And Cloudy is a big, lumbering, horse (and to be honest, kind of ugly up close too, if you ask me) who's always seemed better-suited to marathon distances and sweeping courses, which seems to explain his success at Woodbine and Kentucky Downs.

Based on the way he runs and the way he moves, it seems to me that while there are some concerns (short rest, Pro-Ride), the distance being within his scope won't be one of them.

Plus, he couldn't have looked ANY more sensational bouncing his way back to the winner's circle last week after the Sycamore. Like having just run that marathon race was nothing at all to him...

I like the looks on paper atleast of Father Time, he's going to be overlooked due to Godolphin's Mastery but he has the look of a live Euro (perhaps 1st lasix) in this race. Not a huge fan of Jamie Spencer though if he is indeed the Jock but he's definitely possible.

Yea, most people named Spencer are notorious for screwing up things when the big-time comes around.

Two things stood out to me.

Summer Bird also being entered in the Turf.
Girolamo's first preference being the Classic.

Ice said a month ago that Summer Bird would be cross-entered in the Turf.

Putting Girolamo in the Classic seems a tad 'eager', no? But hell, they already have 2 in the Dirt Mile...

Girolamo is going to win now to spite you. :p

When he said that, it was before he had gone to California to train and he said he was keeping his options open because Summer Bird hadn't seemed to really like the synthetic when he trained on it before. Now, he's been there and been working on it and he's still entering the Turf. I could be wrong but that indicates to me that maybe he's not as happy with what he's seeing as he's saying to the media.

Anyone else notice what Zenyatta's first preference is? :tro:

That really means nothing. They know there was no chance of the Distaff overflowing. It just makes things easier for them, as usual.

I think this horse is one of their best bullets and with so much upside and Regal Ransom there to ensure some pace, I say go for it. This Classic field doesn't scream world beaters either.

The turf is going to be fascinating as Conduit will get a lot of the money but most likely won't get the set up he needs! Spanish Moon and Fallon look like the guys!!

He's a good trainer, and a proponent of alkalizing. So, it's an amalgam. Careful if he enters something down the hill. Fatboy horses sure do power down that hill.

I don't doubt this on both accounts, he's having just an ok yr for his standards, Ted West Sr. And Jr. never could distinguish the 2 are also having just ok year's, makes you wonder toothpaste is the only thing working out there at the moment. :zz:

I still think Con was the 3rd best horse in the turf last year.
If SoF and Eagle Mnt jocks had a brain they would have run 1-2.

I will never, ever forget the field coming by the stands the first time last year, turning to Ntamm and asking...why is Soldier of Fortune pace-pressing his own rabbit. I will NEVER, EVER understand that ride. I'd like to say that he wasn't going to win anyway, but who could've told based on what is, quite possibly, the worst turf ride in a BC race.

With Presious Passion in the race, there will be a legit pace, especially with the first half-mile run downhill.

Worse than Spencer's on Powerscourt?? That one is hard to beat.

Yes it was worse.

yeah he's there, but maybe a chance they just let him do his own thing which would mean Fallon is setting the pace (but still saying that, PP could be dangerous out there!)

dont think Shea did much wrong on Eagle. He rode him assuming he would stay but didnt as well as Conduit.

I thought so...considering that they flew Red Rock Canyon over to go run and gun, there was no reason to think that their multiple G1 winner would be pressing the pace set by the hopeless maiden. Powerscourt was a bad ride on its own merits, I thought Murtagh's ride on Soldier of Fortune was absolute lunacy.

I might be using Presious Passion, and this is coming from someone that absolutely HATES the horse, but the fact that it will be firm as can be, this horse is gonna have a HUGE lead going the finish line turn, he might just run away, I don't know.

I absolutely loved this race last year. Scavs turning to me as they turned from home asking where Conduit is? Whoosh, there he is..

I think this screams stupidity from Godolphin. He's a lightly raced horse who hasn't been more than a mile and now they are going to push him against some very good horses (particularly the Euros) on a surface he's never run on? I'm as mad at Godolphin as I am at Joe Girardi and that's pretty mad. They'll retire him anyway at the end of the year, so I guess it doesn't really matter. This is a good way to ruin a good horse.

