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Danzig 05-06-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Exactly. Like signing Pacman jones then being shocked when he gets in trouble.


it just makes it difficult because the horses don't know who owns them. they just go out and give it their all. but it's hard, for me at least, to find complete satisfaction when seeing a good horse run when you have to see the characters in the winners circle after.
at least i've seen enough of rachel to know that she's good, damned good. but i hate seeing assman get a good one. to be rewarded for the way he's handled his career-it stinks.

freddymo 05-06-2009 06:39 PM

Ashado brought how much as a barren mare 8mil and this filly sold for 10mil I think she was cheap at 10 mil if 10mil can ever be cheap..

freddymo 05-06-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
it just makes it difficult because the horses don't know who owns them. they just go out and give it their all. but it's hard, for me at least, to find complete satisfaction when seeing a good horse run when you have to see the characters in the winners circle after.
at least i've seen enough of rachel to know that she's good, damned good. but i hate seeing assman get a good one. to be rewarded for the way he's handled his career-it stinks.


Success brings Success..Money follows money..Life's a big circle and every dog has his day..

KirisClown 05-06-2009 06:45 PM

She's the best filly since Ruffian, they could have held out and sold her for 3X the amount they got.

She'll now go on to win the Preakness, Belmont, Travers, Woodward, Jockey Club Gold Cup, BC Ladies Classic on Friday and finish up the year winning the BC Classic on Saturday...

Danzig 05-06-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Success brings Success..Money follows money..Life's a big circle and every dog has his day..

i understand all that. but the way certain people achieve their success is where i have a problem. the way others give them opportunities because of their mode of operation is another.

freddymo 05-06-2009 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
She's the best filly since Ruffian, they could have held out and sold her for 3X the amount they got.

She'll now go on to win the Preakness, Belmont, Travers, Woodward, Jockey Club Gold Cup, BC Ladies Classic on Friday and finish up the year winning the BC Classic on Saturday...

I think to accomplish the BC double will require some help from Richard Dutrow

Danzig 05-06-2009 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I think to accomplish the BC double will require some help from Richard Dutrow

not with assman in the house.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-06-2009 06:55 PM

If you eliminate Asmussen's early season 2yo's - his training stats are pretty mediocre overall in terms of the categories in which I focus.

He's not a magic guy .... and the vast majority of his horses seem to absolutely suck on turf and synthetic race tracks. His numbers on those two surfaces are embarassing.

I realize he's been caught cheating and everything ... but I'm not a results queen when it comes to that.

I'm more suspicous of the guys with mind-boggling numbers and relatively cleaner records.

freddymo 05-06-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
not with assman in the house.

The Golden Man still looks fresh a daisy in 7500 claimers

freddymo 05-06-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
If you eliminate Asmussen's early season 2yo's - his training stats are pretty mediocre overall in terms of the categories in which I focus.

He's not a magic guy .... and the vast majority of his horses seem to absolutely suck on turf and synthetic race tracks. His numbers on those two surfaces are embarassing.

I realize he's been caught cheating and everything ... but I'm not a results queen when it comes to that.

I'm more suspicous of the guys with mind-boggling numbers and relatively cleaner records.

They are clean until you hire them then they get busted.. BTW the filly is so friggin cute too bad she will most likely be a pig lol

Danzig 05-06-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
If you eliminate Asmussen's early season 2yo's - his training stats are pretty mediocre overall in terms of the categories in which I focus.

He's not a magic guy .... and the vast majority of his horses seem to absolutely suck on turf and synthetic race tracks. His numbers on those two surfaces are embarassing.

I realize he's been caught cheating and everything ... but I'm not a results queen when it comes to that.

I'm more suspicous of the guys with mind-boggling numbers and relatively cleaner records.

yeah, he doesn't seem to have that figured out at all-pretty interesting that someone can get results on one surface, but not another...but we're all supposed to treat the main track, dirt or not, as all being equal.

Left Bank 05-06-2009 07:14 PM

I put in an offer at 15 million,still haven't heard back,.I was thinking of giving her to Wooley for training.

Holland Hacker 05-06-2009 07:15 PM

I have two questions.

1. If the preakness fills without RA isn't she still on the outside looking in as she wasn't originally nominated to the TC?

2. Who will Borel ride?

I'm bummed as I was hoping to never have to look a Jess Jackson's Mugg again.

pgardn 05-06-2009 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I think its ASSMAN that people would be upset about... I mean... who really wants to see ASSMAN train any good horse??

Apparently a whole lot of owners.
He has a lot of smaller owners win stakes
at some track.
Sometimes it seems like he has a horse in
every stakes race
across the country.

Is there a trainer with more horses?
I think he might have twice a many horses
as the next(2nd on the list) mega trainer.

freddymo 05-06-2009 07:34 PM

It's good to hear that she is being bred to Curlin at least the chemicals will be in balance...Imagine the foal is going to be born dependant on EPO, Arm and Hammer, and Clen..

tiggerv 05-06-2009 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought Jess Jackson did everything perfectly from a fan perspective. We wanted to see Curlin as a 4YO- he did it. We wanted to see him try turf- he did it. We wanted to see him go back to dirt- he did it. We wanted to see him in the BC Classic- he did it. Why is Jess Jackson buying Rachel Alexandra so bad, especially if he's gonna do exactly what MOST racing fans want, to run her against males?

NT

Well put. I don't get the outrage over this. The old connections made out :$:, she is going to race against the boys, and we get hilarious Jess Jackson quotes for the next year. What is not to like?

