What makes you think that he is going to be running against the same horses if he should pull another upset out of his ass?

What makes you think that he is going to be running against the same horses if he should pull another upset out of his ass?

explain to me how winning by 7 lengths and pulling away from the field is pulling an upset out of his a**?

you make a valid point , he could face fresh horses in the belmont - we'll see about that after round #2

Street Sense ran his last 6 furlongs in 1:12.79 as opposed to Mine That Bird going 1:12.95 but nice try. And if you really find the need to bring Secretariat into the discussion, well he ran his last 6 furlongs in 1:10.56.

The 2 probably favorites and (my opinion best horses) IWR & Quality Road scratch + post time favorite Fresian Fire not breaking clean and getting to the front +the track condition + an absolute tremendous ride on the best part of the track = Mine that Bird lighting up the toteboard. To use someone else's quote, "It was the Perfect Storm".

Post of the year!

pointman - can you post the last qtr for sec and mtb ? i would be curious to see what they are

when the gates opened all the horses had their chances , 1 fired 18 others did not - surely he must get credit for that

as for IWR and QR - we will never know

Dunkirk was right there against QR but could not be found in the derby

IWR got beat by POTN - 2 times - you going to tell me IWR was going to run the same figures he did at AQU on fast tracks on the muddy surface at CD?

Mine That Bird - 24.05
Secretariat - 23.20

thx scott - can you post some of the others?

ie

Sunday Silence
Thunder Gulch
Winning Colors

any of them that you can find?

True, but due to the economic climate, breeding is going to take a hit too. At some point, breeding to get a great 3 year old, which by most accounts is still not a fully developed (or peaked) horse, in order to then retire the three year old and repeat, seems a little ridiculous. If they actually raced longer into the horse's age, not necessarily more frequent, more speed and endurance potential might become evident.

OK, I'm letting my bias creep in as I don't like the early retirement mania in racing these days, but you get the point.

Does anybody else feel like this is day care and gales is the neediest kid in the class?

:D

All I have here are the last few years and Secretariat.

i'm just trying to catch up to da hoss in total post - gotta lotta work to do:D :D

Quality, young gales, is superior to quantity.

that's not what drugs told me:D :D

This question may have already been answered in these 7 pages of posts but has any jock ever won the TC without the same horse?
Did that make sense?

:zz:

Internet Marty and Live Marty are completely different. Live Marty is awesome, huge fan, but the Internet Marty has lost his mind

You know, I just have to come out and say this:

I heart punctuation.

Huge efforts? Huge can take on many different definitions. I think it's bs, too...

he's very correct... hung out with Marty lots @ the track and @ the golf course and we've chilled in Orlando... he's a great guy..

Its just the meth fumes from the apartment below getting to him.

Are they even asking Borel to stay on RA?? Borel never rides for those connections on other horses does he?

I'm the most conservative person in the world when it comes to giving horses time between races. I hate running horses back quickly. But in this case, I would definitely run Rachel in the Preakness. She was under a strangle-hold in the Oaks. She wasn't even close to being all out. She could have won by another 5-10 lengths if she was asked. As others have said, that race was like a workout for her.

In addition, the Preakness should be an easy race for her. I don't think there will be a horse in there that can come within 8 lengths of her. I think she will be able to win under a strangle-hold again. I would have no concerns about bringing her back in 15 days in this case.

I'll always wonder how many lengths she would have won this year's Derby by....

Perhaps by the same amount as that other noted Fairgrounds slop lover, Friesan Fire.

Borel
 

Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

In this case, I agree with you. RA's Oaks win wasn't much more than a workout. I don't think she will have any problem coming back in 15 dyas.

But in general, the harder and more often that horses run, the more likely it is that they will get hurt. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you had a really good horse and that horse never raced but instead just breezed 6 furlongs in 1:14 every 7 days, there is a good chance that the horse would never get hurt and would stay sound for years. It obviously would not make sense to do that. A horse can't make you any money by not racing. So you obviously need to run your horse, but you want to do evrything you can to keep them sound. If you run them too often, you have no chance of keeping them sound. You don't want to be greedy and kill the golden-goose.

Really , so what is your point.

not right away,because the money and hoopla around him will keep him on a natural high, but deep inside he know's doing this to people who seeked you out and trusted their plans in you, and to give up a TC bid? If RA wins preakness then so what, she is expected to and no big deal. What happens if she loses and MTD pulls it off, he will never live it down and will be know more for that mistake. A loss trying for TC is better than a win or loss on RA.

If you can't see my point he has more to lose giving up aTC bid than riding RA, what happens if MTB pulls it off? Borel will be a laughing stock, if he loses on MTB then people will say he keeps his word and can be counted on, imo it's a matter of principle.

I could make the exact opposite argument. He's been riding the filly all along. He's been on her for the past 6 months. He's ridden her 5 times. He picked up the mount on MTB at the last minute and he's ridden him only once. Why would CB have more loyalty to MTB than RA? RA has been his mount for 6 months. He should stick with RA.

da hoss when was the last time the derby winner didn't have his winning jock on him in the preakness?

How about if Mine that Bird wins the Preakness and Rachel doesn't run back in the Belmont. Would you consider riding Borel back in the Belmont or stick with the winning Preakness rider? Or try to really make a footnote in history and be the first TC winner with three different riders lol?

I read it was 1945 and Hoop Jr.

yeah why not go borel/pino/saymn - then MTB would have to go down as one of the best ever:D :D