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BellamyRd. 08-28-2006 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I think that many on this board are looking at Barbaro vs. Bernardini subjectively instead of objectively. I agree with you in that the two are pretty even as far as voting goes. I think that many are overly biased towards Barbaro for emotional and sympathetic reasons. It's as if they can't acknowledge the coming of a potential superhorse because the downfall of another. I won't point out any specific posters, but their arguements are weak, ignorant, hypocritical, or contradictory to the facts. I'm not saying that all of the pro-Barbaro or pro-Bernardini posters are like that...just a few. However, many of the top trainers in the industry are saying that Bernardini is one for the ages and that he would be their pick at this point for the three year old championship. That is a FACT. At this point, I believe that everyone should also just enjoy this horse. He may very well be the next Spectacular Bid, and those kinds of horses are irreplaceable.

Here are some examples of how great some think Bernardini is...

"I think right now whatever he did today, I don't think any horse can beat this horse right now," said winning rider Javier Castellano, who began celebrating his victory at the sixteenth pole.

Winning trainer Tom Albertrani said: "This horse gets better every race. I think he'll be a very tough horse later in the season against the older horses."

"I wanted all the people to recognize that he's a special horse and he's the best 3-year-old right now in the country," Castellano said.

"We know how special a horse Barbaro was, but this certainly showed to us after yesterday how great Bernardini is as well," Tom Albertrani, the trainer of Bernardini, said Sunday morning. "With all of his performances, he always wins by daylight, and I think you have to give him a lot of consideration."

"Bernardini is the 3-year-old champ to me," said Kiaran McLaughlin, the trainer of Belmont Stakes winner Jazil. "That's my opinion, everybody has one. I have a lot of respect for Barbaro. He's done it on both surfaces, dirt and turf. But this horse is just awesome. He has a presence about him. He's just a very, very special horse."

"It's hard to top what Invasor has done, but he is not the horse Bernardini is," Zito said. "Bernardini could beat Invasor five furlongs, six furlongs, a mile and a half, two miles, two and a half miles. He could beat him any day of the week."

"I was just praying he would show up as the phenomenal horse I know him to be — and he did," trainer Tom Albertrani said. "He's just getting sharper every race. It's pretty scary."

"The way he's running, as long as he stays healthy and is on top of his game he's going to be a very serious horse," Albertrani said Sunday morning outside his barn. "When he faces older horses, he'll still be the one to fear. There's more to this horse than we've seen."

"Bernardini is definitely my choice to be a champion," said trainer John Ward, who chased him in vain in the Travers with third-place finisher Dr. Pleasure and with Minister's Bid, who was last in the field of six. "He took on Bluegrass Cat and put him away, and he said goodbye to the rest of them."

"We'll, he's never been challenged," Albertrani said. "Right now, he's been winning by daylight. I don't know how much he's got left until he is challenged. Javier couldn't pull him up after the wire. The more racing he has, the better he's getting."

The whole point of the thread is to show they are not on even terms as this juncture. In fact, Barbaro is INDEED well ahead. Those quotes are from Albertrani, who trains Bernardini, Castellano, the jockey of Bernardini, Kieran, who trains for the shieks, and Ward & Zito who's horses just got crushed by Bernardini. So save face, they'd call him great, a champion. Do me a HUGE favor and watch the travers with the sound off, then watch the KY derby with the sound off. Then get back to me as you watch each race unfold who should be champion. Calling people ignorant because they dont have the same opinion of you is ignorant in itself. To me, most here seem to be suscribing to what the media is telling you to think. Use your eyes and not your ears people and you can clearly SEE who is the better horse.

Danzig 08-28-2006 07:11 PM
a glance at my side by side comparison shows that they are relatively even....

so something must break the tie. at this point, what would that tiebreaker be??? one word.



kentucky

that not enough??

how about four times as many words.
first saturday in may.

they both have four graded wins, both with two grade ones. but the ky derby is THE race that all three year olds aspire to....and one won, the other wasn't even there. he was waiting to play spoiler in md. and in past years, that has earned scorn from those on here...., rested and fresh, waiting in the wings to take on the derby winner.

ah, but it doesn't matter. bernardini is the next superhorse. a chip off the old block, he's gonna beat all comers in the bcc. just like we read flower alley was going to do last year. and mdo before that.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
a glance at my side by side comparison shows that they are relatively even....

