that's true too. look at asmussen...he serves six months, soon as he returns what horse shows up in his barn? curlin. owned by the great 'sportsman' jess jackson. it's sickening really. the breed and sport were around for years because people sought to make a good horse. now they just want to make a buck.

This sport is no different then any other.. my horse had double barrel adaquan for two days before he raced. Adaquan is legal in Pa. to race on.. Is adaquan a naturally occuring substance? Is gastrogard a natural substance. Surely your horses get similar meds as they are common and helpful to making them feel better and run faster.. You think the line stops where? I want nothing to do with racing any horse on any medication that is NOT LEGAL. but if it is legal and will help me win and pay for a complete laimo you are dam straight I am interested. If ole Kenny Mc peek was buying 50k horses and found something which was a non natural substance but was not detrimental to the horses health made them run better and wasnt going to get him or myself in trouble count me in as long at it is legal. Legal is defined as a substance which is tested for that the state mandates you get in troublefor if your horse races on it. If they dont test for it how can it be illegal or more importantly why ?

kenny mcpeek reminds me of doctors - they are always away on vacation when you need them and you have to settle for an asst

Really Kenny McPeek won a ton of Dough this last Keeneland meet, racing his 50k yearlings against 500k yearlings. Your Dr must have some VERY smokin hot asst's.

and mr mcpeek has some pretty good one's as well

freddy what will the shieks do , will they dump kiaran?

Not according to Cannon Shell, his theory is Darley will double shift him..lol

I have no clue nor do I care very much. I suspect Mclaughlin will be fine. Mostly because he is a wonderful horseman with terrific skills. The assertion that the very best trainers in the industry are simply medical wonders is so friggin self righteous that you have to laugh hard.

You think I don't understand these guys push hard, please any moron knows they are vetting the F out of their stock. So apparently this is what it takes to get horses to race well. WE have 50k races in this country a year. Close 60% of the tracks and make shopping malls out of them and you will see the decline of the cheaters and the emergence of the full field and high quality properly bred animal.. Do you realize how many horrendously bred animals are bred because Penn Nat lets pigs race for 25k? A complete pig races for 25k and the best of allowance race horses go for 45k.

Disagree... less races, more competition, MORE cheating...

unless things go the way of Hong Kong, where positives REALLY cost money and business, then this crap will continue.

As for McLaughlin... the lack of furor is probably because we are all tired of it. We all knew he was doing something, probably not major, it was just a matter of when not if when he got caught.

Aspirin and heroin are both drugs. One is legal, one is not. Still following?

If something isnt allowed but not yet tested for it is still illegal according to the rules of racing. Meaning just because you havent gotten a positive doesnt mean you havent broken the rules. Your version of "legal" has nothing to do with the actual rules. You have simply made them up as you believe that this makes sense in the Freddy mo world.

I would guess that very few of MePeeks runners this past meet were of the 50k variety.

And this is the same logic that led us to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Having the best horses isnt enough. We need to "push hard". Or in other words cheat. I have defended many trainers on the forum when they get a bs positive and everyone wants to pile on. But when a "wonderful guy" gets a blatant positive it is just business as usual? Incredible.

Actually I don't think he had a horse over $150K and most ranged in the $50-$80K range. Of the juveniles he brought to the BC, the cheapest was Noble's Promise at $10K and the most expensive was Connie and Michael at $100K. One horse was a homebred and the other two were $80K.

Sorry, if I was buying horses - McPeek would be my guy! :)

He didnt buy Nobles Promise. House of grace was 100k. Beautician was 110k.

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/a-...-at-all-costs/

not to beat on the guy who just died, but he was a good trainer that had plenty of positives, including a morphine positive (and in this case, admitted usage without getting caught.) they all do whatever they can.

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.

Oh no you dih int!

That Purge colt he bought for 13k at the Fasig Tipton July sale, and 75% of that horse is for sale, for 30k.

Brillant

The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.