I highly doubt that.

Or a good way to win a very winnable race. The horse is in very good form right now and there are never any guarantees for the future so you take the chance with your best horse when the opportunity arises.

I can't believe that no one is talking about Zenyatta going in the Classic....Byk has the BC Classic as the #1 choice when he updated this morning....

Thing is Tom, with what looked like a certain overflow field for the Classic, they may simply have given preference to it to assure that IF they go there they would get in. The Distaff was not going to fill, so there was no need to show it any preference.

TUESDAY'S WORKS:

Always a Princess Juvenile Fillies Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.01:20

Careless Jewel Ladies Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.11:20

Colonel John Mile/Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 1.02:00

D' Funnybone Juvenile Aqueduct Six Furlongs 1.14:36

Diamondrella (GB) *F & M Turf/Mile/Turf Sprint Belmont Park Four Furlongs 50:79

Lookin At Lucky *Juvenile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.12:40

Pure Clan F & M Turf Churchill Downs Five Furlongs 1.01:40

Richard's Kid *Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.12:80

Zensational *Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Four Furlongs 46:40



MONDAY'S WORKS:

Aikenite Juvenile Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.00:49

Bullsbay *Classic Fair Hill Seven Furlongs 1.29:00

Capt. Candyman Can Sprint Skylight Training Center Four Furlongs 48:20

Crown of Thorns Sprint/Dirt Mile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.13:40

Interactif *Juvenile Turf Belmont Park Four Furlongs 49:11

Jungle Tale Juvenile Fillies Turf Churchill Downs Six Furlongs 1.14:20

Kodiak Kowboy Sprint Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.01:84

Lethal Heat Ladies Classic/Turf Sprint Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:40

Midshipman Dirt Mile Oak Tree At Santa Anita Six Furlongs 1.16:60

Mine That Bird Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:20

Mr. Sidney Mile Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.01:60

Mushka *Ladies Classic/F&M Turf Keeneland Five Furlongs 1.00:40

Quality Road Classic/Mile Belmont Park Five Furlongs 1.00:72

Ready's Echo Sprint Belmont Park Four Furlongs 49:23

Regal Ransom Classic Oak Tree At Santa Anita Five Furlongs 58:40

That makes alot of sense. Good reasoning.

I personally think Moss will go in the Classic. Too much to lose while running in the Distaff and too much to gain while running in the Classic, even though that Classic is gonna be mighty rough.....

I thought Careless Jewell's work was impressive from a time perspective, knowing Carroll's MO that she doesn't Baffert-ize her horses in the morning, this one on the surface looks like a good move. It has crossed my mind that she may be better on dirt despite winning on poly earlier in the yr so it remains to be seen if she will continue her win streak on pro-ride.

$5 million Breeders' Cup Classic

Awesome Gem (Dollase) [1]
Colonel John (Harty) [1]
Einstein (Pitts-Blasi)
Gio Ponti (Clement)
Mine That Bird (Woolley)
Quality Road (Pletcher) [1]
Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [1]
Richard's Kid (Baffert)
Rip Van Winkle (O'Brien)
Summer Bird (Ice) [1]
Twice Over (Cecil)
Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [1]
Bullsbay (Motion) [2]
Mastercraftsman [2]

Excluded:

Girolamo (bin Suroor) [1]
Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [2]


$3 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Turf

1. Allegre (Chambers)
2. Conduit (Stoute)
3. Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [1]
4. Monzante (Mitchell) [1]
5. Precious Passion (Hartman)
6. Red Rocks (Meehan)
7. Spanish Moon (Stoute)
8. Telling (Hobby)
9. Summer Bird (Ice) [2]


$2 million TVG Breeders' Cup Mile

1. Courageous Cat (Mott)
2. Court Vision (Dutrow)
3. Cowboy Cal (Pletcher)
4. Delegator (Meehan)
5. Ferneley (Cecil)
6. Gladitorius (bin Shafya)
7. Goldikova (Head)
8. Justenuffhumor (McLaughlin)
9. Karelian (Arnold)
10. Mr. Sidney (Mott) [1]
11. Whatsthescript (Sadler)
12. Zacinto (Stoute)
13. Awesome Gem (Dollase) [2]
14. Colonel John (Harty) [2]


