I love irony.

How would you know?

What a great ride by the jockey who rode Lady lumberjack in the first at Hollywood.

Yeah that was a hall of fame ride right there.

Steve is a big boy and can speak for himself, but the "getting off your high horse" comment I think is a bit much. No one works harder in this industry to make sure people walk away with the best experience possible with the sport than Steve.

I have still yet to see your worthwile contribution to this thread displaying any knowledge of this sport.

I think Vic roots for Rosario in his calls.

I DON'T HEAR THIS BIAS IN ANY OF HIS CALLS. Could someone give me another example. Last night's 6th race was a match race. PGRDN, did I not say it was just those two(Rosario's and the dropper chalk) horses? So, wouldn't anyone be noticing what these two horses are doing? I think it's a little odd to have the announcer be a jock's agent, but I don't think his calls have changed. Maybe I missed it. Like I said, give me a real example. This was a match race.

amen

and how 'bout Pacheco today ?

OMGOMGOMG RACE 4!!! there was such a biased call for Rosario on the 7, he said that one 4 times and the other 4 times OMGZZZZ! :rolleyes:

Vic ain't Andy.

Compare Vic's calls, where he picks up the horses early, to Durkin's call of the Suburban, where the latter mentions just about every horse but the winner in the stretch run, and only calls that one's name at the wire. Now, that's 'court vision':rolleyes:.

But he Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrr's real good.

No one thinks Durkin is any good now of days, do they?

Yes indeed.
Which is why I watched the race.
I was happy that neither horse or jockey got hurt
as that was a left turn without signaling. THe 3 had the
race won. And one of the last things I heard, after all was OK,
was that 3 would have won from V.
We apparently heard the same thing indicating bias.
Nothing.

How about that call in the 7th with the 4 horse.
Me and the entire state of Calfornia saw that one coming
apparently.

I got 1/4 way thru, well............













Weenie.

This what I'm talking about,

























pure entertainment.

Now if Vic changes his calls for you will you be charging him for your" Bite Me " or will that be on the house?????????

[There are many others on this board, who also represent racing in varying degrees, that have made comments or put up pictures that might also be considered inappropriate and/or involve personal conflict. So all the representatives of racing are clearly not treated equally. And there are posters on here that absolutely delight in denigrating posters who have jobs that are well known while they can remain anonymous. This is pure and simple yellow chicken residue.

Which is why I posted.
Bottom line is Steve has to try and diffuse many childish conflicts on a site he intended for enjoyment among horse racing fans. Even if some posters revel in conflict, and it is obviously quite entertaing to some of the posters who would have enjoyed a good day in a Roman stadium.

I think it's possible that this industry professional could have seen the way other industry professionals have been allowed to act on here. Problem is that you've got different rules for different folks. That's simply the truth. Nice guy, but you treat people(acting the same way) differently. This is a gleaming example of it, but there are many.

I'm surprised to see a couple here seem so horrified at the alleged rudeness in stonegossards post...

Where was he rude? He had a valid opinion, stated it, and backed it up.

He sure as hell doesn't need me to defend him but I will anyway cause he's right.

He's knowledgeable, articulate, he's got balls and has not been disrespectful in the least.

A couple of you are being drama queens and instead of being so mortally offended should go back and read the original post.

Maybe it was the 13 straight hours of responding to every single post in this thread with the same narcissistic dreck, stretching this mess out to 7 pages that grew wearisome... Dunno, just a guess

There is a 5 oclock in the morning now? since when? I have never seen it.

This race is available for free on CalRacing.

I can't believe that anybody who bothers to actually watch and listen to this race can possibly come away thinking what the first post in this thread alleges. It's completely absurd.

Hmmm Joel won 5 of 9 today,,,,, he must have read yall are beating up on Vic! :D Good job jock!

Gomez wasnt in town so that 5 wins dont count.

I think there were a couple others out of town as well, but winning 5 is great...but the thread is about Vic isnt it?

Who exactly was knocking, or rooting against, Joel Rosario in this thread?

The answer, for those of you who are confused, which appears to be the majority, is NOBODY.

There's quite a double standard on this board.

I don't know who's a bigger tard here. Stone for being himself, or any of us for replying to him more than once.

The whole premise of this thread was debating whether it's a conflict of interest that Vic Stauffer while being the track announcer at Hollywood Park also performs work as the jockey agent for one of the jocks that ride out of Hollywood Park. I am not going to argue whether it's wrong or right because everyone here has their own opinions on the issue, but I think judging by the definition of a conflict of interest, it's clear that possessing both jobs is a conflict of interest.

Conflict of Interest by definition: A conflict of interest occurs when an individual or organization (such as a policeman, lawyer, insurance adjuster, politician, engineer, executive, director of a corporation, medical research scientist, physician, writer, editor, or any other entrusted individual or organization) has an interest that might compromise their actions. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety.

