yay! :tro:

I don't.

Ask them.

That's why I won't call myself pro-abortion but pro-choice. It's the woman carrying the baby that has sole choice to end the pregnancy not the drunk driver. Where the slope gets slippery IMO is when the mother is a drunk and seemingly has made the choice to have the baby but also made the choice to drink/do drugs that either killed or damaged the baby. Not sure about what to do in that case. Murder v. Manslughter v. Child Abuse?

Only anti-choice people use the term "pro-abortion."

Nobody is "pro-abortion," because it's a tough experience for a lot of people. And people who are pro-choice respect that and respect women enough to make their own reproductive decisions.

Just an FYI, because the term "pro-abortion" is a big red flag, even though I know you didn't mean it to be one here.

I think that should be a murder and a child abuse charge. Women in this day of age fully know what the harm of doing drugs while pregnant are.

Here is more of my laws if I was dictator (B-dub would HATE me)

If you do any drugs/ smoke cigs / smoke pot / drink booze while pregnant you get arrested on Child Abuse and you cannot keep your baby. If the baby dies as a result it would be a murder charge also.

Abortion will be legal.. but to punish women who take advantage of abortion by being sluts and not caring.. just get the baby aborted... I would make the cost of your first abortion be $2,000. Cost of 2nd abortion, $4,000.. 3rd abortion will be $8,000 and so on. I guess it would be impossible to enforce this law. Free abortion in the case of rape/incest.

If you rape someone or molest children.. get your balls and dick chopped off.

Public hangings for convicted 1st degree murderers... I think that would be effective in keeping people from committing premedidated murder.

Gay marriage is legal & pot is legal.


I dont know if anyone would vote for me.

Some women do not deserve that respect and the docs should tie tubes after their first abortion (please note I said SOME women, not all... but like 1% of them)

Ok, philosophical question for you then -- if abortion should be legal, then you'd likely be of the mind that it's not really a person per se when it's aborted....so why would you care if women had three? Or six? Or ten, if she clearly has no emotional issue with doing so?

I dont know when it's a person. I know when they grow for awhile in the womb, on the ultrasound they sure look like a person, heart beats like a person, makes faces like a person, kicks like a person, etc.

I think only 1st term abortions should be legal. This is a tough subject. I personally feel that there is no way I could have an abortion if somehow I got knocked up. Though I'm sure there are religious wacko's out there who would say I am having theoretical abortions by not sleeping with men.

With that said, there are though situations that occur everyday, to women all over the world, where an abortion may be the best answer for them. (raped, way too young, just not ready and have no money & no partner, etc.). I do not feel that I can judge those women for those hard decisions that they have to make. I am all for choice.

BUT.. I cannot respect women who abuse abortion and use it as a means of birthcontrol, because they are two lazy to use condoms, the pill, or keep their damn legs closed. I think it is disgusting and immoral and I think it should be illegal in that regard. Upping the cost for the abortions in this case would most likely lessen the problem (are the sluts gonna get prego's when they know its gonna cost them $32,000 to get an abortion??), and still be there for people who have legit reasons to have an abortion.

I agree with most of your laws if you are dictator ,except I would have men installed with a pellet or chip of some sort that makes them sterile until over the age of 21 , that way it wouldnt be always all the womans responsibilty to make sure she doesnt get preggo. At the age of 21 the chip could be removed if they so chose or they could keep it in until they found someone they wanted to have a baby with. Because it isnt always the woman who is being the slut , men are whores more often than women , usually its harder to get them to look for something in a womans purse , than it is for them to put their d ick in someone lol.

Of course they would. What's not to like about a moody dyke?

Again, what's not to like about a moody dyke?

Fair. Completely.

Just like my anti-death penalty stance, my pro-choice stance is absolute as well. It's each woman's choice. I may not agree with all the choices a woman may make, but to me, that's what being pro-choice is...that it doesn't have to be the choice I would make in that situation or even a choice I like, but that it was HER choice.

To me, that's what being pro-choice is all about. It's not always as easy as the slogan would make it sound. While I would never ever have 19 kids or however many that family I think is absolutely CRAZY has, but I respect that it's their choice...even if I think they're crazy for doing it and even though I think it gives their kids worse lives than they could have had without living in a boot camp for a home.

I know so many men who would love to have a chip like that!!!

sence you have no idea how many interdictions have been stopped .how can you say what is credible and what is not.but you are a dt staff member..i think the bob fox stuff on atr is worse than waterboarding..but thats just me

even other gay people wouldnt vote for a conservative lesbian.

octo-satan..

Pehaps personally you think it is or may be a person but realize someone else, in this case the mother, may feel differently and respect her choice more than your own feelings/beliefs and realize that her ultimate decision has nothing to do with you.