so something must break the tie. at this point, what would that tiebreaker be??? one word.



kentucky

that not enough??

how about four times as many words.
first saturday in may.

they both have four graded wins, both with two grade ones. but the ky derby is THE race that all three year olds aspire to....and one won, the other wasn't even there. he was waiting to play spoiler in md. and in past years, that has earned scorn from those on here...., rested and fresh, waiting in the wings to take on the derby winner.

ah, but it doesn't matter. bernardini is the next superhorse. a chip off the old block, he's gonna beat all comers in the bcc. just like we read flower alley was going to do last year. and mdo before that.
They are at a tie right now...that was my whole point. I was just stating that some of the arguements, both PRO-BARBARO and PRO-BERNARDINI, were completely biased just as this post of yours is. The tie will be broken when and if Bernardini wins the JCGC and the BCC, either way. I really don't care who gets the Eclipse award anyway. My speculation is just that it will be given to Bernardini based on Bernardini's recent amazing display of raw talent and his improvement with every race plus the fact that he is being perfectly managed.

Why is the bringing up of Flower Alley even relevant? Bernardini and Flower Alley are two very different horses. I was on St. Liam's bandwagon. Most knew that St. Liam was going to win the BCC. That is why St. Liam was the favorite at post time. Flower Alley was a very good horse, but he was nowhere near the horse Bernardini was at this stage of the game last year. Every knowledgeable horse fan/player will concede that. Besides, Flower Alley finished 3/4ths of a length behind a horse that actually sniffed GZ's a s s which is saying something being that Flower Alley was only a three year old.

Danzig 08-28-2006 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Your kind of leaving a few things out here. Yeah Barbaro won the Derby, and Bernardini wasn't there. He wasn't waiting to play spoiler, he had just run a week before the Derby, and he wouldn't have made it in anyway, not enough earnings. Can't really fault the horse that it took him a little while longer to get to the races. I certainly don't think Bernardini was ducking Barbaro because if he was he very easily could have skipped the Preakness and run in the Peter Pan. I would say that Bernardini's Travers, or his Preakness was as equally good as Barbaro's Derby. Look at Barbaro's Holy Bull and Florida Derby. Not exactly eye catching wins against somewhat suspect competition. How do you think Bernardini would have fared against Great Point, or Sharp humor? Probably would have won by more than 3/4 and a neck. But again, heresay arguements. I too love Barbaro, and I wish he was still racing because the two against each other would have been fun. Let me ask you this, switch the two. Say Bernardini wins the Derby, and is hurt in the Preakness, and Barbaro goes on to win the Preakness, Jim Dandy and Travers all without breaking a sweat. You still giving Bernardini the championship?
yeah, the derby winner gets it. i don't care if his name is green eggs and ham.


has nothing to do with which has which name. at this point (and yeah, i've gone a bit over the top because no one will let this go, so what the hell) they are 'tied'. both with two gr 1's, both with four overall graded wins. you can compare the two side by side, they're practically even. so who gets the nod? the derby winner must, right? AT THIS POINT, which everyone seems wont to go over ad infinitum, who's gonna be chicken and proclaim a tie?? not me. there has to be a tie-breaker. shouldn't THE race for three year olds, often times the ONLY time that three year olds from coast to coast meet all year, the best since the year began, be the decider?? how could it not be? it's the derby. you don't have to call it by it's full name, just THE DERBY will do. one winner a year....

just think tho--another point. it's taken bernardini almost NINE months to earn the graded stakes that barbaro earned in FIVE.

it doesn't matter tho. it's august.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
The whole point of the thread is to show they are not on even terms as this juncture. In fact, Barbaro is INDEED well ahead. Those quotes are from Albertrani, who trains Bernardini, Castellano, the jockey of Bernardini, Kieran, who trains for the shieks, and Ward & Zito who's horses just got crushed by Bernardini. So save face, they'd call him great, a champion. Do me a HUGE favor and watch the travers with the sound off, then watch the KY derby with the sound off. Then get back to me as you watch each race unfold who should be champion. Calling people ignorant because they dont have the same opinion of you is ignorant in itself. To me, most here seem to be suscribing to what the media is telling you to think. Use your eyes and not your ears people and you can clearly SEE who is the better horse.
You're calling me ignorant? You obviously didn't read my post very well and I wasn't calling out any specific poster. Notice how I said that some of both PRO-BARBARO and PRO-BERNARDINI arguements were hypocritical, ignorant, and contradictory to the Facts. I'm a realist. I see the world as it is and not as how I want it to be. I pointed out all of the facts that I could find from legitimate horse racing people that were talking about the three year old championship. I couldn't find anymore either for or against Barbaro or Bernardini. Otherwise, I would have gladly posted them.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
yeah, the derby winner gets it. i don't care if his name is green eggs and ham.


