charlie 11-07-2010 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 718765)
You are arguing with people who believe that the best horse in a race is always the horse closing the fastest at the end.
Yes.

You are right.

It would appear that I now hold the title of Biggest Tard on Derby Trail.

DaTruth 11-07-2010 02:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 718766)
Yes.

You are right.

It would appear that I now hold the title of Biggest ****** on Derby Trail.
The current excuse is that she lost because she was so far back early.

In the next few days, the loss will be blamed on the trip over the Rockies.

ateamstupid 11-07-2010 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 718709)
19-1

:cool::cool:

lol....lol....lol
it's like when the Patriots lost to the Giants.

ateamstupid 11-07-2010 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 718752)
I agree with you about that. Most of these big owners don't need the money. But I was curious if HOY is really important to Dahoss since he was needling SO about it. I doubt HOY is actually that big of a deal to Dahoss. He's acting like winning HOY is such a big deal but I doubt it is even a big deal to him.
Nope. Smooth Operator was the one who brought up HOY. And it meant a ton to Zenyatta's connections. That's why it's relevant.

Coach Pants 11-07-2010 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718715)
:tro:



By the way, where was YOUR reigning HotY? LMAO
^^


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rm6ZSRDLoI

Danzig 11-07-2010 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 718771)
The current excuse is that she lost because she was so far back early.

In the next few days, the loss will be blamed on the trip over the Rockies.
while goldikova flew over the atlantic three times, and came away victorious in all three trips.

miraja2 11-07-2010 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 718703)
Yeah, a little cleaner trip coming off that turn and she probably gets up.

Nevertheless, she ran like the champion she is in the lane again today.

Take nothing away from the winner, tho … a very nice runner which had a terrific overall record … with multiple scores at CD.
Starting to get your excuses all lined up huh?

Don't forget to blame Bailey's ride on Eddington....that's always a popular one for this sort of thing.

slotdirt 11-07-2010 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DaTruth (Post 718743)
Goldikova has earned her lofty status. How many times has she beaten males? I've lost count.
I believe Goldikova has run 10 of her last 13 starts against males. Not that you were genuinely asking.

ateamstupid 11-07-2010 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 718806)
while goldikova flew over the atlantic three times, and came away victorious in all three trips.
Blind Luck flew across the Rockies six times and won herself the 3-year-old filly Eclipse. She must be some sort of superhorse.

Coach Pants 11-07-2010 07:10 AM
She won the dance competition yesterday. That was just precious d'awwwww!!!

Danzig 11-07-2010 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 718814)
Blind Luck flew across the Rockies six times and won herself the 3-year-old filly Eclipse. She must be some sort of superhorse.
yeah, but those losses....she's a sorry excuse for a top horse.

Princess Doreen 11-07-2010 09:14 AM
Mike's excuse making. I understand he's upset and disappointed, but lay out some kudos to the victor cuz you got enough of them when Zenyatta won. All good things eventually come to an end, my friend.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...2-D7871AACD9AB

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 718879)
yeah, but those losses....she's a sorry excuse for a top horse.
lol

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2010 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Princess Doreen (Post 718899)
Mike's excuse making. I understand he's upset and disappointed, but lay out some kudos to the victor cuz you got enough of them when Zenyatta won. All good things eventually come to an end, my friend.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...2-D7871AACD9AB

Mike is making no excuses. He said its my fault.

The Bid 11-07-2010 09:39 AM
It is his fault. He stinks, hes a sack of potatos. Amazing it took him 20 to get her beat.

Dahoss 11-07-2010 09:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 718746)
If you owned a horse, would HOY be the defining victory for you? I highly doubt that. I think you would rather have your horse win $6.5 million than win HOY.
Yeah, because they really need the money. The HOY was very important to them as was the now blemished record. Me personally, I wouldn't care. But I also would have run her in more ambitious spots.

Dahoss 11-07-2010 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bid (Post 718930)
It is his fault. He stinks, hes a sack of potatos. Amazing it took him 20 to get her beat.
How is it his fault? What specifically did he do wrong?

The Bid 11-07-2010 09:42 AM
When you deal with these owners who have zillions of dollars the only thing that matters is winning. These people play to win, and fullfill their egos. We are very lucky they brought her back and risked an unblemished record for her 6 year old season. We are all very lucky to have witnessed greatness, even in defeat and the owners of Zenyatta should be given a large round of applause for running her through the season, and into the classic. You just don't get to see horses stick around like her. We are all very fortunate and the sport is better because of it. Win, lose, or draw, she was great even in defeat.


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