I'd try and get a fake ID

It sure doesn't help. How can I complain about the barbaric things they do in Islamic countries, and then say nothing when our government does some of the same?

I'm not so sure I understand this. Brian already said he repects a womans choice, no matter what her choice is, an he respects her choice even if he disagree's with her decison.

Not moody , realistic is more like it , just think of all the money ,time and grief that would be saved. :)

He was trying to say if you are pro-choice you must believe like he that the unborn fetus is just a mass of cells and thus you'd have no problem with 6 vs. 1 abortion. I'm saying some in fact more than some people believe it's her right to choose but also believe that choice is the lessor of two evils to be avoided in the future. The other side would say an abortion is little more than taking a big crap philosophically. He really isn't very malleable.

or her anatomy?

thank you for clearing that up.. and I agree... and I'm sure Brian agree's also. There are probably many different ways of being pro choice.

I'm not sure Brian is into a womans anatomy.

I agree totally that there are people like that out there, but was just wondering where Lori stood.

I'm indifferent about lots of things in life, but I'm completely serious and not capable of being moved when it comes to the death penalty, choice, and gay rights.

For me, everything else has at least some grey areas to think about and discuss.

Completely. I was just pointing out where I stood. I am far more pro-choice than most pro-choicers, and that doesn't really have anything to do with how much I may love/not love abortion itself or exactly where along the lines in a pregnancy I think it becomes increasingly problematic to not consider it a a capable human being. It's just about how seriously pro-choice I am, regardless of how much I agree with those choices.

Back to the original subject
 

Anyone want to bet these memos don't get released?

Cheney Calls For More CIA Reports To Be Declassified
Mon Apr 20 2009 16:20:53 ET

In a two part interview airing tonight and tomorrow night on FOX News Channel’s Hannity (9-10PM ET), former Vice President Dick Cheney shared his thoughts on the CIA memos that were recently declassified and also revealed his request to the CIA to declassify additional memos that confirm the success of the Bush administration’s interrogation tactics:

CHENEY:

“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified.”

“I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven't announced this up until now, I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.”

“And I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.”

Developing...

You have my vote:tro:
though I think "Running Man" style show would be more entertaining than hangings.

Please be serious. Apples and oranges.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...nterrogations/

Will you believe that the "torture" was helpful to our country if the Obama national intelligence director says so??

Already cleared this up.

true

Though, he also said "The information gained from these techniques was valuable in some instances, but there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means."

Implicit in that statement is that we may have jumped right to it, straight to torture, without even trying anything else.

What happened happened, but it doesn't mean we have to keep doing it. If it was all so sweet and wonderful, why is it that interrogation tapes were intentionally destroyed? If it was so wonderful and productive, shouldn't those tapes have made great training material...since they were legal techniques being used and all?

That's admittedly mild conjecture on my part, but it's not really that tough to logically connect the dots. If everything was legal, then there'd be nothing to hide. And if it was both legal and productive, you KNOW they'd have been singing it from the rooftops and using it to teach other people how to do it.

Just thinking out loud. Can't know everything, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to come to that conclusion, and it doesn't take a "typical liberal," either. Just some common sense that people don't destroy things like that if there's nothing to hide.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us...ml?_r=1&ref=us

interesting history of the haphazard manner we came to embrace water boarding after previously prosecuting it as a war crime.

It's one thing to separate people from others, AND IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING TO TORTURE THEM. I think they were correct in doing it here during WW2. It should of been done in a way that made sure none of the Japanese Americans lost any property or valuables etc., but I think that's an example of a necessary evil done to protect a nation at war. Yea, we kept some citizens from being able to roam freely for a couple years. Big deal. Torturing people without even a trial? That's gunna keep us from ever electing a Texan for president again. That's was the last fkn Hee Haw in charge..ever!

Add a guy from Wyoming- Cheney
and a guy from Illinois - Rumsfeld

Doubt Bush stumbled on to this without their input.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/bu...torture&st=cse

just an article about how the debate was framed. interesting how so many of the arguments heard here in support of torture mirror the misinformation spread in this single interview.

No more messes from Texas. :rolleyes:

Hey, they said that after LBJ also and his Great Society.
And along comes the Bush family infiltrating the NE to Florida,
to Texas.

If our current Governor runs for anything on the federal level
I will allow myself to be waterboarded for charity.

Last week, Sean Hannity, a conservative Fox News host, said he would agree to be waterboarded (for charity) when a guest proposed that he experience it.

And then I want to waterboard Sean Hannity.

The 1st thing only took place because JFK had his brains blown out. What ya gunna do? Elect Goldwater? The younger Bush got a half mil less votes than Gore. In 2004, Kearry was more boring in speeches than my mom is on the phone. My mom still thinks my Dad can't figure out his hearing-aid settings (he chooses not to.)