has nothing to do with which has which name. at this point (and yeah, i've gone a bit over the top because no one will let this go, so what the hell) they are 'tied'. both with two gr 1's, both with four overall graded wins. you can compare the two side by side, they're practically even. so who gets the nod? the derby winner must, right? AT THIS POINT, which everyone seems wont to go over ad infinitum, who's gonna be chicken and proclaim a tie?? not me. there has to be a tie-breaker. shouldn't THE race for three year olds, often times the ONLY time that three year olds from coast to coast meet all year, the best since the year began, be the decider?? how could it not be? it's the derby. you don't have to call it by it's full name, just THE DERBY will do. one winner a year....

just think tho--another point. it's taken bernardini almost NINE months to earn the graded stakes that barbaro earned in FIVE.

it doesn't matter tho. it's august.
Fortunately, for the sake of horse racing, the whole racing year is considered in the voting for Eclipse Awards.

Danzig 08-28-2006 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
They are at a tie right now...that was my whole point. I was just stating that some of the arguements, both PRO-BARBARO and PRO-BERNARDINI, were completely biased just as this post of yours is. The tie will be broken when and if Bernardini wins the JCGC and the BCC, either way. I really don't care who gets the Eclipse award anyway. My speculation is just that it will be given to Bernardini based on Bernardini's recent amazing display of raw talent and his improvement with every race plus the fact that he is being perfectly managed.

Why is the bringing up of Flower Alley even relevant? Bernardini and Flower Alley are two very different horses. I was on St. Liam's bandwagon. Most knew that St. Liam was going to win the BCC. That is why St. Liam was the favorite at post time. Flower Alley was a very good horse, but he was nowhere near the horse Bernardini was at this stage of the game last year. Every knowledgeable horse fan/player will concede that. Besides, Flower Alley finished 3/4ths of a length behind a horse that actually sniffed GZ's a s s which is saying something being that Flower Alley was only a three year old.
why is it relevant??? oh boy....because for every bernardini, we have twenty flower alleys. or more. because i'm a realist. because it seems every year we hear that a three year old is the next coming, he can walk on water. last year it was flower alley. that's why. bernardini might be ap indy redux. or he might be another flower alley, fupeg, war emblem, etc, etc....but the fun is in the finding out.

and nice jab about 'knowledgeable horse fan/player.....'

Danzig 08-28-2006 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Fortunately, for the sake of horse racing, the whole racing year is considered in the voting for Eclipse Awards.

not necessarily.

the media can many times be as 'what have you done for me lately' as everyone else. that's why most movies that they want considered for oscars come out late in the year...short memories.

Danzig 08-28-2006 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Don't really see the relevance of money won. The derby is a 2 million dollar race, and the Florida Derby is a million. Win them both and you're looking at 1.8 mil right there. In this day and age of giant purses, money earned is sort of lost, because there are so many races with giant purses. look at the Delta Jackpot, initially run for a million, but now $750,000. No way that race should be worth that much money. The point is, and Kentuckyrosesinmay made it quite well, this isn't about what the best story is. Take the emotion out of it, if you can. When Bernardini wins the JCC, I hope you will then give him his credit.

lol, my comparisons have nothing to do with emotion. they were both legit, where was the emotion in putting up all those facts about who won what, and when?

if i was emotional i'd be comparing barbaro to all time greats, gushing about his fight for his life, etc etc. i haven't said anything about what the best story is. i've given both horses credit for what they've accomplished.

thanks for putting up something concrete to oppose what i've said, rather than just jumping on 'you're emotional'. what have i said regarding their records that was incorrect?

i'm not sure how much more credit i can give to bernardini, perhaps you've missed my other posts about him. and showing what barbaro accomplished doesn't take away from bernardini. they are both amazing. all i'm saying is AT THIS POINT (again and again) they are even. it's why i've said that bernardini is in the cat bird seat, the eclipse is his to win or lose. barbaro can do nothing more. bernardini can. he keeps going as he has been, the statue is his. that won't bother me a bit.

