Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

At first, I thought that your hypothesis was pretty good but the more I think about it, it really shouldn't make a difference what surface the horses are trained on. Horses usually either like a surface or they don't like a surface. They don't usually take time to adjust to a new surface. For example, you see horses run on the turf who have never had a single workout on the turf, yet these horses win all the time. It's not as if they run better in their second start on the turf. If they like it, they usally run good on it the first time. They don't need time to get used to it.

If horsess can train exclusively on the dirt and then run well when they race on the grass, I don't see why horses that train exclusively on polytrack would have a problem racing on regular dirt.

Originally Posted by alysheba4

although its difficult to move my 6-2 250 lb body on either surface......... i must say the treadmill is way easier for me.

Originally Posted by alysheba4

although its difficult to move my 6-2 250 lb body on either surface......... i must say the treadmill is way easier for me.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This 5'4", 115lb'er finds treadmills easier, too. I get very knee sore running on pavement. I guess I wouldn't be suited to the California racetracks... or maybe I just have soundness issues.:)

Maybe the treadmill is easier for me because I can run on a slight incline, which seems to put less stress on my knees.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

5'4 and 115--geez. That is one tiny person.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Rup,
different muscle groups are used to negotiate different surfaces.

Originally Posted by boldruler

This is comical.

Some of the great grass horses don't ever even see the turf except when they race on it.

Please explain the dirt to turf angle and the turf to dirt angle. I guess those different muscles magically reappear. LOL.

Originally Posted by boldruler

This is comical.

Some of the great grass horses don't ever even see the turf except when they race on it.

Please explain the dirt to turf angle and the turf to dirt angle. I guess those different muscles magically reappear. LOL.

Originally Posted by boldruler

This is comical.

Some of the great grass horses don't ever even see the turf except when they race on it.

Please explain the dirt to turf angle and the turf to dirt angle. I guess those different muscles magically reappear. LOL.

Originally Posted by Damascus '67

Do you and Nostradamus do it on the turf or dirt, or do you two have a dirt to turf angle???

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Why do you think most turf horses have a higher leg kick than dirt horses?

Originally Posted by boldruler

Dude, you need to work on your material. Try something better, please.

As for you, do you get on all fours or just your knees for Oracle? :eek:

Originally Posted by Damascus '67

Well, which one are you? I'm easily confused. Dude???

Don't know where that Oracle comment came from...don't know the man.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Watch how many races are won on the dirt from the front and then watch how many races are won on the dirt from coming behind.

Originally Posted by Scav

Again, you exhibit your comediness. One of the reasons turf racing is won from the back is because there are no kickup. Dirt racing is won from the front partially because of all the kickup that happens from the horse in front.

How would you feel if you had dirt flying in your face for two minutes straight?

Originally Posted by boldruler

You can't really be that dumb, can you?

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Yeah, and 115 is on the heavy side for me-- you'd think I wasn't slapping down enough weight on my knees to make them hurt, huh?

On the bright side, it means I can ride anything at the riding stables-- no weight limits for me.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I wouldnt advertise on this board that you can "ride" anything. People like Kev would be camping out in the stable.

Originally Posted by Scav

Again, you exhibit your comediness. One of the reasons turf racing is won from the back is because there are no kickup. Dirt racing is won from the front partially because of all the kickup that happens from the horse in front.

How would you feel if you had dirt flying in your face for two minutes straight?

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I think it has to do more with the horses stride(high action) and the horses hoof, big hooves are better for turf racing...

Originally Posted by boldruler

BINGO. The dirt in the face though was a cute story though.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Hmmm. Trust the opinion of a salty handicapper or a guy who is into horses because of a horse he liked four months ago. Tough choice.

Originally Posted by Scav

I said partially as in it could be a reason

Originally Posted by boldruler

You might even be less intelligent than the other guy. Salty handicappers usually know nothing about horses, just gambling. Big difference.

A horse he like four months ago? My family has been involved longer than you have probably been alive.

Originally Posted by Damascus '67

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How is anyone supposed to believe anything you say? You've been BSing this board ever since its inception.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this boldruler character admit at one point that he's only been interested in horse racing for a matter of months? I'll admit if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by boldruler

That is one of our newbies. Not Jonesy.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Um, come again?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Rup,
different muscle groups are used to negotiate different surfaces.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I have heard that too. I think it's Michael Dickinson who will actually switches off every other day and gallops his horses on the turf one day and the dirt the next day. I think he believes that one surface strengthens the tendons and ligaments while the other surface strengthens the muscles or something like that.

Even assuming that is true, we know that turf horses don't need to train on the turf to run well on the turf. I don't know if the same would hold true the opposite way. This would never happen but I wonder if a horse who only trained on the grass would still run well his first time on the dirt.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I wouldnt advertise on this board that you can "ride" anything. People like Kev would be camping out in the stable.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I have heard that too. I think it's Michael Dickinson who will actually switches off every other day and gallops his horses on the turf one day and the dirt the next day. I think he believes that one surface strengthens the tendons and ligaments while the other surface strengthens the muscles or something like that.

Even assuming that is true, we know that turf horses don't need to train on the turf to run well on the turf. I don't know if the same would hold true the opposite way. This would never happen but I wonder if a horse who only trained on the grass would still run well his first time on the dirt.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Ask Giant's Causeway.

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I once heard Dickinson say that instead of breaking down a horse by training it on dirt, he strengthens them, by training on Turf. If horse physiology is anything similar to human physiology, you have to break down muscle to make it stronger. That statement didn't make much sense to me...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Didn't he mean breaking down a horse as in not having them "break down?"

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I once heard Dickinson say that instead of breaking down a horse by training it on dirt, he strengthens them, by training on Turf. If horse physiology is anything similar to human physiology, you have to break down muscle to make it stronger. That statement didn't make much sense to me...