$2 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Sprint

1. Capt. Candyman Can (Wilkes)
2. Cost of Freedom (Sadler)
3. Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [2]
4. Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [1]
5. Fatal Bullet (Baker)
6. Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [1]
7. Gayego (bin Suroor)
8. Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [1]
9. Kodiak Kowboy (Asmussen)
10. Square Eddie (O'Neill) [2]
11. Zensational (Baffert)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile

1. Aikenite (Pletcher)
2. Alfred Nobel (O'Brien) [1]
3. Aspire (Kenneally)
4. Beethoven (O'Brien) [1]
5. Buzzword (bin Suroor) [2]
6. D' Funnybone (R. Dutrow)
7. Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
8. Lookin at Lucky (Baffert)
9. Noble's Promise (McPeek)
10. Piscatelli (Sacco)
11. Pounced (Gosden)
12. Pulsion (Biancone)
13. Radiohead (Meehan) [1]
14. Vale of York (bin Suroor) [1]

Excluded:

Dave in Dixie (Sadler)
Eskendereya (Pletcher) [1]
William's Kitten (Maker)
Awesome Act (Noseda) [2]
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [1]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile

1. Bullsbay (Motion) [1]
2. Chocolate Candy (Hollendorfer) [1]
3. Crown of Thorns (Mandella) [1]
4. Mambo Meister (Gleaves)
5. Mastercraftsman (O'Brien) [1]
6. Midshipman (bin Suroor)
7. Pyro (bin Suroor)
8. Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [1]
9. Cowboy Cal (Pletcher) [2]
10. Girolamo (bin Suroor) [2]
11. Quality Road (Pletcher) [2]
12. Regal Ransom (bin Suroor) [2]

Excluded:

Karelian (Arnold) [2]
Mr. Sidney (Mott) [2]
Ready's Echo (Pletcher)
Furthest Land (Maker)
Monzante (Mitchell) [2]
Neko Bay (Shirreffs)
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [2]
Cherokee Artist (Motion)
Join in the Dance (Pletcher) [2]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Turf

1. Becky's Kitten (Ward)
2. Bridgetown (McPeek)
3. Buzzword (bin Suroor)
4. Codoy (Hubley)
5. Eskendereya (Pletcher) [2]
6. Gallant Gent (C. Lewis)
7. Interactif (Pletcher)
8. King Ledley (Prendergast)
9. Pounced (Gosden)
10. Vale of York (bin Suroor) [2]
11. Viscount Nelson (O'Brien)
12. Zip Quik (Biancone)

Excluded:

Kera's Kitten (Maker)
Awesome Act (Noseda) [1]
Dean's Kitten (Maker)
Raging Wit (Mott)
Oasis Dancer (Beckett)
Summer Movie (Sherman)
Mint Chip (Arnold)
Fist of Rage (McPeek) [2]


$1 million Breeders' Cup Turf Sprint

1. California Flag (Koriner)
2. Cannonball (Ward/Dominguez)
3. Delta Storm (Mitchell)
4. Desert Code (Hofmans)
5. Diamondrella (Penna)
6. Gotta Have Her (Sahadi)
7. Lethal Heat (Abrams) [1]
8. Lord Shanakill (Jarvis)
9. Noble Court (Sadler)
10. Silver Timber (C. Brown)
11. Strike the Deal (Noseda)
12. Yankee Injunuity (McMullen)
13. Fleeting Spirit (Noseda) [2]
14. Game Face (Pletcher) [2]

Excluded:

Canadian Ballet (Rice)
Square Eddie (O'Neill) [1]
Dancing in Silks (Gaines) [2]
Get Funky (Sadler)
El Gato Malo (Dollase) [1]
Only Green (Head) [1]
Tenga Cat (Ellis)
Cherokee Heavan (Jones)


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$2 million Breeders' Cup Distaff

