I dont hate Manning and I don't love Favre. Manning is a great QB.

I said if Capers could improve the Packers from 22nd in defense to 14th they'll win 10 games. If he could improve them more than that they can be an 11 or 12 win team.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=50

They are currently 8th in the NFL in total defense.

Manning, Brady and Henne?

Was this what you call "gameplanning" again Sniper? LOL

Yeah, the gameplan i guess is to let favre throw 4 td passes.

Minnesota just went into Green Bay and put up 38 points against that weak defense. That mediocre #4 only threw 4 td passes.

Is there anything else you want to wager on Sniper?

Favre elevated his game against Green Bay this year, there is no doubt about that. I noticed this thread was awfully quiet last week after the 51 attempts leading to a loss in Pittsburgh. Green Bay's O-Line is not getting it done and Rodgers needs to realize that and get rid of the ball quicker. When I made the bet I didn't know Chad Clifton would be injured and how much that would impact their line. It's a shame cause Green Bay would be a heck of a team this year if they could just protect the QB.

Now Tampa Bay hangs 38 on them. Green Bay is a .500 team.

]

How did the D look to you this weekend basically shutting out the NFC east leading cowboys?

Better. Much better. Dallas's game plan was strange at best. They ran the ball a total of 14 times which includes 3 Romo scrambles. They averaged 4.4 per carry. Why do only line up for 11 runs while averaging 4.4 yards?

GB forced 3 turnovers and they were legitimately forced. Great plays on each and they stopped potential scores. Most importantly they sacked Romo 5 times.

Bottom line? The cowboys really arent that good, at least not in my opinion and they played especially bad and they gameplanned especially poorly. Green Bay played their best defense all year. That effort wins last week against TB.

Is he top 5 now? 21 tds 3 picks and his team is 9-1. Is he a top 5 QB?

no

i would take

manning
brady
brees
warner
schaub

he has a better running attack then all of the above teams

Are you kidding? Favre is making Sidney Rice into a star. Schaub has Andre Johnson and Warner has the best receiver combo in the game. Regardless of this, Favre still has better numbers.

hou - has to use 3 backs

ari - hightower/wells

if AP goes down and Favre puts up the #'s then he becomes a top 5 , until then he is a good qb with one of the 2 best rb's in football

Your really far off on this one and I dont like Farve....

LOL. Okay. This thread is hilarious. The guy has thrown 21 tds with 3 picks. His best receiver is Sidney Rice. Sidney ****ing Rice.

I dont care if they brought a walter payton in his prime clone on to the field as his tb. He is playing GREAT football.

At this point, he is having arguably one of the top five seasons of any qb around. He is number one in td/int ratio and number one in qb rating. He is top 10 in almost every other meaningful stat and his team is 9-1.

kurt warner or schaub wouldn't be 9-1 with this team???

Thats the funny thing Pg. I was never a huge fan either. But God...you have to love what the old guy is doing!

When has Schaub ever been 9-1 with ANY team? LOL

The question should be, what would zona and Houston be with Favre at the helm.

don't forget about rivers

Schaub would have a hard time being 9-1 with the 2007 Patriots because the guy has no b.alls in the clutch. He completely botched two throws in the final 4 offensive plays of their loss at Arizona earlier this year. He threw a crucial interception at Indy in a game that the Texans were largely in control of during the 2nd half. He was a no show in the season opener when his #1 target was shut down.

The idea that anyone would take Schaub over Favre right now, or ever, is crazy and I have never been a Favre fan.

NT

zona's would have the same record with favre as they do with warner

maybe houston would have 1 more win with favre

outside of the 49 er game , what game would these vikings have lost with

rivers, schaub , or warner at the helm

i can't see any other game

Your argument is all pure speculation which is just as silly as saying that Pennington would be doing the same thing. I am only dealing with facts here.

The facts are what they are. Is it possible that we stay with the facts?

