Dumb argument. And Moss' classless actions at the HOY ceremony last year speak volumes.

I dont believe Shirreffs has started another horse on the main track this meet....but yea he loves the surface.

Why would you possibly think that? There is almost no chance of that. Their goal all year has been the BC Classic. If she's healthy, she'll run in the Classic. If she not healthy, she won't run at all. She's not going to run in the Distaff.

Interesting that he would rather run her on a surface he absolutely hates over shipping out of Cali.

Lets see her come to Belmont first

Wrong, I know of at least one maiden that started on the poly at Del Mar. Might of ran last.

How is it a dumb argument? And what did Moss do at the HOY ceremony that was classless?

Hey, going from Hollywood to Del Mar counts as shipping.

yea so some piece of trash or a nice bred quality horse?

You're lost dude. There were about 5 threads about it last year. Lookem up....And just b/c TVG is the Zenyatta tv network doesnt mean you have to be a lackey.

Shirreffs is 4 1-1-1 at DMR this year including Zenyatta.

You two should get a room.

Yeah, you can bet on it, CSC.

They don't need to ship cross-country looking for RA at this point.

It's all about the BCC now.

Prepping at home … on synthetic … gives her the best chance to be at her best for the Cup, in my estimation (although I wish the race at Anita was 9f instead of 8.5).

1 maiden claimer

1 in the osunitas stakes

1 in bing crosby

zenyatta

So why point the horse to a race at a surface they don't like? That's stupid. Are they really that afraid of shipping/losing?

I have no idea what people would have criticized Moss for. I think he has handled himself great with regards to Zenyatta. He never said that he thought she deserved HOY over Rachel. He has never said that she is better than Rachel. He has been very humble about Zenyatta. I don't know how a guy could have handled himself better.

What is this based on? Something that those lying dirtbag connections said?

Are you really that naive to believe any excuse they throw out there?

Whats next? Do you really believe that flying over the Rockies was a legitimate excuse to not ship east earlier this year?

Or that going 10f against males in the Hollywood Gold Cup last year was too daunting a thing to do with a female horse, despite that moronic trainer running a female in that race anyways?

Pfff

And when she doesn't run in that race????????????

I don't think they're afraid of losing. She's not a great shipper and they don't want to knock her out. If they were afraid of losing, would they have run in the BC Classic last year instead of the Distaff? If they were afraid of losing would they have agreed to ship to Oaklawn to face Rachel?

You must have missed that press snippet where he wanted to make sure all of her fans in California get to see her one last time, again.

Dude, did CSC hack your account here on DT?

I have a lot of respect for your opinions on here, but wow, you've lost it.

Rupert don't comment on things you have no clue on. A horse racing fan follows things like the Eclipse awards, please don't make **** up. His actions are understated in this article. I wanted to vomit on him after watching his lack of class.

http://fhiers.blogs.ocala.com/10027/...oic-face-down/

This is based on the fact that people I know that see her train all the time said she looked like she had lost some weight after the Oaklawn race.

For the life of me, I can't figure out what you have against the Mosses. What are all these things you claim they have lied about?

Ok, you have always seemed like an honest stand up guy who knows what he's talking about, so I will concede the weight loss thing to you as you are in a much better position to know than I am.

But cmon, you are pulling my leg on the Mosses, right???

I think what you meant to say about Zenyatta was "Thank you, your Majesty. May I have another?"