Danzig 05-06-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
Well put. I don't get the outrage over this. The old connections made out :$:, she is going to race against the boys, and we get hilarious Jess Jackson quotes for the next year. What is not to like?


what outrage? the only real negative comments i saw were about the potential next trainer. everyone pretty much conceded they'd sell if given the chance.

tiggerv 05-06-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
what outrage? the only real negative comments i saw were about the potential next trainer. everyone pretty much conceded they'd sell if given the chance.

You must have missed Steve's show.

BTW that 2nd period was brutal.

MaTH716 05-06-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
He has a chance at immortality though. I guess both choices have their consequences.

If it rains and Mine That Bird wins without Borel on board...he might regret it for the rest of his life.

He has a better chance of immortality riding her then he does riding MTB. There is a chance that (especially if she comes back at 4) she will be reguarded as one of the great ones of all time. As opposed to staying on MTB for the Preakness, finishing up the track and then being remembered as the jockey who gave the best ride to the worst horse ever to win the derby.
Does anyone really think this horse has any type of chance of winning the Triple Crown? Obviously my vote is for him to stay with the filly.

gales0678 05-06-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Holland Hacker
I have two questions.

1. If the preakness fills without RA isn't she still on the outside looking in as she wasn't originally nominated to the TC?

2. Who will Borel ride?

I'm bummed as I was hoping to never have to look a Jess Jackson's Mugg again.

my guess is Borel will stick with MTB and Robbie Albarado will get to ride RA if she goes

freddymo 05-06-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
my guess is Borel will stick with MTB and Robbie Albarado will get to ride RA if she goes

If given the oppportunity Borel will choose Rachel the gelding is a frog and he knows it

MaTH716 05-06-2009 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
my guess is Borel will stick with MTB and Robbie Albarado will get to ride RA if she goes

They better hope that check clears before Robbie gets aboard her.

gales0678 05-06-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
If given the oppportunity Borel will choose Rachel the gelding is a frog and he knows it


that maybe the case , but, sometimes in life we don't get opportunities

gales0678 05-06-2009 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Are you saying Borel will choose to ride MTB over Rachel, or that the new connections are going to replace him?

i will say that if she goes in the preakness Borel will not be on her

freddymo 05-06-2009 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That is not what I asked. You are implying that he'll choose MTB over her, which is crazy....even for you. There is no doubt it's possible her new connections will go in a different direction. But I have a hard time believing that 2 weeks after calling Rachel the best horse he's ever ridden, that he will willingly get off of her.

ya think even that troothless pinhead knows which horse is the fastest

gales0678 05-06-2009 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
that maybe the case , but, sometimes in life we don't get opportunities


da hoss read above please

freddymo 05-06-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
da hoss read above please

12 step programs are available in most locations

gales0678 05-06-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
ya think even that troothless pinhead knows which horse is the fastest


da hoss is much faster than you freddy in fact he don't even have to go to the whip

freddymo 05-06-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
da hoss is much faster than you freddy in fact he don't even have to go to the whip

I know Whip and You are no whip right Hoss?

The Indomitable DrugS 05-06-2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I know Whip and You are no whip right Hoss?

I'd say it's a good chance Gales could be WHIP under a different handle for this baord.

Sightseek 05-06-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Maybe I'm in the minority but I thought Jess Jackson did everything perfectly from a fan perspective. We wanted to see Curlin as a 4YO- he did it. We wanted to see him try turf- he did it. We wanted to see him go back to dirt- he did it. We wanted to see him in the BC Classic- he did it. Why is Jess Jackson buying Rachel Alexandra so bad, especially if he's gonna do exactly what MOST racing fans want, to run her against males?

NT

I agree...

chucklestheclown 05-06-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
I agree...

I agree also. What did Jackson do besides make bad, overpriced wine?

“We are tremendously excited by the prospect of one day seeing the offspring of Curlin and Rachel Alexandra,” said Jackson. “But for now, the story of this filly is still being written. My four daughters and granddaughter will be delighted this super filly will race in our colors.”

I think he truly does want to see her race. As to Bo-rail, I don't think he'll initially lose the mount because the PR would be too bad. And that is why I'd bet Mine that Bird scratches out of whatever race she goes in.

Danzig 05-06-2009 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
You must have missed Steve's show.

BTW that 2nd period was brutal.


i did. work's been brutal, so not much in the way of extra-curricular. tonite is the first in this series i've seen the opening faceoff.
1:50 left in the third...backstrom! lol so much for going to bed early to catch up on some sleep.

MaTH716 05-06-2009 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i did. work's been brutal, so not much in the way of extra-curricular. tonite is the first in this series i've seen the opening faceoff.
1:50 left in the third...backstrom! lol so much for going to bed early to catch up on some sleep.

Just a terrible penalty to take there by Dupuis.
Sorry didn't mean to hijack to thread.
Back to why Gales thinks Borel will ride Mine that Bird.

Danzig 05-06-2009 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Just a terrible penalty to take there by Dupuis.
Sorry didn't mean to hijack to thread.
Back to why Gales thinks Borel will ride Mine that Bird.




it happens...it was almost as bad as malkin on the trip in game 2. pengooins have to be getting disheartened that they can't put the caps away at home. varlamov has been otherworldly.


i want to know why he's so sure borel won't get the mount if she's in the preakness. they fit together-why eff it up?

Danzig 05-06-2009 08:56 PM

omgpothieryouidiot

docicu3 05-06-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
it happens...it was almost as bad as malkin on the trip in game 2. pengooins have to be getting disheartened that they can't put the caps away at home. varlamov has been otherworldly.


i want to know why he's so sure borel won't get the mount if she's in the preakness. they fit together-why eff it up?

Has a Derby winning jock ever opted off the horse he won the Derby with to ride another in either the Belmont or the Preakness?

Caps haven't been able to buy a call .......DAMN ITS OVER.


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