Hell no.

tell me the game they would have lost , outside of sf , at worst they are 8-2

7 of 10 games of been in the dome for favre, he stunk last year in the winds at the meadowlands


cutler buried him in the denver game

Brett Favre apologist
 

when is Cutler going to throw his 5 interceptions. I need Philly to cover.

Martina Schaub is a woman. Favre hasn't had a receiver the caliber of A. Johnson ever. To claim that woman would equal Favre if he were in Minnesota is ri-goddamn-diculous.

Same with Grandpa Jesus. He's had great receivers at St. Louis and Arizona.

again coach tell me what specific games the vikings would have lost with rivers , warner , or schaub at the controls - i'll give you the 49er game , but i don't see any others

I'm not going to take the time to look the games up. This is a stupid scenario.

det - 2-8 - 2x
gb - 6-4 - 2x
clev - 1-9 -
st louis - 1-9
balt 5-5
sea 3-7
sf 4-6

yeah stupid on your part , they have played 1 team on this list that actually has a winning record, 5 of the 9 wins have come against teams with a combined record of 7-33

No its stupid on your part because there are a million other variables that go into whether or not they win those games and its stupid to speculate on what would have happened with another QB.

the teams they have played stink , any number of qb's in the league would have them at anywhere from 9-1 to 7-3 at worst

warner , schaub , and rivers all would have killed the packers with having AP in their backfield and the pack commiting to stopping the run

whatever. This is dumb speculation. At least have some facts to back up your silly theories.

ok they would be

5-5

rivers , schaub , warner would have caused the vikings to lose twice to the packers , they would have lost to the 49ers and they would have lost to the ravens ,yup sure , next your going to tell me that these 3 guys with AP and that defense would have lost today to the seahawks and maybe would have lost to the rams and lions as well , oops i forgot the browns would have beaten them too on opening day

favre has played well i'm just not convinced he is the reaason they are 9-1 , i think you could be 6-7 qb's on this team with AP and have them 8-2 at worst

the schedule has been a complete joke , no cold weather games yet either , will see

Still no facts.

it's all subjective , there are no facts because the other qb's play for other teams , so i guess rivers , warner , schub would be 0-10 with this team

fact - vikings - 2nd easiset SOS for 2009

Its all speculative which means your argument carries no weight. There are a million variables that come into play that your little mind isnt considering. Could Rivers or Schaub come into this situation and won over the team the way favre did? Could they have adjusted to the players on the field and built chemistry so quickly? Could they have adapted to playing in a completely different system so quickly? Could they have won over the fans the same way? Could Warner have adjusted to not having a big time receiver in his arsenal? He didnt look so good in New York or at the end in St louis when he wasnt throwing to studs. Could he have adjusted? Who is to say any one of them doesnt just come out and play uncharacteristically bad for a couple of those games? Who is to say they don't lose one or two of those games and the bounces start going the other way. Pitt just lost to kc...cincy just lost to oakland...upsets happen in the NFL.

None of your silly speculation takes any of these factors into account. Its impossible to measure. Thats why its STUPID to speculate. GET IT?

fact is who have the vikings beaten that is really any good? how many of the 9 wins have come against a team with a winning record - exactly 2 - the packers, fact is they have one of the eaiser schedules to date in the league , it gets a little harder in the next 6 weeks , we will see how he does

Perhaps. And perhaps he won't play as well in the next six weeks. Or maybe he keeps it up. My point isn't that he is the greatest QB of all time or even the best in the NFL. The only thing that I maintain is that he is having a GREAT season and that his play puts him amongst the NFL elite...thus far.

I dont care what your schedule is-this is the NFL. You throw for 21 tds and 3 picks and you are having a great season any way you cut it. It is foolish to argue that.

I'm quite dumbfounded. What Favre is doing is amazing. He's also pissing me off that f'n ball hog!!! LOL! No way Jackson or Rosenfels equal what Favre is doing.