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RockHardTen1985 03-12-2010 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
"hai Vic. I pik nu agnt lol g2g 143 J"

lol

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-12-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Just for you Dan......

gd i just spit up the coffee..

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-12-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
"hai Vic. I pik nu agnt lol g2g 143 J"

lmfao

Scav 03-12-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
you, bob, and chuck might wanna get into talks with his agent before he gets out to chicago, wanna make sure he's got first call on all BG mounts

-bt-

He is on the banned list.....

You want to get your boy fired up, have him talk about the banned list, veins pop in his neck! I have been on location when people get added to the banned list. It is great people watching.

RockHardTen1985 03-12-2010 11:14 AM

Is Vic going to speak on this topic?

v j stauffer 03-12-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Is Vic going to speak on this topic?

Eventually

freddymo 03-12-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
No chance. We're very happy just where we are.

Ya Think?

Coach Pants 03-12-2010 11:58 AM

This ordeal is hilarious because it all comes down to greed for both parties.

Vic added Garcia, Rosario gets midget rage and looks for a better opportunity.

If you're going to add a second jockey why in the world would it be Martin Garcia? The guy is never going to be an elite rider. Why risk losing your true breadwinner for that slapdick?

Short-sighted buffoonery is why.

randallscott35 03-12-2010 12:05 PM

Rosario can likely pick the mount back up on Cedros now.

chucklestheclown 03-12-2010 12:30 PM

Wow. A friend told me the other day how much he trusted me above anyone else. While accepting the compliment I acknowledged and pointed out the slim pickings involved. Life is cruel. As another friend liked to say when things were REALLY bad, "Keep your chin up."

Antitrust32 03-12-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Ya Think?

:rolleyes:

have a heart

dellinger63 03-12-2010 12:39 PM

Wonder if 'east coast' racing came up and who bought?


hoovesupsideyourhead 03-12-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Wonder if 'east coast' racing came up and who bought?


frank l 'had to piss when the bill came ..lol

Coach Pants 03-12-2010 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
frank l 'had to piss when the bill came ..lol

Guy has a face like a tomato. BP must be over 200

VOL JACK 03-12-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
This ordeal is hilarious because it all comes down to greed for both parties.

Vic added Garcia, Rosario gets midget rage and looks for a better opportunity.

If you're going to add a second jockey why in the world would it be Martin Garcia? The guy is never going to be an elite rider. Why risk losing your true breadwinner for that slapdick?

Short-sighted buffoonery is why.

Well in short hind-sight MG won a 250k race (Southwest) and the 750K Big Cap in the last 2 weeks.

RockHardTen1985 03-12-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Well in short hind-sight MG won a 250k race (Southwest) and the 750K Big Cap in the last 2 weeks.

I loved his ride in the Big Cap, he put that horse in the best possible spot from way out there. Softest possible trip because of the ride, I like Garcia.

freddymo 03-12-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I loved his ride in the Big Cap, he put that horse in the best possible spot from way out there. Softest possible trip because of the ride, I like Garcia.

Yep he is #1 in Vic's book

Antitrust32 03-12-2010 02:23 PM

shouldnt Ebanks be more worried about March Madness than jockey's?

Coach Pants 03-12-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Well in short hind-sight MG won a 250k race (Southwest) and the 750K Big Cap in the last 2 weeks.

Well he's an elite rider now. Pardon moi.

VOL JACK 03-12-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Well he's an elite rider now. Pardon moi.

Just sayin...

Coach Pants 03-12-2010 04:44 PM

Yes and here's more stats..

He's 4th in money earnings.

Now..

He's winning at a horrible 13% and in the money 36%.

The big cap win was a mirage. This guy has been touted as being one of the next great ones since 2006. He's not. To risk losing Rosario for him is stupid.

My point stands.

SCUDSBROTHER 03-12-2010 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Sounds like someone was in the young man's ear.


Ya think? Well, in my opinion(after watching these midget activities for almost 30 years) this was predictable. For a lot of reasons, I think a top jock needs "his own" jock agent. I thought it was a bad move for Vic to pick the 2nd jock up. Obviously, we have opposing opinions on it. Remember when Talamo left this same Eubanks guy? I said these guys are better off with their own agents. I'm sure Joel agreed to it, but, in practice, it just doesn't work well. Dude, when your 2nd jock gets about 40k, and your top jock gets almost nothing? It was gunna test your lil experiment. Test over. All the stuff you two did together wasn't enough to counter this lil sht's anger over Marty get 40k, and him getting zip. So, people can tell me it works, but I just don't think the 2 jock thing works very well. The only thing that could of avoided this is not getting another jock to rep. What would you've done if J told you to pick 1? Again, a bad situation.