Danzig 08-28-2006 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Danzig188
yeah, the derby winner gets it. i don't care if his name is green eggs and ham.


has nothing to do with which has which name. at this point (and yeah, i've gone a bit over the top because no one will let this go, so what the hell) they are 'tied'. both with two gr 1's, both with four overall graded wins. you can compare the two side by side, they're practically even. so who gets the nod? the derby winner must, right? AT THIS POINT, which everyone seems wont to go over ad infinitum, who's gonna be chicken and proclaim a tie?? not me. there has to be a tie-breaker. shouldn't THE race for three year olds, often times the ONLY time that three year olds from coast to coast meet all year, the best since the year began, be the decider?? how could it not be? it's the derby. you don't have to call it by it's full name, just THE DERBY will do. one winner a year....

just think tho--another point. it's taken bernardini almost NINE months to earn the graded stakes that barbaro earned in FIVE.

it doesn't matter tho. it's august.


Don't really see the relevance of money won. The derby is a 2 million dollar race, and the Florida Derby is a million. Win them both and you're looking at 1.8 mil right there. In this day and age of giant purses, money earned is sort of lost, because there are so many races with giant purses. look at the Delta Jackpot, initially run for a million, but now $750,000. No way that race should be worth that much money. The point is, and Kentuckyrosesinmay made it quite well, this isn't about what the best story is. Take the emotion out of it, if you can. When Bernardini wins the JCC, I hope you will then give him his credit.



-----------oh, i think i see something....you apparently thought i meant graded earnings when i said graded stakes in that post...no, i meant graded races won. not purse money, they both have won four graded races. i never mentioned money there.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
not necessarily.

the media can many times be as 'what have you done for me lately' as everyone else. that's why most movies that they want considered for oscars come out late in the year...short memories.
Not in the case of Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex.

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:02 PM
no, he's not a bad horse. and i certainly know that horses can run a clunker now and then. i hope he comes back well out of it. but coming in second isn't winning for fun, by open lengths, etc....those phrases get tossed out so often when a three year old lights up these boards.

but i've been watching horse racing now for a long, long time, and i know how hard it is for a good three year old to win against older..let alone in a race like the bcc. yeah, flower finished second. good run by him esp considering his gold cup run.

BUT, as i said elsewhere....secretariat, good as he was, and man was he good, won ONCE in three starts against older. it is not that easy, that is the 'realism' in me coming out.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
As a "realist", is Flower Alley really that bad? You guys make me laugh. The horse runs a bad race, and now he is a fraud of some kind. talk about what have you done for me lately. I guess that Travers win last year was bad. Or his second in the BCC. Because those two things are pretty easy to do.
You and I are on the same page DaHoss. No, Flower Alley isn't really all that bad. He is actually a very good horse. I think that he has acquired an injury of some kind that is preventing him from running his best race as I have stated many times before. I don't think he will ever come back to his top running form because of it. Many experts in the game have said that he is most likely finished because of an injury. While I will take their word for it, I hope they are wrong because this is a very promising horse. I got all over people when they called LITF a fraud because it was completely obvious that something was physically amiss with the horse. It is the same thing with Flower Alley.

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Not in the case of Smarty Jones and Afleet Alex.

ok...now you bring that up to prove that voting DOESN'T take the whole year into consideration?? which is it?? you just said they did. neither of those ran past june.

i'll give you examples of voters only looking at end of year racing. street cry who lost out because his good runs were in the spring, left bank won a couple later on, and then sadly passed away. azeri--she only won HOY because volponi won the bcc. high chaparral who ran here once all year, in the bc and won top turfer, over the gelding who ran second that day, but had won here all year.

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Either way, your point is kind of weak. What difference does it make? Invasor has only won 3 graded stakes this year, does that taint his resume? Discreet cat has zero graded wins, and Henny Hughes has 1. How about them?
how is my point weak? tell me where i'm wrong. i've shown exactly who won what, what is there to dispute?

invasor only won three? ONLY? graded placed in a fourth. and earned all those after dubai, and the dread 'curse', his second there is his only loss ever, he's got a great resume....discreet cat does have a graded win in the uae derby. of the three, DC ran once since march, last friday in an allowance. henny has run twice all year. not sure exactly what kind of resume they even have based on that. a lot of promise shown, a lot of talent. i have no problem praising a horse for what he's done. what's been accomplished.

tell me this, when is the last time i posted that barbaro would have beaten bernadini?? i've made NO comparisons between the two other than their records, which are right there for everyone to see.

