i would imagine that obama mentioned islamism being in his family so as to illustrate that this country doesn't hate the religion, since he was elected with that in his background. i personally don't care what anyone's religion is, or lack thereof. policy shouldn't be predicated on whatever type preacher you decide to listen to, or what church you attend. if anything, i find repeated discussion of your faith to be a turn-off. i'd never vote for huckabee because of it, and couldn't stand it when bush inferred he was acting on gods behalf. asa hutchison ran for office here in arkansas because 'god told him to'. i wonder if god also told him he'd lose? i'd imagine not...

the egyptians invented the pen-they needed something to write on the papyrus they also invented.

sort of in a cameleon-like way? Who compares Palestinians to slaves, brags about all the great Islamic accomplishments leaving out the lack of human rights especially to women. Bashing Germany for its role in WWII. Standing up for N.Korea having a 'right' to nuclear power. Sitting for a scolding by South American Dictators while concentrating on the dinner show. Yea that will give America respect but from who? Me not thinks Isreal or Germany... Maybe we can follow some of those customs from the great Islamic culture and free up some highway traffic, produce jobs for men and allow more males to attend college.

1. Definitely.

Fiscally, there are many Republican views I find
quite sensible and even preferable.

The heavy borrowing has got me scared. (like many others)
All these commercials/infommericals popping up with the
"how you can get bailout money like a big company" crap....

So the last bolded would be nice so I could have a viable choice.

if you want to call it a pen. What did prehistoric man use to paint caves? Their tounges? Prehistoric paintings also predate the founding of Islam by only approximately 30,000 years. The Roman empire also predates Islam and I'm pretty sure they had arches, spirals and columns.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but it sure differs from what I've seen.

You do realize Obama talked specificially about woman's rights in Islam in the Cairo speech, attacking the lack thereof? Guess not.

I also missed the "Palastinian as slave" reference. And the "bashing Germany for it's role in WWII" is a pretty broad and hardly accurate reference.

Hey, you're free to hate the guy, which you obviously do. But trying to manufacture untruths to justify it is fairly transparent.

must admit I do enjoy a great Islamic concert though.

If you had read the speech, you'd see that he didn't say they invented any of that stuff, but the culture in that region contributed heavily to the advancement of same, which it has. You certainly know that Rome had to go through Persia for trade? Persia was quite the center of the cultural crossroads.

Cat Stevens? :D

I would expect Catholic Schools to present a bit
more of a Westernized version of great achievements.

Like throwing Galileo in jail...

I guess unless they beheaded him it is not considered a great accomlishment Islamic-wise.

So for 700 to 800 years Rome had no architecture and only started building after 61 AD when the Islamic religion was founded? Lucius Stertinius was built in approximately 200BC or 261 years prior to the foundation of Islam and I'm pretty sure it features Roman arches. Not sure what Persia has to do with the argument?
:zz:

little before my time there dell. but i don't know that it qualifies as a 'pen'.

When will Obama talk of the accomplishments of Amin Al Hussein and his SS Hanzar Division? His trip to Germany seemingly would have been the perfect opportunity to recall the cooperation Germany and Islam once enjoyed?

Sometimes the truth hurts.....

"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam - at places like Al-Azhar University - that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality." - Barack Obama

So tell me, in the above, where are the specific falsehoods?

Especially when it's photoshopped and faked.

I want to know how we get respect when our President over and over just apologizes for his county. For OUR country. Its really making me sick.

Thought President Obama's speech on D-Day was good.. the French Presidents speech was the best one though.

Was a nice ceremony.

just a start but some appetizers before I really get into the guts

Obama settled on Al-Azhar University as a co-sponsor of the event, because as he put it, “For over a thousand years, Al-Azhar has stood as a beacon of Islamic learning.” Al-Azhar is indeed the Islamic equivalent of the Vatican curia.

And what learning emerges from Al-Azhar? For starters, there is female genital mutilation. In fairness, Islam gets something of a bad rap here; there is actually nothing in the Koran or the traditions of Muhammad to support it, and most Muslims find it abhorrent. Not Al-Azhar University, though. Gad al-Haq, the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar, adamantly endorsed the practice until his death in 1996, in defiance of the secular government of Egypt’s attempts to ban it. The current Grand Sheikh, rather than condemning the practice as barbaric, says only that it is “not a must.”

Nice Huh?

Algebra? The word is Arabic, but the concepts aren’t; they were developed by Babylonians, Indians, Egyptians, and Greeks long before Muhammad. The magnetic compass? That was developed by the Chinese, not the Muslims; it was Chinese fleets who visited Arabia and Africa in the early 15th century, not vice versa. Printing? Not only did Muslims not invent the printing press, they absolutely forbade its use for nearly three centuries until 1727, and then shut down the first operating press after a few years because the ideas it was pumping out threatened the supremacy of the God experts. Printing in the Muslim world did not resume until 1783, by which point the West had Newton’s laws of physics, the steam engine, joint stock companies, etc. Understanding how disease spreads? As late as the 19th century, a Sufi brotherhood in Morocco attacked the authorities for ordering the evacuation of towns in an attempt to curb the spread of a plague, because the spread of disease should be left to the decision of God.