3kings 03-12-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Ya think? Well, in my opinion(after watching these midget activities for almost 30 years) this was predictable. For a lot of reasons, I think a top jock needs "his own" jock agent. I thought it was a bad move for Vic to pick the 2nd jock up. Obviously, we have opposing opinions on it. Remember when Talamo left this same Eubanks guy? I said these guys are better off with their own agents. I'm sure Joel agreed to it, but, in practice, it just doesn't work well. Dude, when your 2nd jock gets about 40k, and your top jock gets almost nothing? It was gunna test your lil experiment. Test over. All the stuff you two did together wasn't enough to counter this lil sht's anger over Marty get 40k, and him getting zip. So, people can tell me it works, but I just don't think the 2 jock thing works very well. The only thing that could of avoided this is not getting another jock to rep. What would you've done if J told you to pick 1? Again, a bad situation.

I agree with this, especially when the other agent is calling him and telling the PO'ed jockey that should have been his horse.

Scav 03-12-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Yes and here's more stats..

He's 4th in money earnings.

Now..

He's winning at a horrible 13% and in the money 36%.

The big cap win was a mirage. This guy has been touted as being one of the next great ones since 2006. He's not. To risk losing Rosario for him is stupid.

My point stands.

I couldn't agree more about him being bad. I remember arguing about him with someone else who thought he was the good.

Tyler Kaplan could ride some of these steam jobs that Baffert is putting him on. He is obviously working his ass off in the mornings for Baffert so he is getting rewarded, which is a good thing, but there is about 7 other riders I would trust over him out there.....

mbahadur 03-12-2010 10:22 PM

See attached link for Bruno DeJulio's take on the agent change.

http://www.santaanita.com/sites/defa...wsletter_0.pdf

freddymo 03-12-2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mbahadur
See attached link for Bruno DeJulio's take on the agent change.

http://www.santaanita.com/sites/defa...wsletter_0.pdf

A scent of a woman... You got your out Vic.. The girl is the fallGUY

Scav 03-12-2010 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
A scent of a woman... You got your out Vic.. The girl is the fallGUY

Woman are the f'n rake man

Wayne Catalano and the Calabrese racing team has extended an hand out to Michael for the Arlington Park meet.

This is so great. At least I know I will only be haunted for the first couple weeks until he gets benched and ET Baird is called back in.

Coach Pants 03-12-2010 11:17 PM

the circle of butthurt widens.

asudevil 03-12-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mbahadur
See attached link for Bruno DeJulio's take on the agent change.

http://www.santaanita.com/sites/defa...wsletter_0.pdf

Can I get it translated?

stonegossard 03-12-2010 11:59 PM

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/ro...er-for-ebanks/

stonegossard 03-13-2010 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Woman are the f'n rake man

Wayne Catalano and the Calabrese racing team has extended an hand out to Michael for the Arlington Park meet.

This is so great. At least I know I will only be haunted for the first couple weeks until he gets benched and ET Baird is called back in.

Michael Baze is gonna win a ton of races out there.What's he up against? Tim Thorton....Razo....Wade...Riggs........Uriel Lopez ? With Catalano backing him he will crush that laughable colony.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2010 12:25 AM

Why do some trainers whine as much as they do about "getting spun" ?

The jockey is one of the most meaningless factors in all of racing ... is it such a great loss that a rider - or his agent - who would rather ride another horse in the race is not on your horse?

Scav 03-13-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Michael Baze is gonna win a ton of races out there.What's he up against? Tim Thorton....Razo....Wade...Riggs........Uriel Lopez ? With Catalano backing him he will crush that laughable colony.

Here is the thing though, the hatred between Calabrese and Catalano is still there, he isn't going to be riding for both of them, one because they are in alot of races together and two, Calabrese won't ride someone that he is riding usually.

There is no doubt he is gonna be getting on some Cadilliac's. Hell, Catalano was getting Brandon Meier to win races for christ sake, he is usually done riding by the 1/4 pole because he hasn't eaten in three days.

There is also no doubt that this colony is less to be desired. I think Wade is hurt again by the way.