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You're right, it's not easy. Don't think anyone said it would be. This is sort of going around in circles. We'll know more Oct. 7th.

lol

hell dahoss, i said two (or was it three?) pages ago that this thread was like a dog chasing it's tail. not going anywhere, but a lot of energy exerted.

thanks for the lively discussion!!

i gotta say, this year has been amazing, and it ain't over yet! there have been some bad, bad things to happen this year...but i think i'm more enthused about every race to come than in some years past.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 08:16 PM
[quote=Danzig188]ok...now you bring that up to prove that voting DOESN'T take the whole year into consideration?? which is it?? you just said they did. neither of those ran past june.QUOTE]

Voting does consider the length of the entire year. In those years that Smarty and Alex won the Eclipse Award, they were clearly better than all the other horses that ran. They accomplished more in the spring than any of the other three year olds accomplished throughout the entire year. Alex beat out Flower Alley who didn't have near the resume that Alex did despite the fact that Flower Alley raced all year, and Smarty Jones beat out Birdstone who was also a very good horse winning big races. Still Smarty Jones accomplished more by going on a great win streak. While Birdstone's races were good in the summer, he didn't do very much toward the end of the year. Smarty was great the entire length of his three year old career although it ended prematurely. He and Alex (except in the Rebel due to the lung infection) never ran a bad race unlike Birdstone and Flower Alley (KD derby, losing the Arkansas Derby to Alex by eight lengths, JCGC although he did have a legitimate excuse as well).

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I was with you on LITF as well. Kind of sad to me that if a horse doesn't win every single race they run in, they are somewhat suspect. I don't know, it's hard to be perfect. I know some days I have an off day. I hope I am judged on how I am as a whole, and not on my few bad days.

i remember all the heat alex took after his loss in oaklawn....and then his bounce back. revenge!!

i'm hoping that fog will end up ok...things looked pretty bleak for barbaro there for a while, hopefully he'll turn out ok as well...

lost in the fog was my favorite horse last year...he reminded me of a couple other horses that have always been faves of mine--a family resemblance.

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:19 PM
[quote=kentuckyrosesinmay]
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
ok...now you bring that up to prove that voting DOESN'T take the whole year into consideration?? which is it?? you just said they did. neither of those ran past june.QUOTE]

Voting does consider the length of the entire year. In those years that Smarty and Alex won the Eclipse Award, they were clearly better than all the other horses that ran. They accomplished more in the spring than any of the other three year olds accomplished throughout the entire year. Alex beat out Flower Alley who didn't have near the resume that Alex did despite the fact that Flower Alley raced all year, and Smarty Jones beat out Birdstone who was also a very good horse winning big races. Still Smarty Jones accomplished more by going on a great win streak. While Birdstone's races were good in the summer, he didn't do very much toward the end of the year.
that's all true...but the voters can be a fickle bunch....and we all (most fans do i think) give a lot of weight to a 3 yo beating older, but then tiznow loses to point given after winning the bcc....no way of knowing WHAT they'll do...just ask the two year old afleet alex!

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm not trying to discount Invasor at all, I'm saying that it's not a black and white issue. there is a lot of gray area with something like this, so how many graded wins you have is sort of useless. I guess I'm a little off but I don't see how Bernardini doesn't win this award. He will never capture the hearts of people like Barbaro did, but he has been as, if not more impressive when compared to Barbaro.
lol
are we even arguing?? you're saying the same things i've been saying....he is just as impressive. all i'm saying is it isn't over yet, indeed it isn't black and white.

it's bernardinis to win or lose. barbaro can do no more than he has.

one more win and that guy has it. that WOULD set him apart. and bernardini would be a truly deserving winner.

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah we are lucky as fans for the year we have had talent wise. I know I am a bit biased about Bernardini because I fell in love with him in the Withers. I was in a box at for the Jim Dandy and Travers, and I got goosebumps both times watching him come home. I think he is the kind of horse that will get people to go to the races, something we need. I can't wait to see him on the 7th.
he's everything you'd want to see in a horse. he's great looking, great moving..he seems the complete package.

javier is a lucky guy.