That good enough? Just because the Obama says so doesn't make it true!!!

WOW!! And people wonder why our society is screwed up......Ignorance will tear this country apart before everything else!!

Not in the world of narrow-viewed Euro-centric history, obviously ;)

"We meet at a time of tension between the United States and Muslims around the world - tension rooted in historical forces that go beyond any current policy debate. .... Moreover, the sweeping change brought by modernity and globalization led many Muslims to view the West as hostile to the traditions of Islam."

"Violent extremists have exploited these tensions in a small but potent minority of Muslims. The attacks of September 11th, 2001 and the continued efforts of these extremists to engage in violence against civilians has led some in my country to view Islam as inevitably hostile not only to America and Western countries, but also to human rights. This has bred more fear and mistrust."

"So long as our relationship is defined by our differences, we will empower those who sow hatred rather than peace, and who promote conflict rather than the cooperation that can help all of our people achieve justice and prosperity. This cycle of suspicion and discord must end."

"In Ankara, I made clear that America is not - and never will be - at war with Islam. We will, however, relentlessly confront violent extremists who pose a grave threat to our security. Because we reject the same thing that people of all faiths reject: the killing of innocent men, women, and children. And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people.

Where does he "over and over apologizes for his country?" What are you talking about?

The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.

At the annual World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland, the president's confidant and advisor Valery Jarrett continued with apologies. This time to the world's business and political movers and shakers.

Ms. Jarrett told the crowd that this economic crisis did not occur by "happenstance" but is the result of our "profound irresponsibility."


Our new president is a man of action as well as a man of words, so while he and his staff apologized to the world for who we have been, he began the task at home to make us a different country.


The latest examples have come on his visits to Central and South America. First, Obama said that the United States is responsible for a huge portion – as much as 90 percent – of the guns being used by Mexican drug smugglers. As a matter of demonstrable fact, that is absolutely, positively wrong. Second, Obama warmly greeted Venezuela’s radical leftist dictator, Hugo Chavez, and then indicated he would open a more extensive dialogue with Chavez. Obama’s act looked terribly obsequious in light of Chavez’ “gift” to Obama of a four-decade-old book (“Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent,” by Uruguayan author Eduardo Galeano) that virulently assails the United States.

After that, Obama sat nearly mute as Nicaragua Communist leader Daniel Ortega made a rabble-rousing speech viciously castigating the United States. Obama’s most forceful response to that was that Latin Americans shouldn’t blame him personally for things (such as the Bay of Pigs fiasco) that happened way back in the year of his birth. In other words, the message wasn’t to defend the United States, but instead effectively to ratify the notion that the United States is evil while washing his own hands of any responsibility for the supposed evil. Again, this is not the behavior the American people have a right to expect from their president. Indeed, it is the polar opposite of what we have a right to expect.

is that enough?

are you fucl<ing kidding me? He's been on an apology tour since he's been elected. I'm not even going to waste my time pasting quotes. You can look up what he says for yourself, or maybe listen to his speeches.

Del, he even apologized for us in his speech in Germany last week. Maybe he should have mentioned that Germany and most of Europe would still be controlled by Nazi's if it wasnt for the good ol' US of A.

If you are going to quote from other sources ( when was the last time you used the word "obsequious" in a sentence), can you list what they are?

No, I'm not fucl<ing kidding you. I've read all his speeches. "An apology tour" isn't there.

Guess Huffington doesn't cover that subject?

No Dell, that's nonsensical :D Quote me Obamas words, not some unattributed right-wing editorialists' opinion.

Don't know. I tend to watch and read things directly, and form my own opinions, rather than depend upon others to tell me what to think.

lol I cant believe I'm arguing something that is so fucl<ing obvious.


but maybe I'm just arrogant, because you know American's are arrogant according to our Great One.

So I greatly apologize.

I cant believe he called us arrogant, in France of all places! :rolleyes:

If he is or isn't 'apoligizing" isn't the point to me..He should be in my mind for the last 8 years of a giant F-You to much of the World by the isolationists in charge here.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

hilarious

Should we apologize for being the greatest nation in the world, for liberty and freedom, and basically helping out any country when it asks for help? Should we apologize for liberating Europe in WWII? How about for pouring tons of money into African AIDS programs to educate and help the pandemic?

Whether or not we have made mistakes in the past, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go to every country and apologize for us. It makes us look weak to our enemies and to our allies. And it is very disrespectful to all 300 million living in the US and everyone who has ever fought for our freedom.

[quote=Antitrust32]lol I cant believe I'm arguing something that is so fucl<ing obvious. [quote]

Not to point out the obvious, but you are not "arguing" anything.

You're just repeating something over and over, and getting angry and swearing when asked what you are referring to.

I don't know Lori..when I make a mistake, I apoligize, no matter how great a guy I might be:confused: or what I've done for anyone, etc...same thing. It's not demeaning to say you're sorry, it's not a weakness..it's a strength.

Thus you'd think we'd be able to find a few concrete examples of Obama having done that.

I know, it's a strange concept for you to imagine ;)