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Antitrust32 07-02-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 664354)
Not that I know of.

If she ran in the Woodward after this that would be more in line with Jess Jackson's prior style of campaigning, so hopefully you end up being correct.

hopefully she wins her next race with a solid time and performance & then I would truely think that Jess would put her back on track.

Cannon Shell 07-02-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 664210)
HoY this is about marketing..its about people coming to the track something which currently only happens at Delmar and SPA. People dont go to the track, horses arent stars and people have gambling options including other options at the track which keep them away from racing..

Yep that Historic Mother Goose last year was a real humdinger.

No it is about selling out for an extra 5000 people, most of whom wont bet more than token $2 win tickwets on RA at 1-5. That and telling some idiot pol from Hoboken that the horse of the Year (last year) raced there, can we have more money???

In three years no one will even remember the race except some other enterprising owners that will hold the sport for ransom.

Cannon Shell 07-02-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 664371)
hopefully she wins her next race with a solid time and performance & then I would truely think that Jess would put her back on track.

hopefully she loses to a Jersey bred and little Jess will be forced to run in bigger races or take his ball and go home.

Smooth Operator 07-02-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 663922)
“It’s the perfect place to start what we hope will be another championship run.”
This BS is a laugher. What's she been doing the rest of the year. Wasn't the Fleur De Lis enough of a "launchpad"?

The saga of RA gets more hilarious with each passing day.............

tiggerv 07-02-2010 02:06 PM

No way Jess sends her in the Woodward assuming QR is running. I don't think they want the 10F of the Personal Ensign either. My bet is she goes back to MTH for the Molly Pitcher and doesn't run Saratoga at all. MTH will bend over again and boost the purse, or throw a parade, or whatever Jess wants.

Smooth Operator 07-02-2010 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv (Post 664457)
No way Jess sends her in the Woodward assuming QR is running. I don't think they want the 10F of the Personal Ensign either. My bet is she goes back to MTH for the Molly Pitcher and doesn't run Saratoga at all. MTH will bend over again and boost the purse, or throw a parade, or whatever Jess wants.

QR running back in four weeks???????????????????



lol

Cannon Shell 07-02-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 664466)
QR running back in four weeks???????????????????



lol

Ok mr. 5 races are a full season

The Indomitable DrugS 07-02-2010 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 664421)
hopefully she loses to a Jersey bred and little Jess will be forced to run in bigger races or take his ball and go home.

Unlikely, as I'm sure you know.

The Unrivaled Belle race was a few lengths faster than Arson Squad's win in the Alysheba ... and her easy win last time was clearly faster than Blame's win in the Foster.

The funny part ... is that if he choose to run her against males .. which he might have if Zardana never was cranked up like only Shirreffs can and sent to FG ... Jackass Jess wouldn't have such a deflated grape sack right now.

Danzig 07-02-2010 02:46 PM

hey, if he gets 17 starts in by june 2012, he's good to go.

RolloTomasi 07-03-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 664824)
its all about the BC.

If Rachel wins BC distaff then nothing that came before is really going to matter.

If the people governing this sport subscribe to this thinking then top level racing is truly doomed.

Cannon Shell 07-03-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 664827)
If the people governing this sport subscribe to this thinking then top level racing is truly doomed.

Ah the irony of Jackson putting all his eggs in the BC basket after doing the exact opposite last year

Cannon Shell 07-03-2010 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 664831)
Answer me this. if Rachel is not 100% yet what should they be doing?

What would make you think she isnt 100%?

Cannon Shell 07-03-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 664832)
Clearly they are not in an ideal situation. Based on last year I am sure they would prefer to take a different approach. But if horse isnt the same what should they do? The "real" Rachel may never show up again

What are you talking about? Did you not see her last race?

RolloTomasi 07-03-2010 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 664832)
Thats been the thinking for how long?

Pretty much about the same length of time that top class racing has been on a precipitous decline in this country.

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Clearly they are not in an ideal situation. Based on last year I am sure they would prefer to take a different approach. But if horse isnt the same what should they do? The "real" Rachel may never show up again
Rachel Alexandra is a 4yo filly. She's coming off a Grade 2 victory. What is wrong with the races already in existence like the Grade 2 Delaware Handicap or the Grade 1 Ruffian?

If the "real" Rachel Alexandra ran in either of those, she'd win by a pole. As it stands, even if she's not at her best, she'd be a major contender in either race baced on her 2010 form.

blackthroatedwind 07-03-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 664838)
Should their goal be the Delaware Hcp or the Breeders Cup?

Believe it or not, racehorses can have more than one goal.

Cannon Shell 07-03-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 664837)
Forget what I think. What you think.

Its irrelevant.

I am saying if they think that what should they do. If they feel she isnt 100% yet.

Now we can argue that they really think she is 100%. If they think she is 100% what is their motive here?