I agree. I think they would most like a chance to go after not only Rachel but your Quality Road, Blame, Rail Trip, etc in one go. I think they're concerned about what could happen in the Classic if they go for the Beldame first this year. I think they were tempted by the race last year because they go back for the Classic on their home "plastic," but this time, we're talking non-home environment #2 and that wouldn't do her any favors (assuming there are actually shipping issues). I feel like there's a very good reason we haven't seen 2 "eastern" races back to back which is a shame because it has zero to do with her talent. Sure her issue with Churchill last year was weather related but was any of it connected with shipping strain? I guess at least this year post-Oaklawn it's obvious that it's stressful for her. Might almost be better if she doesn't come to the Beldame so we get the best Z possible for the BCC. This assumes of course that I'm not completely misreading the situation, and she actually is fine with shipping. In the event of that, oops. :o

i think they go for the record wins streak and then retire her. no classic, no trip, finish in california and send her to the broodmare barn. if they are unwilling to take on colts this year on poly, why would they want to on dirt? she loves it out west, loves the poly. she's won a classic, no need for another.

I guess she lost a **** load of weight and her training tailed off after Oaklawn this past time, but I guess so because they ran.

As embarrassed as Quality Road not being able to bring home the Whitney afte a 48 and change half?

Let's see, the 2009 Derby winner up the track. The winner of the Suburban, up the track (please spare me the argument. He beat the M/L Derby fave) Musket Man? Musket Man = Jaques Who.

It's Blame vs. Zenyatta closing as evening falls at the Downs.

Always putting the fans first. Classy.

I had totally forgotten about that quote. Fair enough, I can see why people would criticize him for that. I personally don't think it was a big deal. The guy was obviously very disappointed. He obviously felt he deserved to win and he was a little pissed off. We have all said things in the heat of the moment that we shouldn't have.

The guy had one bad moment. But overall, I think he was pretty gracious with his praise of RA with the exception of that one moment.

If that is the worst moment that he's had, I think he's doing better than me. I've certainly been a poor sport before.

If they shipped her more than once a year then she might become used to it.

Well because she's better on dirt, and they want to swoop in, beat all the big east coast challengers, and get HOY. I think they figure they can kill multiple birds with one stone here. They get her to enjoy all year in their own backyard, only have to ship once, and then voila she beats the prospective HOY candidates. They would at least have the co-win streak with Pepper's Pride (and obviously the most G1s w/o a loss) followed by the win they figure they get in the BCC, making her the leader outright.

The race was a workout for her. What exactly did you want to see out of her? The 2nd horse set a ridiculously slow pace and was inside, while Z was widest on the turn, moved too soon, and gained the lead with the length of the stretch yet to be run. For me, it's enough that she maintained an easy advantage to the wire under less than advantageous conditions.

You've never seen a bad horse beat a much better one under similar dynamics?

true, did not happen in 08', at least not to the degree this year.

I'm assuming that finger doesn't represent paths from the rail?

There's a huge difference in attempting to hold off Blame and attempting to run down Rinterval...

QR is placed in spots he can lose. Zenyatta is placed in spots where she would be embarrassed to lose.

well, according to tvg ( i listened on the radio) she's the best horse in america right now-this was before her win this afternoon. i would disagree and say that must be blame after his win over QR...
anyway, she doesn't need much money to be the top money earner in the distaff division...
i'd like to see her go east, i just won't hold my breath waiting for it. there goals are different from all of ours (they own her, it's their right!). they are stressing the win streak most of all. if they get it, and already have the classic win, why do another? they can get the money and the wins at home. and of course i read their 'we want to support cali racing' comment the other day.
zenyatta is obviously a very special horse. can't say i blame them for wanting to keep her close by. i just wish they'd have been willing to take on the boys this year. she handled them just fine last fall. winning a pac classic or hollywood gold cup would have looked so good on her record.

I constantly hear s-h-i-t about a lot of owners. I constantly hear that this person is an a-hole and that person is a prick, etc. But I've never heard anything bad about the Mosses. They are extremely popular. Everyone likes them.

I did hear one kind of funny thing about Moss. I know a guy who grew up with Moss in New York. When they were both 19 years old, they were pretty much broke. They had no money and they were working for peanuts. Anyway, he told me that Moss does not like talking about those days at all. It's a real sore subject with him. He is worth several hundred million dollars now and I guess he doesn't like to be reminded about the days when he was broke.