OK wrong way to put it I should have said you think "Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it"

and with that strong interest and understanding of Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter has come to the conclusion that the persecution of the Palestinians now,(by Isreal) under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that he knows. Worse than Rwanda.

Now I think we got it right

So what's your diplomatic advice for the USA - offensive forever distrust and knowing things will never change?

Hey, if you want to seque into talking about and assessing Carter's middle east history, go ahead, start the thread.

Klink 5 1/2 F Poly 6/19
Albin 1 1/16 Grass 6/21

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Jesus is there a liberal that actually ever responds without resorting to techincalities? Ok then over the next few years then.

Fingers crossed for you guys - good luck!

No I think this was plenty and I'll rest my case with that.

Hey Ahmadinejad just won a democratic election with 70% of the vote and he doesn't believe the Holocaust ever happened. I'm sure OB can straighten them out on that one.

Damn reality! Vote Palin! ;)

Things will never change in the middle east. It has been that way for thousands of years. Bush made the mistake of pushing our version of democracy when the societies there are too helpless to implement it . Obama will make the mistake of appeasement which will simply lead to the power brokers there (Terror groups) to see weakness and continue to go along with life as usual.

maybe if you let Klink take a bite out of Scav while saddling he'll get it home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ZXdvN3orA
LOUD

Lets try it

damn for a second I thought that was BTW

He is taller

I laughed

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...yment-numbers/



Can everyone agree now that Obama's White House staff said 8%???


And if anyone comes back with "well those words didnt actually come out of Obama's mouth"... I surely hope they understand how silly they would look.

interesting that they let Biden speak at all considering this gem...

the vice president urged skeptics to look at teachers who kept their classroom assignments and police officers who kept their beats because of financial assistance from Washington.

"The bottom line is that jobs are being created that would not have been there before," Biden said.

Huh?

Jared Burnstein, Chief economic advisor to Biden, said about his faulty projections in a report that was used by Democrats to validate their stimlus claims, "At the time our forecast seemed reasonable. Now, looking back, it was clearly too optimistic," he told reporters last Monday.

How many more times will we hear these words over the next few years???

Chuck was making it sound like those words came out of Obama's mouth so that would be a valid rebuttal. The words came out of the mouth of Jared Bernstein, the chief economist for Biden, and were made before 4th quarter GDP numbers came out that showed we were far deeper in a recession than people had realized. He was going on the same GDP information that was out when McCain said the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

And I'm pretty sure he never even said that the rate wouldn't get above 8%. I think the quote was that if Congress does not pass the stimulus bill then the rate will go above 8%. In middle school I'm sure we all learned logic and ~A -> B does not mean that A -> ~B. Yes, it's a misleading statement if he truly felt we were going over 8% either way but it still doesn't mean he said we wouldn't go over 8%.

You should be a politician. Can you come up with a few more excuses?

This is exactly what i said. The Democrats used Burnsteins projections and you are surprised that Obama is making Biden and Burnstein defend thier faulty numbers? Saying that Obama himself wasn't actually quoted is petty.

ok

And Obama never said it. Had you said members of Obama's economic team said it wouldn't get above 8% you would have at least been half right. If you wanted to make your point and be accurate (rarely a consideration on here) you would have said "the Obama team said if the stimulus bill wasn't passed the rate would go above 8% yet look where we are now with the stimulus bill having passed". That would be a valid statement and would have made your point.

scott... this is way too silly... So now if the "White House" or "Obama team" says something, its not actually Obama's belief? :wf Obama is now not even responsible for the actions of HIS White House??


Yet every single little thing... even if it was implemented by a Demcrat controlled congress.. was Bush's fault, right?

Where do you see me on here saying everything was Bush's fault and Congress is doing nothing wrong? Obama wasn't even in the White House when Bernstein made the comment.

All I was asking for was a source, cause way too often on here people are misquoted and the quotes are misattributed without a source to back them up.

I think the unemployment rate is higher than given.
Either that, or way too many people are posting on DT from work.

Get on the job people.
America and productivity dont ya know...
Crunch those numbers or whatever damnit!

Did you miss the "and company" part? They have already publicly acknowledged the mistake therefore the assumption was that what I said was 100% correct and accurate. Just because you didnt know what they promised and accused me of making it up doesnt make you a bad guy...

The worst President in American history was back in the news today (how many libs are gonna respond, BusH? :rolleyes: )

So he thinks Hamas is the good guys! How the hell did this guy ever get elected? I'm so glad I was not alive when this moron was President. Werent interest rates and inflation incredibly high when he was the Pres also? Again, how was he elected?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...za-discovered/

"Meanwhile, a Palestinian source told FOX News that the group had discovered two roadside bombs planted near a crossing between Israel and Gaza on a path Carter's convoy took to meet with the group's leaders.

According to the source, the bombs were intended to hit Carter's vehicle as he exited Gaza. There is some suspicion that Hamas extremists linked to Al Qaeda may be behind the attempt."

So the Hamas tries to kill him... but some other Hamas guys stopped it... and he thinks they arent terrorists? This guy is insane.

Look at who proceeded him...

Nixon was just before his time...

he got elected because it was either him or gerald ford.

A substantial majority of Americans say President Obama has not developed a strategy to deal with the budget deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, which also found that support for his plans to overhaul health care, rescue the auto industry and close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, falls well below his job approval ratings.
The poll found a distinct gulf between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.

For conservatives who think Obama is getting a free ride on his policies.
Might not take the above seriously as it is from the flawed NY Times.

It is poll. The times cant get extra credit for simply reporting the results of its own poll. I'm sure there was a corresponding op-ed piece stating how flawed the polls results were by blaming Bush, Rush or Palin.

yes it is so it is very hard to make odd opinions as they
so obviously do with their agenda. The few comments they make on
the results of the poll are not exactly flaming liberal comments:

A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.



Are you not shocked they even published it?
And on the front page...

I will again copy what I wrote:

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

The poll shows that the average Joe isnt ok with the agenda, despite the generally slanted media coverage

Yes.
This is what I posted.

Coming from commie sources like NPR and the NY Times.

And serioulsy you have to expect the public to like the
Obama's personally. The first black president. He is the first president
that does not look like some Banker. (the process is really open!)
Very bright. Incredible story in his rise to what he is today.
And he wrote about it in some not so kind ways.
And he has little kids in the White House, little kids...
its JFK like, kids crawling under his desk while
he signs some important document.

Now his smoking. I got a big problem with that personally.
And he is extraordinarily cocky. He must drive his speech
writers nuts because he is sure he is better than all of them
given the time. I guarantee you he thinks he would make
a better Supreme Court justice than anyone he could nominate.