The motive is obvious. Jackson hates losing more than he likes winning. The idea that she somehow isn't 100% is made up, nebulous crap that he puts out there in case she loses. He is the most insecure billionaire that I have ever seen.

RolloTomasi 07-03-2010 02:22 PM

HomerS, just for the record, running a 4yo filly in the Delaware or Ruffian in no way is similar to running a 3yo filly in the Preakness, Haskell, or Woodward.

blackthroatedwind 07-03-2010 02:22 PM

One concocts a schedule of goals depending on the horse and the suitable races. For instance, while Quality Road is having a somewhat short campaign, his goals this year, laid out very early, were the Donn, the Met, the Whitney, one or both of the Woodward and Jockey Club Gold Cup, and finally the BC. Those are the biggest dirt races in the country, spread throughout the year, and thus those are the ones an older horse who wants to lay a legitimate claim to horse of the year should be running in. Sure, you could substitute the Foster for the Met, but certainly you get my drift.

Running in mostly races of no challenge, and then demanding awards at the end of the year, is a relatively new thing.....and it stinks. And, it is ruining the game at the highest level. Fortunately, the BC has offered this platform for those deluded enough to buy the BS.

10 pnt move up 07-03-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 664839)
Believe it or not, racehorses can have more than one goal.

That would make the chemistry a little harder though.

Smooth Operator 07-05-2010 09:49 PM

Been several days now since this bizarre announcement to stick RA in an ungraded contest … and it still makes me laugh...

stonegossard 07-05-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 665467)
Been several days now since this bizarre announcement to stick RA in an ungraded contest … and it still makes me laugh...


She is doing what Zenyatta won't. Race at different tracks throughout the year and not stay in hiding. RA will go to MTH and reward the fans there, then race at Saratoga late summer. I think it's a fine move going back to the two tracks she ran huge at last year. She is obviously back to her old self and at this point would crush Zenyatta. If Team Moss had the stones to go race in Saratoga, it would be great. But they won't and now seem afraid to be anywhere near RA. Team Moss running her in yet another boring So-Cal filly race is sad.

Smooth Operator 07-05-2010 10:12 PM

Wow … hoisting a few cold ones this evening, stone?

Indian Charlie 07-05-2010 10:25 PM

It's a well known fact stock traders get blitzed at night.

What's your excuse operatard? Hoisting a few too many concussions tonight?

Smooth Operator 07-05-2010 10:33 PM

Time to latch onto a new word, Indian boy

You've pretty much beaten "tard" to death at this point.

Smooth Operator 07-05-2010 10:48 PM

Stone must've called it a night.

Guy was on a roll there for a while … saying Buffett "isn't that bright" … and RA "would crush" Z.

Was looking forward to some more hilarity

Guess I'll have to settle for Indian boy's next gem…

letswastemoney 07-06-2010 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 665493)
Stone must've called it a night.

Guy was on a roll there for a while … saying Buffett "isn't that bright" … and RA "would crush" Z.

Was looking forward to some more hilarity

Guess I'll have to settle for Indian boy's next gem…

Did anybody think Banshee Breeze would crush the then undefeated Manistique?

None of us know what would happen in a RA and Zenyatta race. Shirreff's record in NY is not encouraging though.

Indian Charlie 07-06-2010 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 665484)
Time to latch onto a new word, Indian boy

You've pretty much beaten "tard" to death at this point.

Nope.

It's such a fitting word for so many people.

Especially you.

Do you honestly think it's some sort of accident that I keep using it? Like gosh, I must suffer from such a lack of imagination that I cannot come up with other words, like loser, or Charlene?

Ya know, maybe I'll try to come up with something just for you after all. Maybe every fourth or so post I address to you, I'll resort to the tard thing, but for now, I'll leave you with the Prostate Operator one.

Oops, make that Prostate Operatard.

stonegossard 07-06-2010 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 665476)
Wow … hoisting a few cold ones this evening, stone?

Nah, I don't drink anymore. But if I do you will know. I will start praising Team Zenyatta for their strong schedule.

stonegossard 07-06-2010 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator (Post 665493)
Stone must've called it a night.

Guy was on a roll there for a while … saying Buffett "isn't that bright" … and RA "would crush" Z.

Was looking forward to some more hilarity

Guess I'll have to settle for Indian boy's next gem…

Buying stocks and blindly holding them for a long period of time during a bull market doesn't take a rocket scientist. Buffet makes a fortune during bull mkt runs, and gets killed during bear market periods. I guess he is very smart during bull mkts and very dumb during bear mkts. But being a big Buffet fan you knew this already.

knickslions2 07-06-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard (Post 665522)
Nah, I don't drink anymore. But if I do you will know. I will start praising Team Zenyatta for their strong schedule.

With statements like RA would crush Zenyatta I think you should reconsider going back to the sauce

Smooth Operator 07-06-2010 09:52 AM

By the way, would love to see this Blame stuff the super-fresh QR in the Whitney…


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