Quite clearly most here cannot read fine print, because in that statement it is clear that the issue at hand here is quite obvious. By acting as a jock's agent for Joel Rosario and the track announcer at the track he rides at, Vic has an interest(representing Rosario) that MIGHT compromise his actions as the track announcer. I am not going to get into the race call or anything else because that's been beaten like a dead horse, but to say that Vic holding both roles doesn't constitute a conflict of interest or at the very least a potential conflict of interest is horsesh!t. It's right there in the fine print and definition that holding both roles constitutes a conflict of interest. As I said, I am not going to get into whether he makes it one or not because it's not the issue at hand here. He does a great job at what he does, but yes, it certainly qualifies under definition to be a conflict of interest.

I respond only to the people that post directly to me. Now if I didn't say a thing I would be considered chickens#it. If I do respond to those who say something to me then I am accused of carrying on. It's funny....people like yourself who don't agree say my replies are , as you put it, narcissistic dreck. Big words for a small minded person.

Yeah....having an opinion different than others is absurd. Grow up.

How are Doug's eyes today. We need an update. While your at it I think he stubbed his toe. Hurry up...start a useless thread about it.

You are a clown. Drugs must be doing charity work by befriending you.

Figured a few of the clowns on here would start the Rosario thing. He had a great day no doubt. Definitely one of the top jocks in So-Cal. He still isn't winning the bigger races but he is young. He will at some point.

Some of these clowns are predictable as a clock.

The premise is fine. That's a legit concern. A lot of people (who don't like him doing both jobs ) accused him of doing something wrong in that 6th race. I think, if they'd of handicapped the race, they would see this horse had run the fastest. They could see the horse ran 2nd to a horse who is beating winners now. Horse has run 2nd or 3rd in the prior three races at the level. I think most callers would have their eye on that horse. I know I would have. It's a very poor piece of evidence to accuse someone with. Should just say they don't like the guy doing both jobs(instead of wildly fishing like this.)

What exactly is the concern? Let's consider a number of possibilities, assuming, for sake of argument, that Vic 'favors' (whatever the **** that might mean) Rosario in his calls. And, the further assumption that EVERYONE is actually listening to the call of the race. (I wonder what this percentage is.)

1) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and wins the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE WIN. THOSE THAT DIDN'T LOSE (assuming they bet a loser).

2) Rosario's horse gets all the attention in the call and doesn't win the race:

THOSE THAT BET THE HORSE LOSE. THOSE THAT DIDN'T DON'T LOSE (unless they bet another loser, which Vic's call wouldn't affect:rolleyes: ).




Oh Yeah, I can definitely see where there's 'legit concern'. :rolleyes:

Should we move on to those cases where Vic's call affects the outcome of the race? Didn't think so.

Of course, Rosario is presently leading jockey out there and I'm SURE that Vic's calls are the reason.

This is a misrepresentation of the posters point.
He said legit conern about the announcing, he had already
made the point, as have many others, that it does nothing to
effect the outcome of the race. You are looking at it totally
from a wagering point of view.

If someone, God forbid, actually watched racing for pleasure,
and wished the event was presented in an accurate audible
manner, then it might be a concern. There are people on this
board that do not bet, but just like racing.

string em up.

The only embarrassment here is you, bro. Who even thinks about the jockey on the horse who picks up the pieces on a freak turn of events anyways? The horse made a nice move, Vic would have been an embarrassment to NOT mention the move. I just watched the race again. You're even more embarrassing now than four minutes ago when I started this. Gotta love internet tough guys.

Hey bro.

I already claimed I am not an internet tough guy.

It's unbelievable how you can't comprehend what I am talking about. I never said he shouldn't have mentioned the horse, it was just ridiculous that he called basically only that horse from the far turn to the finish. And again, if Solis horse doesn't hit the fence, the 5 wasn't winning.

Send me your address....I will send you some building blocks with the big letters on em....can spell it out for you.

Thank you for the kind words. I think some of these people are just starstruck by VS and will defend him no matter what. Kind of like groupies I guess. Perhaps Drama Queen Groupies. Sounds about right.

Obviously, some people are bothered by this situation. I'm o.k. with it, but I can see why people would be bothered by it. If there's a big stakes race with 4 horses bobing at the wire, then Joel could win 2k, or 12k. He has to act the same way (regardless of how the bob goes.) It's weird.

Go, Vic, Go
 

Vic is always entertaining and engaging in his race calling. He brings that same personality to his posts and conversations here. Vic responds to posts here and private messages in professional, and often, humorous manner.

If stonegossard can't stand the heat, maybe he should get out of the kitchen, to paraphrase President Harry S Truman. 37 posts by one member on thread that he started! stonegossard never had a real argument just an opinion that carried on for much too long.