Coach Pants 03-13-2010 12:29 AM

Principle.

Add to the fact an effeminate ogre is the one doing it.

-BT- 03-13-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Here is the thing though, the hatred between Calabrese and Catalano is still there, he isn't going to be riding for both of them, one because they are in alot of races together and two, Calabrese won't ride someone that he is riding usually.

There is no doubt he is gonna be getting on some Cadilliac's. Hell, Catalano was getting Brandon Meier to win races for christ sake, he is usually done riding by the 1/4 pole because he hasn't eaten in three days.

There is also no doubt that this colony is less to be desired. I think Wade is hurt again by the way.


threw earlie fires some huge bones at the end of his carreer as well. IMO Baze will be a middle of the road jock, by no means do i see him dominating ANY meet

-bt-

the_fat_man 03-13-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The jockey is one of the most meaningless factors in all of racing

How do you watch as many races as you do and still find the NUTS to (repeatedly) post this stuff? Especially since your 'home track' is PID.

Statistics are MEANINGFUL.
Speed Figures are MEANINGFUL

A premature move is MEANINGLESS. :rolleyes:

The Indomitable DrugS 03-13-2010 09:45 AM

PID is my 'home track' only in so much as it's 2 miles away and all my selections go in the newspaper.

For two straight years my top selection has yielded a flat bet profit at the end of each meet.

But hey, that's just 1,600 races... Joel Rosario, who you knock bigtime as a jockey, has yielded a flat bet profit for a riding career of over 4k races.

Don't get me wrong .. I'll downgrade the chances of a horse if I think the new rider is hopelessly incompetent... or if the rider switch is one I deem negative.

Just because I quote a lot of riders stats doesn't mean it's much of a factor in my handicapping. A lot of times - the reputation of the rider gets baked into the odds. Yeah, Dominguez is great ... but if you get him you're going to see a bit of a hit in price. Yeah, Jackie Davis stinks ... but hey, you're going to get the best of it price wise with someone like that. If the horse runs well enough .. it won't matter.

Sometimes everything unfolds right and bad riders land perfect trips. Sometimes things go wrong and good riders find bad trips.

stonegossard 03-13-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Here is the thing though, the hatred between Calabrese and Catalano is still there, he isn't going to be riding for both of them, one because they are in alot of races together and two, Calabrese won't ride someone that he is riding usually.

There is no doubt he is gonna be getting on some Cadilliac's. Hell, Catalano was getting Brandon Meier to win races for christ sake, he is usually done riding by the 1/4 pole because he hasn't eaten in three days.

There is also no doubt that this colony is less to be desired. I think Wade is hurt again by the way.

I just think that when given half decent mounts, Baze is one of the better jocks out at SA. The guy did win a few meets out there yrs ago. Now he is goin to a colony that is very weak.

For Baze's sake hopefully Catalano chooses him...will be better off. I would guess some of the better horsemen will be off to NJ this summer making Catalano that much stronger out there. If a guy like Brandon M. can win races out there....anyone with 2 arms, 2 legs, and a head can win.

I didn't realize that Calabrese and Catalano STILL hate eachother. Figured they would have moved past it. Frank Calabrese is a strange guy. Heard some strange stories about that dude when I lived out there.

blackthroatedwind 03-13-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Woman are the f'n rake man


This comment is the definition of boorish.

For what it's worth, women read this board too.

the_fat_man 03-13-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
PID is my 'home track' only in so much as it's 2 miles away and all my selections go in the newspaper.

For two straight years my top selection has yielded a flat bet profit at the end of each meet.

But hey, that's just 1,600 races... Joel Rosario, who you knock bigtime as a jockey, has yielded a flat bet profit for a riding career of over 4k races.

Your top picks are typically CHALK, from what I've seen you write on the topic. Moreover, I just completed a year's worth of plays, close to 2,000 plays, with a POSITIVE ROI. (And my only 'tool' is that simpleton Fat Chart-- imagine if the charts were actually accurate?)
It's NOT statistics or any other of the common tools. So, let's get that out of the way and not feel the need to mention it again.:rolleyes:

I could care less what Rosario's flat bet results are. I have an idea what he can and can't do from watching him. He's NOT a top jock. If I depended on results, then I'd be keying on Jacquie Davis, who certainly has a HIGHER return over the past 200 races than Rosario. These stats are USELESS to me.


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