It's called keeping in business Scav. Take a look at Westpoints markups

yup , but it's against the law if you know there was collusion at the sale

if you could ever get him on the phone

it's similar to politcs steve , the media pick and choose who they want to bury ,it's the american way ....how on earth anyone with a straight face can say that obama was anymore qualified to be president than any of the challengers from both sides is a complete farce .....he was the media's messiah, over at nbc they actually believe he can walk on water

Marty,

Do you call McPeek often? You have horses with him? You do a lot of business with him? Or are you simply parroting someone else and their alleged issues with him?

no , no, no , yes

but you already know that

he does have very good asst's , i don't think that can be overlooked

In my world its pretty simple, if the ruling body isnt specifically testing for a dangerous substance then clearly it can not be illegal. There are laws on the books that are valid, those are the ones enforced, you know tested for etc. You elect to avoid medication which you know will be beneficial to your stock because you have concerns that in 2037 there might be enforcement of a ridiculous law without teeth? More power to you if you can make folks money and earn a living being concerned about 2037 testing in 2010 congrats.

So let me get this right.. People use certain meds that the State Authorities have deemed illegal yet they did as such under the broad spectrum of "Anything Unnaturally Occuring", they failed to set guideline on use and allowable amounts(how could they they have no clue what it is they are talking about) and deemed ANY existence in ANY quanitity offensible eventhough guidelines haven't been established. I guess they figure they can set the guidelines after they figure out what indeed they are looking for. So you figure these people are cheaters because they are using meds that the state hasn't given any friggin structure on at all.. So you figure you will self police yourself and you will determine in Chucky's world what is Aspirin vs. Heroin. More importantly, your definitions as such will be the guidelines for whom you call smug cheaters and whom you call squeaky clean. Anything else you would like to share with us? How about an 11th commandment? Thou shall live by Chuck's self righteous self serving views.. . Again always root for you and your success just because I think your completely insane doesnt mean I dont wish you and yours the very best of success and luck.

Please Chuck give the guy credit. He has won a a lot with horses that were not exactly a++ types. He won wth a lot 25 -100k types that turned out to be very good earners. I wish his 2009 on you and yours in 2010

When you are an owner of horses and you are earning money the invoices are a lot easier to pay then if you are blow thru 300k a year without much success. Who gives a F about invoices when you are earning.. Stop it give the man his due

freddymo is the guy who praised Madoff before the scheme collapsed.

and got his $$$ out many years ago , they can't even go back and get it from him as the staute of limitations expired :D :D

OK, you win Chuck - he totally sucks as a blood-stock agent and a trainer and you're like the best EVAH. :rolleyes:

Marty, AGAIN...she won 2 races on the dirt at Toga this summer and both of those were off the turf events. Races scheduled for the dirt she was 0 for 12

again , no turf races at belmont or the big a this fall kev? i guess the only NY track i was watching this fall was yonkers

You know he's not the only guy doing this right? The buyer should be doing their homework and if they feel the results are worth the mark-up so be it.

Personally I'd rather buy a horse for $75K, knowing McPeek is making out on the horse than buying a horse out-right at an auction for $200K from a guy who doesn't have McPeek's record of buying at the sales but that is just me.

you can't be a little pregnant , either you are are your aren't

Sorry Marty, didn't realize that all 3 NYRA tracks had the same condition book for every meet. How foolish of me not to recognize that.

can you pull up these stats please

how many of her wins were turf sprints at SAR? how many were routes? 2 of her wins were off turf

how many turf sprints did BEL card this fall? how many turf routes did bel card this fall?

what were her stats in those compares to SAR ?

how many turf sprints at the big a so far , how many turf routes? what are her stats?

Did you know that this summer at Saratoga it was the first time EVER that more than HALF the races were carded for the turf? 195 of the 365 races. You think that plays into the hands of a turf specialist trainer like Linda? All 20 of her winners were on races scheduled for the grass.
20 winners at Toga this summer.
11 @ 5 1/2 furlongs on the turf
2 off the turf winners
7 turf route winners.

Little Richard?....Who doesn't like Little Richard.

The point is not to dis anyone as buying a yearling is exciting and risky at any level. The point is to praise someone who did well even if he took the first sip of cream off the top. I really hope Chuck and Bob win a g1 with any of their stuff. Heck just because Chuck and I dont see eye to eye certainly doesnt mean I don't wish him anything but the very best.