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No arguing, we are having a intelligent discussion, lol. I agree with what you have said here 100%.
fantastic, i enjoy intelligent conversation....

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm not trying to discount Invasor at all, I'm saying that it's not a black and white issue. there is a lot of gray area with something like this, so how many graded wins you have is sort of useless. I guess I'm a little off but I don't see how Bernardini doesn't win this award. He will never capture the hearts of people like Barbaro did, but he has been as, if not more impressive when compared to Barbaro.
Barbaro has captivated a nation. He is a great horse. The media has really been hyping Bernardini up lately too though. It is a good sign for horse racing. They are calling Bernardini a superstar and a superhorse. I just read an article on the whole Barbaro vs. Bernardini debate in the NY Times. You know, Barbaro captivated a nation because of his heart, courage, and determination through a brillant win streak and a painful, life-threatening mishap. Wouldn't it be great for racing if Bernardini really does become a superhorse with all of the negatively surrounding the sport right now? It would be something postive and warming. Maybe God threw us some heartbreaks because he was finally going to give us HIM...THE NEXT COMING. What if Bernardini really is HIM? I can't imagine seeing a horse run live like those greats that ran in the 1970's. It has been one of my biggest dreams for years and years...to see one on live TV that we could honestly call one of the best that has ever been. To be there in that moment would be priceless. Maybe we are in that moment and we just don't know it yet.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 08:34 PM
[quote=Danzig188]
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

that's all true...but the voters can be a fickle bunch....and we all (most fans do i think) give a lot of weight to a 3 yo beating older, but then tiznow loses to point given after winning the bcc....no way of knowing WHAT they'll do...just ask the two year old afleet alex!
Alex should have definitely gotten that award!

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
i remember all the heat alex took after his loss in oaklawn....and then his bounce back. revenge!!

i'm hoping that fog will end up ok...things looked pretty bleak for barbaro there for a while, hopefully he'll turn out ok as well...

lost in the fog was my favorite horse last year...he reminded me of a couple other horses that have always been faves of mine--a family resemblance.
Foggy and Alex were my two co-favorite horses last year. I loved them both dearly. Foggy got my mother back into the game. For that, I can't thank him enough. He will always have a special place in my heart. I have cried more for Foggy than I even did for Barbaro.

I own a very expensive original painting of Barbaro in which I bought from Pat DeLong this spring after his amazing romp in the Derby. I really thought that HE was our next coming. I didn't even know who Bernardini was at that point. I hope Barbaro pulls through. God knows that I was devastated in the Preakness. As soon as he pulled up, I was balling because I saw just how bad his injury was. Dr. Richardson recently said that his leg looked awesome and had even completely fused in some areas with only a little more fusing left to go in other places. Maybe Bernardini and Barbaro can compete against each other in the shed. Who will produce the first KD winner!?! I hope Barbaro lives to see that.

Here is my painting. Her work is so beautiful and this is a stunning painting in real life. Now, I'll always have a fantastic picture of a great horse and a great rider in a great moment in horse racing. Words do not describe the feeling that this picture gives you. I am very proud of it...

http://www.finalturngallery.com/SmartyJones/barbaorftg

Danzig 08-28-2006 08:46 PM
i saw the latest on barbaro, it's great news and i'm relieved to hear it.

if he gets to cover mares, that's just the cherry on top. yeah, a huge, valuable cherry....but nonetheless. initially i thought he was done, expected sunday morning to see he was gone. he's a rarity, one in a million. not too many could have made it this far...hopefully he's around for years to come. if he can pass on just some of his heart and will, that would be something.

i just hope some of his luck can rub off on lost in the fog.
as long as they're alive and fighting there's hope.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-28-2006 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm a lot like you are. I had very similar feelings about this whole situation, like maybe we were dealt that awful blow in the Preakness, because we were going to be rewarded with bernardini. As captivating as he is on TV, I'm telling you he is even more in person. I truly felt like I was watching something special on Saturday, and I had the goosebumps to prove it.
I didn't even know who won the Preakness on Preakness day because of what happened to Barbaro, but when I watched the replay (of course skipping the part where the incident occurred) I was stunned at the wonderful performance that Bernardini put in. At this point and time, Bernardini's performance was being widely over-looked by a concerned/devastated racing community. I really wish I could see Bernardini in person (now, not on Preakness day, all the money in the world wouldn't have made me go to that Preakness). You should feel privileged that you got the opportunity!


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