1. Careless Jewel (J. Carroll)
2. Cocoa Beach (bin Suroor)
3. Life is Sweet (Shirreffs)
4. Mushka (Mott)
5. Music Note (bin Suroor)
6. Proviso (Frankel)
7. Rainbow View (Gosden) [1]
8. Zenyatta (Shirreffs) [2]
9. Lethal Heat (Abrams) [2]


$2 million Emirates Airline Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf

1. Dar Re Mi (Gosden) [2]
2. Dynaforce (Mott)
3. Forever Together (Sheppard)
4. Magical Fantasy (Gallagher)
5. Maram (C. Brown)
6. Midday (Cecil)
7. Pure Clan (Holthus)
8. Rainbow View (Gosden) [2]
9. Rutheriene (Clement)
10. Visit (Frankel)


$2 million Grey Goose Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies

1. Always a Princess (Baffert)
2. Beautician (McPeek)
3. Bickersons (Breen)
4. Biofuel (Baker)
5. Blind Luck (Hollendorfer)
6. Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [1]
7. Connie and Michael (McPeek) [1]
8. Devil May Care (Pletcher)
9. Ms. Vananenzza (Vasquez)
10. Negligee (Terranova)
11. She Be Wild (Catalano)
12. Zilva (Motion) [2]


$1 million Sentient Jet Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Sprint

1. Allicansayiswow (Biancone)
2. Evita Argentina (Sadler)
3. Free Flying Soul (Headley)
4. Game Face (Pletcher) [1]
5. Informed Decision (Sheppard)
6. Only Green (Head)
7. Sara Louise (bin Suroor)
8. Seventh Street (bin Suroor)
9. Silver Swallow (Headley)
10. Sweet Hearth (de Royer-Dupre) [2]
11. Ventura (Frankel)


$1 million Breeders' Cup Juvenile Fillies Turf

1. Elusive Galaxy (Lyons)
2. Hatheer (McLaughlin)
3. House of Grace (McPeek)
4. Jungletale (Asmussen)
5. Junia Tepzia (Schiergen/Fallon)
6. La Nez (Kruljac)
7. Lillie Langtry (O'Brien)
8. Lisa's Kitten (Maker)
9. Potosina (Shuman)
10. Smart Seattle (Motion)
11. Tapitsfly (Romans)
12. Zilva (Motion) [1]

Excluded:

Rose Catherine (Pletcher)
Dad's Crazy (Pletcher)
In the Slips (Cole)
Champagne d'Oro (Guillot) [2]
Connie and Michael (McPeek) [2]
You'll Be Mine?


$500,000 Breeders' Cup Marathon

1. Black Astor (L. Lewis)
2. Cloudy's Knight (Sheppard)
3. Eldaafer (Alvarado)
4. Father Time (Cecil)
5. Gangbuster (K. Desormeaux)
6. Man of Iron (O'Brien)
7. Mastery (bin Suroor)
8. Muhannak (Beckett)
9. Nite Light (Pletcher)
10. On Fire (Abrams)
11. Sir Dave (Carava)

http://www.breederscup.com/content.aspx?id=42710

That logic seems so clear IMO that might be what they've been thinking all along.

When do they have to committ one way or the other on races?

Is there a chance the connections of Zenyatta are looking at how much speed is being entered in the Classic before they make their decision? Maybe they are waiting to the last possible moment to see who's in and who may opt out?

There doesnt seem to me a lot of pace in this year's Classic and I would think Zenyatta would need all the help she can get against these horses. This is a really talented bunch, albeit its being run on her surface in her backyard.

If she goes, she'll probably be 2nd choice to Gio Ponti?

ummm what?

No. She will not be a longer price than Gio Ponti. She'll be the favorite IMO and QR, Summer Bird, and Rip will all be bet before GP.

NT

Really? I think Gio Ponti is going to take a lot of money. Hes already got a win over this surface. QR and Summer Bird are unproven.

You're assuming the public is even remotely in tune with that distinction.

When do they post the list of who gets in first for the oversubscribed races? And why do they list preference if they can still get accepted in both fields even if they are oversubscribed? What is the point of listing a preference?

It is on that link I posted earlier in this thread




(I actually put the exclusions into that post... SB)

especially on BC w/e....